Originally posted by Rorschach
I can say the same about Dragonball episodes or volumes."Somethings just shouldn't happen in the manga"
"Like what?"
"Like Gohan beating Cell!"
"Gohan became stronger."
"But before he was weaker and we all know that things that happened before is how things should always be! And characters don't become stronger or faster at all and their powers don't change!"
*Insert more bullshit here*
thats why i ended my post saying that you did a good job posting that. It was a good post that i can argue against. Again great job on your post.
Originally posted by carver9Because they were written by people like you, phenomonol etc... They're not canon.
Answer this for me. Why have writers wrote battles with superman losing against dragonball characters. I know that all the battles was done in wizard but still writers that know each individuals capability ends the battle with superman losing badly.
I've seen fanfics where Goku loses horribly to Superman.
And seriously this is more pure unadulterated fanboy bullshit.
Why do we think that Superman would win? Can you answer me that? Why do my answers differe from yours?
Originally posted by playa1258
Goku had trouble stopping that mountain. Superman would have picked up that moutain and chucked it.
Yep he did have trouble stopping that mountain that also was being pushed by tp from frieza during the time. So goku had to stop a mountain that was coming at him with power backed from a powerful telepath.
HMMM. 🙁
Just like when the jla crossed over and fought the xmen. Superman was fight jean grey and couldnt circle around her tp. She had him on a stand still.
😮
Frieza tp>>jean grey tp.
Frieza manhandling goku with tp>>>>>>Jean grey manhandling superman with tp
Originally posted by carver9
Answer this for me. Why have writers wrote battles with superman losing against dragonball characters. I know that all the battles was done in wizard but still writers that know each individuals capability ends the battle with superman losing badly.The 1st battle i seen was superman vs krillin and he lost wizard # 75.
The 2nd battle that they made was the jla vs nappa and vegeta ending with the entire team getting crushed.
The 3rd and most famous battle was superman vs goku and goku simply destroyed superman.
Why are your answers different from writers and creshok why are you bringing up goku failing to lift a bus well two reasons that that could have happened was because he wasnt even powered up. Well since you brought that up i would love to bring up superman getting thrashed by venom and superman had the aid of spiderman and still got thrashed ending with venom having superman in the choke hold. Or i can just bring up spiderman beating the hell out of superman (even though he had red sunlight, superman still had his speed.). Or i can use wonderwoman almost killing superman, ending with her slice his throat with her tiara.
Never even seen the first two in Wizard but the whole Gokou vs Superman fight was pure crap. There is a reason it's not used or even talked about. Gokou is fighting in space, and he's listening to Babidi about something he should know is wrong also. And Wizard was still wrote by fans and who they think would win.
Marvel vs DC is just plain crap writing in general and Red sunlight drains Superman of his speed also not just his strength. Batman took out the Hulk in a crossover so Batman > Hulk, Superman, Spiderman, and Venom?
Wonder Woman is nearly Superman's equal bad example.
Originally posted by carver9
Answer this for me. Why have writers wrote battles with superman losing against dragonball characters. I know that all the battles was done in wizard but still writers that know each individuals capability ends the battle with superman losing badly.The 1st battle i seen was superman vs krillin and he lost wizard # 75.
The 2nd battle that they made was the jla vs nappa and vegeta ending with the entire team getting crushed.
The 3rd and most famous battle was superman vs goku and goku simply destroyed superman.
Why are your answers different from writers and creshok why are you bringing up goku failing to lift a bus well two reasons that that could have happened was because he wasnt even powered up. Well since you brought that up i would love to bring up superman getting thrashed by venom and superman had the aid of spiderman and still got thrashed ending with venom having superman in the choke hold. Or i can just bring up spiderman beating the hell out of superman (even though he had red sunlight, superman still had his speed.). Or i can use wonderwoman almost killing superman, ending with her slice his throat with her tiara.
Those battles were written by the writers of Wizard Magazine. Not comic book writers.
Did you know there’s a writer that doesn’t think Count Neferia is probably not as strong as Superman? Did you know that several writers have said Superman would beat Thor in a fight and one of them actually suggested that Superman is more versatile (something I don’t agree with). There’s also a writer that says Superman is unbeatable and has no limits whatsoever, he even said Superman could defeat Galactus and Juggernaut and said that Darkseid would never beat Superman.
On-Panel showing> Interviews
Venom VS Superman isn’t cannon, neither is Superman VS Spider-Man. You claim to know to know what cannon means but it’s obvious you don’t if you continue to use non cannon sources, which is actually against the rules here. Hell, in JLA/Avengers Superman beat Thor, and in Marvel VS DC, Superman hurt Juggernaut. But those don’t count since they’re non-cannon comics.
Wonder Woman didn’t almost kill Superman. She sliced his throat to slow him down because she knew she couldn’t beat him. Superman healed on his own after that, he wasn’t really bothered by the wound when he was telling Wonder Woman how pissed off he was about her killing Max Lord.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Because they were written by people like you, phenomonol etc... They're not canon.I've seen fanfics where Goku loses horribly to Superman.
And seriously this is more pure unadulterated fanboy bullshit.
Why do we think that Superman would win? Can you answer me that? Why do my answers differe from yours?
because its your opinion and i cant believe that you just said that WRITERS wrote superman losing because they are fans of dragonball. Omg thats a lame excuse. Superman lost because he didnt have the power or speed to put a z fighter down. He got owned by krillin. I guess when wizard made that fight with hulk vs doomsday and they had doomsday win, it was because they were a fan of doomsday. I guess when they had the wolverine writer vote on who would win out of wolverine and superman and the writer said that superman has many way of killing wolverine, that they were a superman fan.
