Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh please, using the Urban Dictionary as a source?That's far worse than wikipedia because noone checks any of these things.
I will admit I'm honored to be mentioned in the Urban Dictionary. But its not a valid source of anything.
It's simply citing a rule, but I'll ask a mod if SVFL is no longer applicable.
lol this is going to get ridiculous so I might dip out until you two settle it.
Sandai even though you are for super man G'luck. Full Capacity says nothing about allowing characters to have the high end feats on at all times. Simple reason states that things break down unless otherwise proven not to do so.
59 galaxy destroying blast will kill superman. The blast wont be like flies that he waves off of his skin....
It's getting ridiculous now, peace.
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
You were saying?
Originally posted by Creshosk
This isn't sundipped superman or superman prime or superman one million...And it wasn't in the scans provided.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Or are you delibertly misunderstanding what that means?
That isn't the point, we count averages in debates. Galaxy busting is way out of supes league. Also, easy on the insults, you act as if were debating war & peace here. Your takin' this way too seriously, mane.
Also, the rule applies to supes since he's power fluctates depending on how much solar energy he absorbs.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuThat's a good dodge there... I'll point out again its talking about people who can power themselves up. "variable power levels"
That isn't the point, we count averages in debates. Galaxy busting is way out of supes league. Also, easy on the insults, you act as if were debating war & peace.
Superman has variable power levels that are refered to as Sun dipped etc.
We use regular superman and don't assume him to be in a sundipped state.
You are again threatening to repeat what Phenomenol said. And he's a guy who says that thanos dies simply from looking at a DBZ fighter.
That's logical? Nope, neither are these lame excuses to down play him.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuInsults? I'm serious. I don't know if you have a problem like dyslexia or something else that makes reading difficult. or if you're intentionally not understanding the rule.
Also, easy on the insults, you act as if were debating war & peace here. Your takin' this way too seriously, mane.Also, the rule applies to supes since he's power fluctates depending on how much solar energy he absorbs.
Yes, Superman's power level differes depending on the amount of sunlight he's absorbed. hence the fan term for him "Sun dipped" where he goes into and then comes out of the sun. Or the state where he sits in the sun for a million years and comes out all shiny and golden.
That is his variable power level.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's a good dodge there... I'll point out again its talking about people who can power themselves up. "variable power levels"Superman has variable power levels that are refered to as Sun dipped etc.
We use regular superman and don't assume him to be in a sundipped state.
What's regular supes?
The guy's power is highly dependent on the sun, it's not like he stays at a constant level all the time? Furthermore, my point is that he does not constantly display that level of durability.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You are again threatening to repeat what Phenomenol said. And he's a guy who says that thanos dies simply from looking at a DBZ fighter.That's logical? Nope, neither are these lame excuses to down play him.
Down playing him, I just said he shouldn't really be able to take "Galaxy busting shots". I never underestimated any of his abilities what's so ever. I really don't care if I'm wrong, because this isn't that serious. 😬
Originally posted by CreshoskInsults? I'm serious. I don't know if you have a problem like dyslexia or something else that makes reading difficult. or if you're intentionally not understanding the rule.
I undestand the rule, I simply call SVFL on it because it's inconsistant with his powers. Calling me dyslexic makes you seem immature, mane.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes, Superman's power level differes depending on the amount of sunlight he's absorbed. hence the fan term for him "Sun dipped" where he goes into and then comes out of the sun. Or the state where he sits in the sun for a million years and comes out all shiny and golden.That is his variable power level.
You missed the point, his powers fluctate regardless if he sundips or not. Your using instances where his powers are well beyond his ability, sundipped or not.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsuand flash doesn't constantly display the levels of speed he's proven to obtain. That's what its talking about. He's shown to have a given level so using an example of when a person like Deathstroke clocks him breaks the rule.
What's regular supes?
The guy's power is highly dependent on the sun, it's not like he stays at a constant level all the time? Furthermore, my point is that he does not constantly display that level of durability.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuMuch like phenomenol says that he should have died when he took the sun-eater explosion 16 yers ago.
Down playing him, I just said he shouldn't really be able to take "Galaxy busting shots".
He obviously didn't because he's alive. Do suddenly thesebig events not take place because your opinion is that things should have gone differently?
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu🙄
I never underestimated any of his abilities what's so ever. I really don't care if I'm wrong, because this isn't that serious. 😬
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuProve it without breaking the rules.
You missed the point, his powers fluctate regardless if he sundips or not. Your using instances where his powers are well beyond his ability, sundipped or not.
Or shall I cite that lovely little part in the no bias claims rule where we like to have evidence for our claims?
Originally posted by Creshosk
and flash doesn't constantly display the levels of speed he's proven to obtain. That's what its talking about. He's shown to have a given level so using an example of when a person like Deathstroke clocks him breaks the rule.
