Cell Vs Superman

Originally posted by carver9
Great post but I would like to ask. When something enters a black hole, what speed is it going at. Just a question for thought because that scene that you showed me was in a black hole. NOT BEING FANBOYISH but can you show me superman doing a speed feat that i showed you with freiza.

Objects are drawn to the center of the blackhole at light-speed. To escape a black hole you have to move faster than light because you are been pulled into it at light-speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me something even close to that. Like him hitting a object from one place and coming behind it, hitting it in another direction simutaneously. He cant do it and it never happened.

But we allready know Superman can move at supersonic speeds. 🙂

Like him hitting a object from one place and coming behind it, hitting it in another direction simutaneously . He cant do it and it never happened.

I must of drawn these myself then:

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Originally posted by carver9
Great post but I would like to ask. When something enters a black hole, what speed is it going at. Just a question for thought because that scene that you showed me was in a black hole. NOT BEING FANBOYISH but can you show me superman doing a speed feat that i showed you with freiza. Show me something even close to that. Like him hitting a object from one place and coming behind it, hitting it in another direction simutaneously. He cant do it and it never happened.

You know why they're called "black holes"? Its because even light is not fast enough to escape them. So they appear to be the absence of light.

So in order to escape from a black hole you have to go FASTER than the speed of light. Considering light's mass something much more massive than light would have to use more energy and go as many times faster than light as the mass is greater than light.

Now a double black hole means there are two so the number in speed required to escape is doubled. to escape the gravitaional well of BOTH the black holes.

What freeza did was nowhere NEAR as fast. So to say that someone who can move at many mutiples times the speed of light can't do something SLOWER... well that's right up there with Phenomenol's downplaying of the Odin fight or 2damnloud's downplaying of the MArtian manhunter feat.

"It was a metaphorical fight!"
"I know Vishnu is the hindu god of creation, but he's no storm."
"I know Superman can move many times the speed of light, but he can't do something that requires significantly less speed like hitting a person and then getting to the other side of them."

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh yes, he can move faster than the speed of light and can't move at 50 mph. 🙄

You know why they're called "black holes"? Its because even light is not fast enough to escape them. So they appear to be the absence of light.

So in order to escape from a black hole you have to go FASTER than the speed of light. Considering light's mass something much more massive than light would have to use more energy and go as many times faster than light as the mass is greater than light.

Now a double black hole means there are two so the number in speed required to escape is doubled. to escape the gravitaional well of BOTH the black holes.

What freeza did was nowhere NEAR as fast. So to say that someone who can move at many mutiples times the speed of light can't do something SLOWER... well that's right up there with Phenomenol's downplaying of the Odin fight or 2damnloud's downplaying of the MArtian manhunter feat.

"It was a metaphorical fight!"
"I know Vishnu is the hindu god of creation, but he's no storm."
"I know Superman can move many times the speed of light, but he can't do something that requires significantly less speed like hitting a person and then getting to the other side of them."

You just dont get it. High feat for superman but like Im trying to make you realize is that the black hole could have helped superman with the speed that he was going. With that scan your basically saying that superman can go faster than flash, which we all know is a lie. It has been stated and it has been classified that flash is the fastest man in dc and that his top speed is the speed of light, anything beyond that he enters the speed force. Blackhole helping superman=superman moving faster than the speed of light. Superman flying in space equal=superman having the ability to go faster than the speed of light, (no gravitational pull).

Rogue has flown through space going the speed of light. Terrax has flown through space going the speed of light. Carol Danvers has flown through space going the speed of light. Even ironman made from earth to the sun in some seconds. Does that mean that they can go faster than light on earth. Nope. I would love for you to read this. Read what it says about nova speed. It simply says this. Can fly faster than speed of sound (mach 3) in Earth's atmosphere. Able to reach light speed and access hyperspace when in space. What is that telling you.

Got it from here. http://www.marveldatabase.com/Nova_%28Richard_Rider%29

Originally posted by carver9
You just dont get it. High feat for superman but like Im trying to make you realize is that the black hole could have helped superman with the speed that he was going. With that scan your basically saying that superman can go faster than flash, which we all know is a lie. It has been stated and it has been classified that flash is the fastest man in dc and that his top speed is the speed of light, anything beyond that he enters the speed force. Blackhole helping superman=superman moving faster than the speed of light. Superman flying in space equal=superman having the ability to go faster than the speed of light, (no gravitational pull).