Make up a better excuse please. They had a superman vs hulk fight and superman won also. I guess theyre superman fans. Nope, they said that superman won because he has the hulk powers plus more, thats why he won.
Originally posted by carver9
Yep he did have trouble stopping that mountain that also was being pushed by tp from frieza during the time. So goku had to stop a mountain that was coming at him with power backed from a powerful telepath.HMMM. 🙁
Just like when the jla crossed over and fought the xmen. Superman was fight jean grey and couldnt circle around her tp. She had him on a stand still.
😮Frieza tp>>jean grey tp.
Frieza manhandling goku with tp>>>>>>Jean grey manhandling superman with tp
Once again you're using non-cannon sources.
Originally posted by carver9
They had a superman vs hulk fight and superman won also. I guess theyre superman fans. Nope, they said that superman won because he has the hulk powers plus more, thats why he won.
Non-Cannon. And Superman beat Hulk in Marvel VS DC because more people voted for him to win.
Originally posted by Rorschach
Those battles were written by the writers of Wizard Magazine. Not comic book writers.Did you know there’s a writer that doesn’t think Count Neferia is probably not as strong as Superman? Did you know that several writers have said Superman would beat Thor in a fight and one of them actually suggested that Superman is more versatile (something I don’t agree with). There’s also a writer that says Superman is unbeatable and has no limits whatsoever, he even said Superman could defeat Galactus and Juggernaut and said that Darkseid would never beat Superman.
On-Panel showing> Interviews
Venom VS Superman isn’t cannon, neither is Superman VS Spider-Man. You claim to know to know what cannon means but it’s obvious you don’t if you continue to use non cannon sources, which is actually against the rules here. Hell, in JLA/Avengers Superman beat Thor, and in Marvel VS DC, Superman hurt Juggernaut. But those don’t count since they’re non-cannon comics.
Wonder Woman didn’t almost kill Superman. She sliced his throat to slow him down because she knew she couldn’t beat him. Superman healed on his own after that, he wasn’t really bothered by the wound when he was telling Wonder Woman how pissed off he was about her killing Max Lord.
Im not saying that anything that i said about superman getting owned was cannon. Im using them because creshok keep bring up the bus incident which was a bad showing for goku. I guess you didnt see the reason behind my post. 🙁
Wonderwoman could have killed superman, she even said so herself saying that she didnt come there to kill him, just to slow him down. She said that she was holding back against an enraged superman.
Im not saying that the wizard magazine is 100% accurate but the battles did happen and superman did get mud stomped in them. If it was visca versa, i bet you all would have brought it up.
Originally posted by carver9
Im not saying that anything that i said about superman getting owned was cannon. Im using them because creshok keep bring up the bus incident which was a bad showing for goku. I guess you didnt see the reason behind my post. 🙁
The bus instance isn’t cannon because it was a filler scene only found in the manga. But you insisted on using the anime instead of the manga. If you're using the anime then Goku struggling to lift a bus is cannon.
Originally posted by carver9
Wonderwoman could have killed superman, she even said so herself saying that she didnt come there to kill him, just to slow him down. She said that she was holding back against and enraged superman.
She didn't say she could kill him. She was getting the shit beaten out of her. When she attempted to use Knite she got punched back into Earth. She had to use some birds to distract Superman while she went to Max Lord, and she also said that Superman was making her suffer before he would kill her.
Originally posted by carver9
Im not saying that the wizard magazine is 100% accurate but the battles did happen and superman did get mud stomped in them. If it was visca versa, i bet you all would have brought it up.
I don't bring up bullshit from interviews and try to use it to prove a character can beat another character, unless that interview is just clarifying a feat that happened in a comic.
Originally posted by carver9
Im not saying that anything that i said about superman getting owned was cannon. Im using them because creshok keep bring up the bus incident which was a bad showing for goku. I guess you didnt see the reason behind my post. 🙁Im not saying that the wizard magazine is 100% accurate but the battles did happen and superman did get mud stomped in them. If it was visca versa, i bet you all would have brought it up.
Nobody brings up Marvel vs DC to say Superman can beat Hulk. Nobody brings up Marvel vs DC to say Quicksilver could keep up with Flash. Nobody should bring up Marve vs DC to say Logan can beat Lobo though people do. Wizard shouldn't be brought up in a fight either.
Wizard is full of shit. Just take a look at their top 10 heroes list.
http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10List.htm
Superman, WW, and Flash ranked better than Dr. Strange?
Superman and WW ranked better than the Flash?
Yeah, these guys sure know a hell of a lot about comics. They didn't even mention Orion, Green Lantern, etc.
Originally posted by Kento
The bus thing is most likely because if the Anime is canon than it's canon while the only canon crossover in comics is JLA/Avengers. Superman getting beat by Spidey or Venom are not canon and can't be used while if the anime is canon that bus thing can be used though it wouldn't really be accurate thing like Superman getting koed by a exploding gas station.Nobody brings up Marvel vs DC to say Superman can beat Hulk. Nobody brings up Marvel vs DC to say Quicksilver could keep up with Flash. Nobody should bring up Marve vs DC to say Logan can beat Lobo though people do. Wizard shouldn't be brought up in a fight either.
Good point but i know that superman can beat venom and i know that superman can beat spiderman. I know that superman can survive an exploding gas station. I also know that goku can lift a bus since he moved far bigger things in the regular dragonball series.
Again, as long as creshok bring up low end feats Im going to bring up some for superman. Ok, well i have a cannonb one for ya. What about black canary knocking superman a couple of feat back with her sonic scream leaving him disoriented. She hurt him with a feeble scream. Is that better.