Flashes speed at it's highest level is due to a plot device known as the speed force. Furthermore, flash has displayed "God Speed" all the time, it's his trademark. Hence, when flash does not display such speed, then something is wrong. How often does supes survive Galaxy busting blast for us to take it as a constant feat for him? It's not a trademark nor is it constant. I'm not calling SVFL because supes get's hit by punches, it's because that a really high end feat which he's only done how many times?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Much like phenomenol says that he should have died when he took the sun-eater explosion 16 yers ago.He obviously didn't because he's alive. Do suddenly thesebig events not take place because your opinion is that things should have gone differently?
🙄
No, because they exceed his ability in general. Like I said, galaxy busting is way past supes average durability feats. How many times has he takin' that kind of damage, twice?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Prove it without breaking the rules.Or shall I cite that lovely little part in the no bias claims rule where we like to have evidence for our claims?
I called SVFL on it, and explained why it makes no sense. You claim that SVFL is out because it's not cited in te rules. So, does that mean I can use feats like Hulk growing gills in debates, Captain America stopping ICBM's with his sheild, or cyclops being a planet buster?
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuEvery time it comes up. He takes the shot.
Flashes speed at it's highest level is due to a plot device known as the speed force. Furthermore, flash has displayed "God Speed" all the time, it's his trademark. Hence, when flash does not display such speed, then something is wrong. How often does supes survive Galaxy busting blast for us to take it as a constant feat for him?
2/2=1=100%
3/3=1=100%
4/4=1=100%
etc.. etc... etc..
hmm He's got a high energy durability.
Much like the DBZ characters.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuSvFL doesn't exist.
It's not a trademark nor is it constant. I'm not calling SVFL
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuConsistantly.
because supes get's hit by punches, it's because that a really high end feat which he's only done how many times?
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu100% consistancy.
No, because they exceed his ability in general. Like I said, galaxy busting is way past supes average durability feats. How many times has he takin' that kind of damage, twice?
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuWhich doesn't exist.
I called SVFL on it,
I call pizzasauce potato wedges on you! 🙄
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuTo you.
and explained why it makes no sense.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuMaking up stipulations is up to the OP not to you. 🙂
You claim that SVFL is out because it's not cited in te rules.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuPeople do actually... *points to the Harry potter vs Captain america thread for example*
So, does that mean I can use feats like Hulk growing gills in debates, Captain America stopping ICBM's with his sheild, or cyclops being a planet buster?
Look what you need to do to prove an inconsitency is show the same kind of attack that he does not survive. Show us the galaxy busting shots... Energy attacks... where he more often doesn't survive.
It's like I said earlier... use the biggest baddest fire attack you want on torch. He'll take it.. even if you can beat on him with physical force doesn't change the fact he takes fire attacks.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Every time it comes up. He takes the shot.2/2=1=100%
3/3=1=100%
4/4=1=100%
etc.. etc... etc..
hmm He's got a high energy durability.Much like the DBZ characters.
DBZ characters do not take planet busting shots head on, unless they counter it with some sort of attack. If supes could take Galaxy busting shots then all his averages in terms of durability would become low end feats. Are you claiming superman is a jobber?
Besides how many times has he taken galaxy busting shots?
Originally posted by CreshoskSvFL doesn't exist.
Which doesn't exist.I call pizzasauce potato wedges on you! 🙄
To you.
Show me where SVFL is null and void?
Originally posted by Creshosk
People do actually... *points to the Harry potter vs Captain america thread for example*
That doesn't mean it's correct though.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Look what you need to do to prove an inconsitency is show the same kind of attack that he does not survive. Show us the galaxy busting shots... Energy attacks... where he more often doesn't survive.It's like I said earlier... use the biggest baddest fire attack you want on torch. He'll take it.. even if you can beat on him with physical force doesn't change the fact he takes fire attacks.
He's been K.O'ed by a supernova which is energy. Furthermore, most physical attacks use energy to do damage, but if you mean raw visible energy then everytime gets hit by an energy attack the Supernova should be enough.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuYes. Superman and Flash are jobbers. 😐
DBZ characters do not take planet busting shots head on, unless they counter it with some sort of attack. If supes could take Galaxy busting shots then all his averages in terms of durability would become low end feats. Are you claiming superman is a jobber?
Have you seen the stuff that they did with PreCrisis Supes?
http://www.superdickery.com
He's put into situations where he often forgets that he has the pwer needed to get him out. 😬
But what are thsse "average showings" where he's taken out by the same type of attack we're discussing? Or are you mixiong in different resistences? 😬
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuEvery time it comes up. 😐
Besides how many times has he taken galaxy busting shots?
How many times has it come up and he hasn't taken it?