Flash can go faster than the speed of light. Try to pick up a Flash comic that wasn’t published during the mid 90s. Black holes suck you in at the speed of light, you have to go faster than the speed of light to escape one, which Superman did.

Originally posted by carver9
Rogue has flown through space going the speed of light. Terrax has flown through space going the speed of light. Carol Danvers has flown through space going the speed of light. Even ironman made from earth to the sun in some seconds. Does that mean that they can go faster than light on earth. Nope. I would love for you to read this. Read what it says about nova speed. It simply says this. Can fly faster than speed of sound (mach 3) in Earth's atmosphere. Able to reach light speed and access hyperspace when in space. What is that telling you.

How about posting some scans to backup those claims. And we all know Terrax can go at the speed of light or faster, he was a herald of Galactus.

Originally posted by carver9
Got it from here. http://www.marveldatabase.com/Nova_%28Richard_Rider%29

Online bio that could be edited by anybody who becomes a member. Find something from the comic that backs up your claim.

All of superman enemies are bricks. Superman got killed by one. Superman got knocked the hell out by despero who aint nothing but a brick and you think that he is suppose to beat someone that is on an entirely different caliber than any enemy he has ever faced. Yeah right. He wouldnt know what to do fighting someone that is hitting you a 100 times per second from every angle.

He'll be shocked seeing someone just disappear right in front of his face, not leaving any kind of trace and seconds later coming behind him hitting him planet destroying blast. This fight is suicidal for superman. You all still havent showed me anything that shows superman fighting at the caliber that i displayed to you. If superman and flash got in a fight do you think that they would be fighting like dragonball z characters. Since i have seen there fights, i dont think so, just want to know what you thought about it.

Originally posted by carver9
All of superman enemies are bricks. Superman got killed by one. Superman got knocked the hell out by despero who aint nothing but a brick and you think that he is suppose to beat someone that is on an entirely different caliber than any enemy he has ever faced. Yeah right. He wouldnt know what to do fighting someone that is hitting you a 100 times per second from every angle.

I'd like you to show me a scan or even a video where it's stated or at least shown that anyone in Dragonball is hitting someone a 100 times per second.

Originally posted by carver9
He'll be shocked seeing someone just disappear right in front of his face, not leaving any kind of trace and seconds later coming behind him hitting him planet destroying blast. This fight is suicidal for superman. You all still havent showed me anything that shows superman fighting at the caliber that i displayed to you. If superman and flash got in a fight do you think that they would be fighting like dragonball z characters. Since i have seen there fights, i dont think so, just want to know what you thought about it.

Flash and Zoom went around the world 12 times in less than a second , while fighting. Yeah, that's got nothing on Dragonball characters.

Originally posted by carver9
You just dont get it. High feat for superman but like Im trying to make you realize is that the black hole could have helped superman with the speed that he was going.

Originally posted by carver9
With that scan your basically saying that superman can go faster than flash, which we all know is a lie.

An entire city in less than a second. Do you know how many MILLIONS of times faster than the Speed of light that would require?

Originally posted by carver9
It has been stated and it has been classified that flash is the fastest man in dc and that his top speed is the speed of light,

Yeah, he got better too.

Originally posted by carver9
anything beyond that he enters the speed force. Blackhole helping superman=superman moving faster than the speed of light.

What was he trying to escape? Oh the blackhole was helping him. 🙄

Originally posted by carver9
Superman flying in space equal=superman having the ability to go faster than the speed of light, (no gravitational pull).

You say that superman can go faster than the speed of light, but Flash is the fastest man in the DCU but can only go as fast as the speed of light. Pretty obvious you don't know what your'e talking about.

Originally posted by carver9
Rogue has flown through space going the speed of light. Terrax has flown through space going the speed of light. Carol Danvers has flown through space going the speed of light. Even ironman made from earth to the sun in some seconds. Does that mean that they can go faster than light on earth. Nope. I would love for you to read this. Read what it says about nova speed. It simply says this. Can fly faster than speed of sound (mach 3) in Earth's atmosphere. Able to reach light speed and access hyperspace when in space. What is that telling you.

