Originally posted by Generic Hero
A few things wrong with this response:
- No where on the panel was it said that it was a supernova. The explosion was 50 times the size of a supernova.
- In fact, it was specified to be an electro-magnetic shockwave.
- Unless Superman got a new power, he can't absorb electro-magnetism O_o
Your point is canceled because Supes TAKES NO BLAST IN THAT scan!
Originally posted by Generic Hero
A few things wrong with this response:
- No where on the panel was it said that it was a supernova. The explosion was 50 times the size of a supernova.
- In fact, it was specified to be an electro-magnetic shockwave.
- Unless Superman got a new power, he can't absorb electro-magnetism O_o
Originally posted by Generic Hero
A few things wrong with this response:
- No where on the panel was it said that it was a supernova. The explosion was 50 times the size of a supernova.
- In fact, it was specified to be an electro-magnetic shockwave.
- Unless Superman got a new power, he can't absorb electro-magnetism O_o
And upon further review I am now uncertain of the actual level of strength inside of that electro magnetic shockwave. It seems very inconclusive to me.
The scan speaks of an explosion with said size. But when it comes to this schockwave I am unconvinced of any definte power that it held.
The scan says size. It does not say that the electro magnetic shock wave packed the combined power of 50 supernova's.
That's true. However, we must remember what a supernova does -- it explodes and spreads as much of the solar matter possible over the largest distance possible. It doesn't control the radius of its blast like a bomb could.
Now, for a bomb to explode that 50 times over, it would at least have to have 50 times the force behind it. It could be more.
To complicate things further, it could also be less depending on how much force was in each inch squared. Of course, it could be more in this situation as well.
Of course, not everything is properly answered in the panel, but we all could agree its a very, very good feat, and I'm not necessarily asserting Superman tanked the power of 50 supernovas exactly, but I think its fair to assume he can take, like, 10 😄
If you look at the last panel in the scan, it mentions him escaping.
Nope, it shows him running away from the radiation, which, by nature, isn't a contributory force to an explosion.
Originally posted by Generic Hero
That's true. However, we must remember what a supernova does -- it explodes and spreads as much of the solar matter possible over the largest distance possible. It doesn't control the radius of its blast like a bomb could.
Which superman could absorb.
Originally posted by Generic Hero
Now, for a bomb to explode that 50 times over, it would at least have to have 50 times the force behind it. It could be more.To complicate things further, it could also be less depending on how much force was in each inch squared. Of course, it could be more in this situation as well.
Of course, not everything is properly answered in the panel, but we all could agree its a very, very good feat, and I'm not necessarily asserting Superman tanked the power of 50 supernovas exactly, but I think its fair to assume he can take, like, 10 😄
We don't know how much he took directly, but I've maintained that supes at best should be able to take a supernova force blast. But, he clearly cannot take a 50 times over said force.
Originally posted by Generic HeroNope, it shows him running away from the radiation, which, by nature, isn't a contributory force to an explosion.
The panel reads that he escapes, and radiation can't really do jack to supes.
Which superman could absorb.
Yes.
We don't know how much he took directly, but I've maintained that supes at best should be able to take a supernova force blast. But, he clearly can not take a 50 times over said force.
I agree, but the reason why hasn't been brought up yet.
Look at the scan again. He's close to the bomb when it explodes, but like every other explosion, it exploded omni-directionally.
Now, what does this mean? It means he didn't have the force of 50 supernovae on him. How do I illustrate this...
Imagine you're standing next to a bomb that delivers 10 tons of explosive force. If you take up 1/4 of the blast radius at the initial point of explosion, you'll only get hit by 2.5 tons of explosive force. Really, a lot of the blast went around him, so that's where I got my 10 figure from.
The panel reads that he escapes, and radiation can't really do jack to supes.
The panel says if the radiation were too touch him, it would disintergrate him. Furthermore, the page earlier says that the radiation was weakening him, so it's foreseeable that enough could destroy him. As well... he was weakened while tanking the blast.
Originally posted by Generic Hero
Yes.I agree, but the reason why hasn't been brought up yet.
Look at the scan again. He's close to the bomb when it explodes, but like every other explosion, it exploded omni-directionally.
Now, what does this mean? It means he didn't have the force of 50 supernovae on him. How do I illustrate this...
Imagine you're standing next to a bomb that delivers 10 tons of explosive force. If you take up 1/4 of the blast radius at the initial point of explosion, you'll only get hit by 2.5 tons of explosive force. Really, a lot of the blast went around him, so that's where I got my 10 figure from.
I understand what your saying, because the only way he could take the full front of the blast would be if he was hit at point blank.