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuSorry, burden of proof is on your shoulders. "A postivive is assumed false until it is proven."
Show me where SVFL is null and void?
Shoe me in the rules in the rules thread where it is listed. 😐
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuAnd?
That doesn't mean it's correct though.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuAnd he's taken a nuke, and he's taken the mageddon, he's taken the sun eater, there was the time he took 5 super novas.
He's been K.O'ed by a supernova which is energy.
Yeah that's really an average. 😐
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuNow you're grasping at straws... Physical attacks use the matter that they are made up of to do the damage.
most physical attacks use energy to do damage,
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuOh yes, because the ONE showing over rides all the other showings of durability vs Energy. 🙄
but if you mean raw visible energy then everytime gets hit by an energy attack the Supernova should be enough.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes. Superman and Flash are jobbers. 😐Have you seen the stuff that they did with PreCrisis Supes?
http://www.superdickery.com
He's put into situations where he often forgets that he has the pwer needed to get him out. 😬
How does that compare all those times he's pulled powers out of his butt to win? Are you telling me that Pre-Crisis supes is a jobber?!
Originally posted by Creshosk
But what are thsse "average showings" where he's taken out by the same type of attack we're discussing? Or are you mixiong in different resistences? 😬
Superman durability is generally high reagrdless of the substance, it's not like he's durable to a specific substance. Futhermore, a Galaxy busting blast would encompass more than just energy soak.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Every time it comes up. 😐
And, how many times would that be compared and then compare those instances to when he's taken damage from farless things?
Originally posted by Creshosk
burden of proof is on your shoulders. "A postivive is assumed false until it is proven."Shoe me in the rules in the rules thread where it is listed. 😐
It's always been in the rules, are you telling me that SVFL has never been called before on KMC? You claimed it was taken it out, so show me where it stated to be void. I know it's not in the rules anymore, but that doesn't mean it's not applicable.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And?And he's taken a nuke, and he's taken the mageddon, he's taken the sun eater, there was the time he took 5 super novas.
Yeah that's really an average. 😐
None of these except mageddon compare to a "galaxy busting" shot and if it's an average then he should display that sort of durability most of the time which he does not.
Originally posted by CreshoskNow you're grasping at straws... Physical attacks use the matter that they are made up of to do the damage.
Um, no, they use energy. . . Why do you think that the strongest attacks are the ones that have the most potential energy?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh yes, because the ONE showing over rides all the other showings of durability vs Energy. 🙄
You haven't shown how many times he's taken Galaxy busting hits. Until you do, one feat is enough.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuWell he always won in the end. But seriously.. part of the reason he kept pulling new powers out of his butt is because he or the writers kept forgetting he had older powers that would work.
How does that compare all those times he's pulled powers out of his butt to win? Are you telling me that Pre-Crisis supes is a jobber?!
Like where he uses super friction to melt some iron bars. 😐 Yeah, its not like he had heat vision or super strength at the time...
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuYou mean like comparing a blast of yellow sun radiation to DD's fist? 😬
Superman durability is generally high reagrdless of the substance, it's not like he's durable to a specific substance.
Yeah.. that yellow sun energy would have the same effect as DD's fist.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuWould you like to prove that?
Futhermore, a Galaxy busting blast would encompass more than just energy.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuOh yes, the vaunted times that I don't want to bring up specifically. 🙄
And, how many times would that be compared and then compare those instances to when he's taken damage from farless things?
It exists I just don't need to prove it....
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuRules change, its not there now.. GO LOOK!
It's always been in the rules, are you telling me that SVFL has never been called before on KMC?
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuHeh.. no you claimed it existed... Remember?
You claimed it was taken it out, so show me where it stated to be void.
"I call SvFL" remember that?
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuOh yes the rule was removed, but its still there...
I know it's not in the rules anymore, but that doesn't mean it's not applicable.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuTo hihg levels of energy?
None of these except mageddon compare to a "galaxy busting" shot and if it's an average then he should display that sort of durability most of the time which he does not.
Prove your claim. You say that lower levels of energy will take him out.
Like the Sun-Eater? Or the nuke I showed earlier?
You want me to go through the Superman respect thread and pick up all the times he's taken an energy attack?
You are REALLY floundering. plus you're breaking the full capacity rule again. He's shown to take energy attacks ... so suddenly your supernova shows he can't? 🙄
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuAnd yet its the matter that does the impacting. hmm
Um, no, they use energy. . . Why do you think that the strongest attacks are the ones that have the most potential energy?
Still grasping...
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu🙄 please, you're still needing to prove your claim that lower levels of energy take him out. 🙄 So sorry kid, burden of proof is on YOUR shoulders.
You haven't shown how many times he's taken Galaxy busting hits. Until you do, one feat is enough.