Got it from here. http://www.marveldatabase.com/Nova_%28Richard_Rider%29

You don't even have any feats for the DBZ characters where they're shown going faster than the speed of light.

[logic=dbzfanboy]They've never needed to, so we don't need evidence to prove that they can.[/logic]

🙄

Originally posted by Rorschach
Flash can go faster than the speed of light. Try to pick up a Flash comic that wasn’t published during the mid 90s. Black holes suck you in at the speed of light, you have to go faster than the speed of light to escape one, which Superman did.

How about posting some scans to backup those claims. And we all know Terrax can go at the speed of light or faster, he was a herald of Galactus.

Online bio that could be edited by anybody who becomes a member. Find something from the comic that backs up your claim.

Well i guess that dc lied when they stated that flash would have to go the speed of light to enter the speed force.

So i guess since terrax can go the speed of light, he can also fight like dragonball z characters.

Your disclaiming the fact. Well I guess your words are>>>> any bio.

Originally posted by carver9
Well i guess that dc lied when they stated that flash would have to go the speed of light to enter the speed force.

Things have changed since the 90s. Did you know that they making new episodes of Seinfeld.

Anyway. Flash can enter the Speed Force if he wishes to but he can go beyond light-speed and not be sucked into the speed force. Like in his fight against Zoom.

Originally posted by carver9
Your disclaiming the fact. Well I guess your words are>>>> any bio.

Scans> Online bios that can be edited by anyone who's s member.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Right, because something that's pulling you into the center strong enough and fast enough to pull in light was helping to push Superman away from it. 🙄

Uh.. no... Have you seen Flash's Nuke evac trick where he evacuates an entire city from a nuclear explosion after we see the flash from it?

An entire city in less than a second. Do you know how many MILLIONS of times faster than the Speed of light that would require?

Which is a bunch of bull. He's gone faster than that. Remember when superman was described as being stronger than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings with a single bound?

Yeah, he got better too.

That's like saying that gravity helps rockets escape, or that chains holding sdomeone down helps them leave a house.

What was he trying to escape? Oh the blackhole was helping him. 🙄

Aren't you contradicting your own arguments?

You say that superman can go faster than the speed of light, but Flash is the fastest man in the DCU but can only go as fast as the speed of light. Pretty obvious you don't know what your'e talking about.

And what's your point?

You don't even have any feats for the DBZ characters where they're shown going faster than the speed of light.

[logic=dbzfanboy]They've never needed to, so we don't need evidence to prove that they can.[/logic]

🙄

Creshosk, you just turned my words all around. I said that superman can go faster than light in space. Read the entire post. Something that even rogue has done and nova.

Originally posted by carver9
All of superman enemies are bricks. Superman got killed by one. Superman got knocked the hell out by despero who aint nothing but a brick and you think that he is suppose to beat someone that is on an entirely different caliber than any enemy he has ever faced. Yeah right. He wouldnt know what to do fighting someone that is hitting you a 100 times per second from every angle.

He'll be shocked seeing someone just disappear right in front of his face, not leaving any kind of trace and seconds later coming behind him hitting him planet destroying blast. This fight is suicidal for superman. You all still havent showed me anything that shows superman fighting at the caliber that i displayed to you. If superman and flash got in a fight do you think that they would be fighting like dragonball z characters. Since i have seen there fights, i dont think so, just want to know what you thought about it.

Did you just call Doomsday a brick? Doomsday was able to fight comparable to Flash and just got stronger and faster after his death. He was dumb yes but not slow. Also Superman can vibrate fast enough to not be hit by anything the Z characters do. The Z characters move fast enough to leave afterimages sure but Superman could sit there and be intangible. He's also moved fast enough to leave afterimages. Fast enough for nobody to even notice he's moved. Everybody see Z fighters when they fight yet they are suppose to be able to hit somebody who can go to a different country and get a bottle of wine for his wife before she realizes he's gone or even through saying a sentence. Or faster than somebody who went all across America taking out bombs from each town members of the JLA live in then throwing them someplace where they'll explode without harming anybody, building a computer that would scroll at light speed, and beating a villain to get some stolen jewels all in seconds which his wife states at the end that he just left a few second ago. By the way the first was Superman the second was Flash.

