Originally posted by Rorschach
I know Superman punched someone out of orbit because that character said he was out of orbit and you could clearly see that the character was off the planet. He hit the character hard enough to send out of orbit, and that's pretty strong punch.I know Goku is fast, it's just not stated how fast he's moving in that video.
Originally posted by carver9http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg
They do disappear and reappear but i have never seen blast go directly through them.
Originally posted by carver9
I have never seen them stand there while fists are going through there body like they were a ghost.
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Originally posted by carver9
I have never seen them dodge a 1000 punches coming at them like it was nothing.
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Originally posted by carver9
Thats the difference.
😐yawn
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Essentally my point
You can clearly see he is out of orbit
you know he was strong enough to punch him out of orbit. But how strong was the punch? He didnt state the exact PSI. Obviously, asking for that is rediculous
In the same token that asking for an exact number on how fast goku is going when he zips accross like lightning is equally rediculous.
Not really.
We know that Superman can hit someone with enough strength to send them out or orbit.
We know Goku can move very fast but we don’t know exactly how fast. He's fast enough to make the Ginyu Force look like punks but we don't know exactly how fast to compare it to other speed feats.
Strength and speed are different things.
Originally posted by Rorschach
Frieza said it was 5 minutes. But that seems hihgly unlikely since before the planet blew up, All the Namek were resurrected, Vegeta talked to SSJ Goku, Dende wished for everyone on Namek except for Goku and Frieza to be telported to Earth. The main reason the fight dragged on for so long was because of all the standing around and screaming.
didnt freeza say the planet would blow up in 5 min. but after 5 min it actually didnt go boom coz his attact just went through the core or something? which gave them a little more time to chit chat? not really sure, ill have to re watch that episode.
on the fight, though i think that cell is more powerfull than superman (not stronger, just more powerful with all of his ki attacks and stuff). superman would win. i see the fight as going like this
cell: looks at superman and feels his ki....hmmm very low ki (or none at all coz superman's strength is not ki based). you? fight me? ahahahahaha!!!! and decides to let his guard down
superman: rushes cell and punches him to the sun...
cell: awwwwwwww...nooooooooooo!!!!!! howwwwwww!!!! and burns to a crisp
😆
hontestly, dbz people are so full of themselves that they almost always let thier guard down when they don't feel any ki from their oponents.
Originally posted by carver9can i get a scan of the Doomsday vs. Supes fight where Supes was getting into DDs head?
They do disappear and reappear but i have never seen blast go directly through them. I have never seen them stand there while fists are going through there body like they were a ghost. I have never seen them dodge a 1000 punches coming at them like it was nothing.Thats the difference.
i mean that will pretty much put this to bed.
edit: it was posted like 5 times before i saw it. 😐
Originally posted by Creshosk
Was that supposed to be impressive? That was a lame music video.
Wow, against a brick. You do know that doomsday havent had a nice speed display since the time he killed superman. Doomsday aint nothing but a brick. Damn, batman killed a ton of doomsday clone with a ax. I want to see combat speed like dragonball z. That wasnt close to the level of combat speed that i just showed you and i can only think of twice where superman has ever accomplished anything close to combat speed, the other was when he was fighting mongul.
Can you show me superman doing a 1000 punches per second then winking out doing a 1000 more punches, winking out making exploding noises all around the sky, in every direction.
You all keep showing me these lame scans that aint nothing that goku as a child didnt do. I guess i have to bring some regular dragonball scans.
Originally posted by Creshosk
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Is the picture of Supes "phasing" supppose to be high end... Goku does that all the time. He could do it as a child.
Originally posted by Rorschach
Not really.We know that Superman can hit someone with enough strength to send them out or orbit.
We know Goku can move very fast but we don’t know exactly how fast. He's fast enough to make the Ginyu Force look like punks but we don't know exactly how fast to compare it to other speed feats.
Strength and speed are different things.
Likewise, we know that goku can move incredibly fast, enough to display a feat similar to that of superman (the ghost thing), as well as the lightning bolt insident. We dont know exactly how strong superman is, we dont know exactly how fast goku is.
Yes, Speed and strength are different things -- both can be gauged.
