Cell Vs Superman

Originally posted by Creshosk

Rules change, its not there now.. GO LOOK!
Heh.. no you claimed it existed... Remember?
"I call SvFL" remember that?Would you like to prove that?
Oh yes, the vaunted times that I don't want to bring up specifically. 🙄

It exists I just don't need to prove it....

Oh yes the rule was removed, but its still there...
Much like how all acohol is illegal in the US even theough the ammendment that prohibited it was removed. 🙄

The rule is most likely in effect because like I posted with the full capacity rule. It's consistency that matters in terms of feats. No, ridiculous high-end feats like I just quoted.

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Superman does have variable power levels, since his power is dependant on amounts of an external energy source. 😬

Originally posted by Creshosk

Prove your claim. You say that lower levels of energy will take him out.
Like the Sun-Eater? Or the nuke I showed earlier?
You want me to go through the Superman respect thread and pick up all the times he's taken an energy attack?

You are REALLY floundering. plus you're breaking the full capacity rule again. He's shown to take energy attacks ... so suddenly your supernova shows he can't? 🙄

I never claimed he couldn't take supernova, I posted the scan with sun-eater to show that a Supernova is his limit. I've asked you to compare the amount times he can take a "Galaxy Busting" blast to a lower level energy blast. Because you still haven't displayed him taking a galaxy level blast on a consistant bases. Infact, you haven't shown him taken a "Galaxy Level Blast" at all.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And yet its the matter that does the impacting. hmm

Still grasping...

And transfers energy, unless your telling me that the force of a K.O. is a chemical reaction? Futhermore, it's never been stated that suped has a particular resistance to energy.

Originally posted by Creshosk

🙄 please, you're still needing to prove your claim that lower levels of energy take him out. 🙄 So sorry kid, burden of proof is on YOUR shoulders.

I just showed a scan of him being K.O.'ed by a supernova.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I never claimed he couldn't take supernova,

I just showed a scan of him being K.O.'ed by a supernova.

Look, get your head on straight, figure out what you're trying to say and then try it again. Contradicting yourself like this is helping no one.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Look, get your head on straight, figure out what you're trying to say and then try it again. Contradicting yourself like this is helping no one.

If he couldn't take it, he would be dead versus being K.O.'ed. 😬

I mean't that a Super-Nova level blast is his limit or near it. 🙂

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
If he couldn't take it, he would be dead. 😬

I mean't that a Super-Nova level blast is his limit or near it. 🙂

Mageddon warhead>Supernova>planet busting attack

And that's the point I'm getting at.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I will assert again "Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it didn't happen." IT fits with the rules, given how all characters power up, the supernova was 16 years ago.

Mageddon warhead>Supernova>planet busting attack

And that's the point I'm getting at.

It doesn't fit into the rules which is what I'm getting at. Supes has been hurt by blast from Protex several times in one issue, mageddon was one PIS instance. If SVFL is not there, then I'll settle for PIS since Mageddons bombs have much more power then supes can take.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
It doesn't fit into the rules which is what I'm getting at.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Supes has been hurt by blast from Protex several times in one issue, mageddon was one PIS instance.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
If SVFL is not there, then I'll settle for PIS since Mageddons bombs have much more power then supes can take.

*folds arms* I await the proof I know you're not going to give. And I will assert that this is no different than phenomenol's assertation that the supernova should have killed him. Simply because you do not agree with it does not mean that it didn't happen.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, what you're getting at is trying to assert one that does not exist and/or misinterpriting a rule. In either case it is merely a justification of your breaking the rules.

PIS is limiting oneself, not using your full abilities. It is much akin to the full capacity rule. Read up on them.

Yes, and Mageddon has the ability to destroy a Galaxy with his warhead that somehow failed to hurt supes who consistantly gets hurt by or K.O.'ed by farless. Hence it's PIS, because Mageddon's warhead is too much for an individual that at best can take a Super-Nova.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Prove it. With out breaking or justification of your breaking the rules.

*folds arms* I await the proof I know you're not going to give. And I will assert that this is no different than phenomenol's assertation that the supernova should have killed him. Simply because you do not agree with it does not mean that it didn't happen.

I never said the Supernova could kill, I said anything past Sun-Eaters Super Nova is his limit.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Yes, and Mageddon has the ability to destroy a Galaxy with his warhead that somehow failed to hurt supes who consistantly gets hurt by or K.O.'ed by farless.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Hence it's PIS, because Mageddon's warhead is too much for an individual that at best can take a Super-Nova.

I never said the Supernova could kill, I said anything past Sun-Eaters Super Nova is his limit.

quit dodging with asserting your opinion as if it were truth and make with the proof.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which you still refuse to show...

I just posted the scan of him being K.O.ed' by a supernova and I showed the rule that he's breaking. 😬

Originally posted by Creshosk

And how is this different from phenomenol setting his limit to be far less than the super nova?

Because supes constanty takes solar damage versus galaxy busting damage.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I just posted the scan of him being K.O.ed' by a supernova and I showed the rule that he's breaking. 😬

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Because supes constanty takes solar damage versus galaxy busting damage.

In case you didn't know that was a rhetorical question. You are doing the SAME exact thing he did.

It's funny how many times you had to explain you were not breaking the Full Capacity law.