And no if you put Superman and Flash fighting in a comic it would look nothing like DBZ anime because it's a comic not animated.

Originally posted by carver9
All of superman enemies are bricks.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman got killed by one.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman got knocked the hell out by despero who aint nothing but a brick

Originally posted by carver9
and you think that he is suppose to beat someone that is on an entirely different caliber than any enemy he has ever faced.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah right. He wouldnt know what to do fighting someone that is hitting you a 100 times per second from every angle.

Originally posted by carver9
He'll be shocked seeing someone just disappear right in front of his face,

Wolverine has disappeared infront of peoples faces. Guess that makes him as fast as a dbz character huh? 🙄

Originally posted by carver9
not leaving any kind of trace and seconds later coming behind him hitting him planet destroying blast.

Originally posted by carver9
This fight is suicidal for superman.

Originally posted by carver9
You all still havent showed me anything that shows superman fighting at the caliber that i displayed to you.

Originally posted by carver9
If superman and flash got in a fight do you think that they would be fighting like dragonball z characters. Since i have seen there fights, i dont think so, just want to know what you thought about it.

Two characters that move many times the speed of light have no chance against people who move many times slower than it. 🙄

"I know Vishnu's the hindu god of creation, but he's not storm."

Pure fanboy bullshit.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Things have changed since the 90s. Did you know that they making new episodes of Seinfeld.

Anyway. Flash can enter the Speed Force if he wishes to but he can go beyond light-speed and not be sucked into the speed force. Like in his fight against Zoom.

Scans> Online bios that can be edited by anyone who's s member.

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Good one about seinfeld. There have been instances in comics where characters have done things that shouldnt have been done. The flash and zoom fight is one of them. The speed force should have been tapped fighting at that speed but hey you got me there, cant deny that.

Good post.

Originally posted by carver9
Creshosk, you just turned my words all around.[b/]

Originally posted by carver9
[B]I said that superman can go faster than light in space. Read the entire post. Something that even rogue has done and nova.

Originally posted by carver9
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Good one about seinfeld. There have been instances in comics where characters have done things that shouldnt have been done.

Originally posted by carver9
The flash and zoom fight is one of them.

Originally posted by carver9
The speed force should have been tapped fighting at that speed but hey you got me there, cant deny that.

Originally posted by carver9
Good post.

You know the guy who says that his fight never happened:

Originally posted by carver9
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Good one about seinfeld. There have been instances in comics where characters have done things that shouldnt have been done. The flash and zoom fight is one of them. The speed force should have been tapped fighting at that speed but hey you got me there, cant deny that.

Good post.

I can say the same about Dragonball episodes or volumes.

"Somethings just shouldn't happen in the manga"

"Like what?"

"Like Gohan beating Cell!"

"Gohan became stronger."

"But before he was weaker and we all know that things that happened before is how things should always be! And characters don't become stronger or faster at all and their powers don't change!"

*Insert more bullshit here*

Flash and the speed force is the main reason I dislike speedsters in comics. 😬

Goku had trouble stopping that mountain. Superman would have picked up that moutain and chucked it.

Answer this for me. Why have writers wrote battles with superman losing against dragonball characters. I know that all the battles was done in wizard but still writers that know each individuals capability ends the battle with superman losing badly.

The 1st battle i seen was superman vs krillin and he lost wizard # 75.

The 2nd battle that they made was the jla vs nappa and vegeta ending with the entire team getting crushed.

The 3rd and most famous battle was superman vs goku and goku simply destroyed superman.

Why are your answers different from writers and creshok why are you bringing up goku failing to lift a bus well two reasons that that could have happened was because he wasnt even powered up. Well since you brought that up i would love to bring up superman getting thrashed by venom and superman had the aid of spiderman and still got thrashed ending with venom having superman in the choke hold. Or i can just bring up spiderman beating the hell out of superman (even though he had red sunlight, superman still had his speed.). Or i can use wonderwoman almost killing superman, ending with her slice his throat with her tiara.