Originally posted by carver9show you exploding noises in a comic book? 😐
Wow, against a brick. You do know that doomsday havent had a nice speed display since the time he killed superman. Doomsday aint nothing but a brick. Damn, batman killed a ton of doomsday clone with a ax. I want to see combat speed like dragonball z. That wasnt close to the level of combat speed that i just showed you and i can only think of twice where superman has ever accomplished anything close to combat speed, the other was when he was fighting mongul.Can you show me superman doing a 1000 punches per second then winking out doing a 1000 more punches, winking out making exploding noises all around the sky, in every direction.
You all keep showing me these lame scans that aint nothing that goku as a child didnt do. I guess i have to bring some regular dragonball scans.
and it doesn't matter if DD is a brick, the fact is you asked for evidence and it was shown, when you given just about no evidence....other then some videos of them "blinking in and out"
Originally posted by SeerQris
Is the picture of Supes "phasing" supppose to be high end... Goku does that all the time. He could do it as a child.
Thats the thing
thats a high end supes feat, one which i do incorporate in these sorts of debates. At the same time -- this high end supes feat is something that Goku did -- pre supersayan. And ask, if superman is being tagged by average villans (speedwise)
Why on earth is he so much faster than cell?
Because hes gone the speed of light once?
?
I cant comperehend that.
Originally posted by carver9Yes, standing in one spot as a blast is going through him, and while a single punch is going through him.
Wow, against a brick.
"It was a metaphorical fight!"
heh... looks like you're turning into phenomenol here.
Originally posted by carver9Oh look you might just be a die hard DBZ fanboy after all. Maeing up lame excuses to downplay a feat.
You do know that doomsday havent had a nice speed display since the time he killed superman. Doomsday aint nothing but a brick. Damn, batman killed a ton of doomsday clone with a ax. I want to see combat speed like dragonball z. That wasnt close to the level of combat speed that i just showed you and i can only think of twice where superman has ever accomplished anything close to combat speed, the other was when he was fighting mongul.
You notice how Superman is standing in one spot as the blast is going through him? hmm
So yeah it was exactly what you said and exactly what you described. 😐
Originally posted by carver9You wanna prove that it was 1000 punches? Prove that first.
Can you show me superman doing a 1000 punches per second then winking out doing a 1000 more punches,
Originally posted by carver9Oh big whoop. Wolverine can move fast enough that the human eye can't track it. That's not that high of speed. 🙄
winking out making exploding noises all around the sky, in every direction.
Originally posted by carver9I guess you might be at risk of being labeld as nothing more than a DBZ fanboy who makes up lame excuses to downplay feats. Just like Phenomenol... And then you'd lose all credibility and be placed on ignore as being no better than 2dmanloud, or phenomenol.
You all keep showing me these lame scans that aint nothing that goku as a child didnt do. I guess i have to bring some regular dragonball scans.
Originally posted by Rorschach
Not really.We know that Superman can hit someone with enough strength to send them out or orbit.
We know Goku can move very fast but we don’t know exactly how fast. He's fast enough to make the Ginyu Force look like punks but we don't know exactly how fast to compare it to other speed feats.
Strength and speed are different things.
I got a question for you since you asked me a question. Lets say if cooler was a villian of superman and cooler decided to make this a fast fight and created that huge round planet destroying blast and threw it at superman.
He tells superman if he dodge the blast the planet is gone. What is superman going to do.
Originally posted by CreshoskI guess you might be at risk of being labeld as nothing more than a DBZ fanboy who makes up lame excuses to downplay feats. Just like Phenomenol... And then you'd lose all credibility and be placed on ignore as being no better than 2dmanloud, or phenomenol.
Carver, dont let chreshok bully you. This is nothing more than him being unable to stay on-topic and have a good debate. He ingored Qris and I simply because we out-debated him. Nither of us insulted him at any point. This sort of behavior is extremely inexcuseable, and somewhat comical. Anyone who reads your post would see that clearly your not spouting off random info with no knoweldge in comic books. Creshok isint even debateing you now, hes just trying to intimidate you.
Originally posted by carver9i've got a question...how is that relevent to the topic?
I got a question for you since you asked me a question. Lets say if cooler was a villian of superman and cooler decided to make this a fast fight and created that huge round planet destroying blast and threw it at superman.He tells superman if he dodge the blast the planet is gone. What is superman going to do.