I am at a failure to see how you did by stating that Superman's durability is not constantly at a high end.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, you showed one instance from 16 years ago which you're trying to use set the norm to disprove his ability to take the galaxy buster and you misconstrued the rules ... AGAIN...

Does it matter how old it is, unless you have some proof that it does have an effect your point is moot. Futhermore, the rule states that you cannot use a over powered instance for the character. If your arguing that supes can always take a galaxy busting shot, then your basically saying his career is based on low showings. Galaxy busting is not an average, it only happens once.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Does it matter how old it is,

Are you seriously implying that? 😬

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
unless you have some proof that it does have an effect your point is moot.

Remember how Superman was only faster than a speeding bullet and could only leap tall buildings in a single bound, even shortly after they reset the story line Superman was once again restricted to not being able to fly and then.. he did, and slowly he got more powerful over the years.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Futhermore, the rule states that you cannot use a over powered instance for the character.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
If your arguing that supes can always take a galaxy busting shot, then your basically saying his career is based on low showings.

You're really starting to turn out like SeerQris and extramission and their insistence that you don't need proof.

rofl, a brief read of the super buu vs thanos thread will show that we were not trying to prove anything(pg 23 and on). Something Cresh through his own shortcommings failed to realize.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So characters are expected to stay at their same level of power and never grow stronger? 😐
Are you seriously implying that? 😬

Not to the levels your trying to pass off. Your making it seem that his durability is high enough to take that kinda of power just because 16 years have passed. Just because characters grow more powerful over time, does not mean supes has grown to take a "Galaxy Busting" blast. That's a Non - Sequiter Fallacy.

Originally posted by Creshosk

No, because you're still trying to prove its more than he can take as a consistency, remember?

Remember how Superman was only faster than a speeding bullet and could only leap tall buildings in a single bound, even shortly after they reset the story line Superman was once again restricted to not being able to fly and then.. he did, and slowly he got more powerful over the years.

That's irrelevant since that version of superman has been retconned since the crisis. And, superman writers would add powers randomly just to make supes win. Your confusing bad writing with growth and consistency.

Originally posted by Creshosk

It states that you cannot use high levels of power for characters with variable LEVELS.

I know what it says, and like I said his power has variable levels depending on his solar input.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Like sun dipped superman is not the default.
Neither is Prime etc... Do you understand that? No, of course you don't. but it doesn't matter because that's the way things are. Now you're still trying to prove that that is beyond what he normally takes and used ONE piece of evidence from 16 years ago.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Strawman argument. Don't put words in my mouth. Now get with making with the proof. Quit dodging.

-I mentioned him getting hurt by protex, and you ignored it
-Punches, you ignored it
-Super Nova, you claimed it's too old and tried to mention pre-crisis suped who is retconned.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Not to the levels your trying to pass off. Your making it seem that his durability is high enough to take that kinda of power just because 16 years have passed.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
That's irrelevant since that version of superman has been retconned since the crisis. And, superman writers would add powers randomly just to make supes win. Your confusing bad writing with growth.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I know what it says, and like I said his power has variable levels depending on his solar input.

Ironman is naother character with "variable levels" There's normal Iron Man, there's different armors he wears such as hulk buster.... By default he does not use "hulk buster".

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Who cares, his power still fluctates and is thus always changes.

-I mentioned him getting hurt by protex, and you ignored it
-Punches, you ignored it
-Super Nova, you claimed it's too old and tried to mention pre-crisis suped who is retconned.

SvsFL is still in effect. It was accidentally truncated when I made the amendments.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Setting your own level, without proof. Just like phenomenol.

I'll repeat: "Just because you don't like it,doesn't meran it didn't happen." 🙄

Strawman Fallacy, I never claimed it did not happen. I said it's way above his limits since and it's an inconsistent with his averages.

Originally posted by Creshosk

If you know what it says why do you try to use in incorrectly?

Ironman is naother character with "variable levels" There's normal Iron Man, there's different armors he wears such as hulk buster.... By default he does not use "hulk buster".

Red herring, Iron-man has nothing to do with this debate and his power does not fluctuate like supes does.

Originally posted by Creshosk

My patience with your antics is wearing thin. I told you to get your head on straight and think through what you wanted to say. Because the only one who's ignoreing things is you.

What have I ignored versus you?

I'm still waiting for you to answer:

-Sun-eater Supernova, and this time don't bring pre-crsis retconned supes
-Protex hurting him with an energy blast, and this did not take place 16 years ago
-etc.

Originally posted by illadelph12
SvsFL is still in effect. It was accidentally truncated when I made the amendments.

You were saying, Creshosk?

😆 hysterical

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Strawman Fallacy, I never claimed it did not happen.

And since it happened. its well over a planet buster.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I said it's way above his limits since and it's an inconsistent with his averages.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Red herring, Iron-man has nothing to do with this debate and his power does not fluctuate like supes does.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
What have I ignored versus you?

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I'm still waiting for you to answer:

-Sun-eater Supernova, and this time don't bring pre-crsis retconned supes

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
-Protex hurting him with an energy blast, and this did not take place 16 years ago
-etc.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
You were saying, Creshosk?

😆 hysterical

You have consistantly failed to do that and have merely danced around the question.