Originally posted by Generic Hero
That's true. However, we must remember what a supernova does -- it explodes and spreads as much of the solar matter possible over the largest distance possible. It doesn't control the radius of its blast like a bomb could.Now, for a bomb to explode that 50 times over, it would at least have to have 50 times the force behind it. It could be more.
To complicate things further, it could also be less depending on how much force was in each inch squared. Of course, it could be more in this situation as well.
Of course, not everything is properly answered in the panel, but we all could agree its a very, very good feat, and I'm not necessarily asserting Superman tanked the power of 50 supernovas exactly, but I think its fair to assume he can take, like, 10 😄
Nope, it shows him running away from the radiation, which, by nature, isn't a contributory force to an explosion.
In the spirit of discussion I will accept that Supermans durability can handle more than 1 Supernova power packing blast, I am still iffy about setting an exact number.
But I will again say I am still uncertain about that electro magnetic shock wave. It doesnt sit well with me as being the real "power' of a super nova explosion.
I have a question about Superman's absorbing abilities. Does this apply only to Supernovas? And when he absorbs it does he get stronger, or were we using the word absorb as in it just wasn't strong enough to effect him...
Allright, now that i see the scan i think that that scneario has been exzadurated a bit. Let me be clear first of all: I know the explosion must have been extremely powerful to expand to the size of fifty supernovas. But No where in the scan does it say it had the force of one, as some people were saying either. Clearly he is depicted flying away from the blast as it states it would have inscinerated him (the radiation atleast)
unless thiers something here being taken out of context, him absorbing a 50xsupernova blast didnt happen. Furthermore, hes flying away from it, from that observation i would be led to believe that he is moving fast enough to avoid even being harmed by the blast. Again, im not takeing this durability feat away from him so dont get me wrong. As qris siad, i think it was a big emblished.
And for the record, i am at work so if i blatantly missed something feel free to point it out (as in im multitasking)
Originally posted by Generic HeroThe panel says if the radiation were too touch him, it would disintergrate him. Furthermore, the page earlier says that the radiation was weakening him, so it's foreseeable that enough could destroy him. As well... he was weakened while tanking the blast.
That makes no sense since radiation shouldn't hurt supes, at best it should weaken him. But, to incenerate him?!
Allright, the scan makes a bit more sense to me now
the panel in question would be the one where the ball explodes. Clearly he was able to fly away from it (as he wasnt killed by it)
but judgeing by what hes saying i would assume that all happened in a very short period of time
enough for him to be rocked by 50supernova strength energy? I could be being over analytical, but simply due to the fact that he escaped, i would conclude that he escaped the blast without getting rocked by its full force, hence the fact that he is seen flying away from the blast at incredible speeds. Thast not to say a large ammount of force was endured on his behalf, though
Thast not to say a large ammount of force was endured on his behalf, though
Pretty much, yes. Personally, I don't see Cell putting out that much, so I think Superman can beat him rather comfortably. Of course, I'd take someone like Super Vegito over Superman (unless Superman is REALLY MEGA pissed). Cell is laughable by comparison to Vegito, though.
I also wanted to address another thing. What is this bomb thing that is exploading anyways. Whatever sort of power it produces I am unconvinced off. The thing appears to be some alien technology as radiation blooms out of it?
The size of the effect cannot be used to show the power behind it, especially since we don't know the physics of it. It's not an ordinary bomb is what I am getting at. In fact it's flat out weird. Electro Magnetism followed by glowing balls of radiation. Im gonna call inconclusive on this one.
Originally posted by Generic Hero
Pretty much, yes. Personally, I don't see Cell putting out that much, so I think Superman can beat him rather comfortably. Of course, I'd take someone like Super Vegito over Superman (unless Superman is REALLY MEGA pissed). Cell is laughable by comparison to Vegito, though.
Cell harnishes the power to destroy an Entire Solar System.
Superman dies!
Originally posted by Generic Hero
Pretty much, yes. Personally, I don't see Cell putting out that much, so I think Superman can beat him rather comfortably. Of course, I'd take someone like Super Vegito over Superman (unless Superman is REALLY MEGA pissed). Cell is laughable by comparison to Vegito, though.
I think extra meant wasn't instead of was.
But with regards to what cell will put out.
In my mind I don't see Cell One shotting Superman. I see an actual battle that must take into account, Cell's martial ability. His ability to sense opponents moves and dodge and speed blitz out of the way accordingly. Cell's power that is ample enough to harm Superman (not saying he is gonna diatomize him). Cells fighting power which is also ample enough to harm Superman.
On the Flip side. I do not see anything that suggest the Superman can one shot cell. Further still, if he did wield something that is sure to one shot cell, I see nothing that suggest that cell can't escape from it.