Cell Vs Superman

Originally posted by SeerQris
You ask some great questions but these are plot elements. Im sure we can see Superman doing this sub light speeds all the time. We are talking high end feats here not low end. Why doesnt Dr STrange do certain things when he is so power etc... its all plot.

Goku was trying to get to Earth as fast he could. He should have done it in seconds. He didn’t. He took hours. Superman has said that he tries not to go above the speed of sound while flying through populated areas. Goku didn’t have to worry about anything like that while crossing Serpent Road.

You can’t blame everything on the plot. Not when the only time a Dragonball character was at light-speed or faster was due to a dub error.

Originally posted by SeerQris
You ask some great questions but these are plot elements. Im sure we can see Superman doing this sub light speeds all the time. We are talking high end feats here not low end. Why doesnt Dr STrange do certain things when he is so power etc... its all plot.

No, he asked a good question which had a reason behind it. If he seen any dbz fights he would know that goku or cell would destroy superman. Answer this question for me. Ok dragonballz made a manga comic about dragonball z and what capabilities they thought that dragonball z characters could do (including speed, strength, overrall power). So the anime is basically based off of the manga and they made it into a cartoon so we can see lively of the characters capabilities.

Now, dc did the same thing with the justice league. They made a cartoon based off the perseption of what the characters capabilities are. The cartoon gave superman super speed, super strength, etc... like his counter part.

So since they based both cartoons off the comics and we have yet see superman use any kind of combat speed but have seen flash fight fast (not like dragonball z characters) like his comic counter part. Then that should tell you something.

Originally posted by carver9
Here goes the last of the fight. Now with these scans that im showing you all, you should really think about your answer. We all know that superman cant fight this fast. We all know that superman have ever fought anyone that has ever displayed any kind of power or martial arts or fighting techniques that the dragonball z characters has displayed. Just look at the way they are fighting. Its impossible for superman to win. Superman dont have any kind of defense against an assault like this.

I just can think of a reason why you all are voting for him. Especially against a character like cell. Heres the rest of the fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNgkPhy00jw&mode=related&search=

The speeds their fighting at is never stated.

Originally posted by carver9
No, he asked a good question which had a reason behind it. If he seen any dbz fights he would know that goku or cell would destroy superman. Answer this question for me. Ok dragonballz made a manga comic about dragonball z and what capabilities they thought that dragonball z characters could do (including speed, strength, overrall power). So the anime is basically based off of the manga and they made it into a cartoon so we can see lively of the characters capabilities.

The anime is not cannon, it contradicts events in the manga. The thread creator has to specify whether we're using the anime or manga version.

Originally posted by carver9
Now, dc did the same thing with the justice league. They made a cartoon based off the perseption of what the characters capabilities are. The cartoon gave superman super speed, super strength, etc... like his counter part.

So since they based both cartoons off the comics and we have yet see superman use any kind of combat speed but have seen flash fight fast (not like dragonball z characters) like his comic counter part. Then that should tell you something.

JLU Superman is much weaker than Comic Superman. You can tell by comparing the feats they've accomplished.

Originally posted by Rorschach
The speeds their fighting at is never stated.

Very true. But now you're getting too nit picky. Let your eyes speak, you know very well in your soul that they are moving at light speeds. Invisible, thunderbolt down.... it's just unfortunate that there isnt a speedomerter on the side of the screen to confirm what your eyes are telling you.

Originally posted by SeerQris
Very true. But now your getting too nit picky. Let your eyes speak, you know very well in your soul that they are moving at light speeds. Invisible, thunderbolt down.... it's just unfortunate that there isnt a speedomerter on the side of the screen to confirm what your eyes are telling you.

Thor has moved so fast he has become invisible. He wasn't moving at light-speed.

Superman moved so fast that he became invisible. Said he was only going at Mach 3.

How do thunderbolts indicate that someone is moving at light-speed?

Originally posted by Rorschach
The anime is not cannon, it contradicts events in the manga. The thread creator has to specify whether we're using the anime or manga version.

JLU Superman is much weaker than Comic Superman. You can tell by comparing the feats they've accomplished.

For the sake of our current debate let us stick to the anime world as that is what most of us are familiar with. None of us wants to go out to Borders and buy all the volumes at 10 dollars a book. This is fair you know both anime and manga most of us are only down with the show.

I will buy however the dub arguments as they show an attempt by america to change what was said in the original japanese show.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Goku was trying to get to Earth as fast he could. He should have done it in seconds. He didn’t. He took hours. Superman has said that he tries not to go above the speed of sound while flying through populated areas. Goku didn’t have to worry about anything like that while crossing Serpent Road.

You can’t blame everything on the plot. Not when the only time a Dragonball character was at light-speed or faster was due to a dub error.

Well i would like to use something against you. If superman can move faster than the speed of light, why when he just got through saving krypto from a imperex probe and he heard wonder woman screaming in pain why didnt he make it there in time to prevent the imperex probe from killing wonderwoman mother. Why when he flew off and by the time he got there wonder woman mother was dead.

Answer this for me during the same saga why when louis was calling for clark to come and help her before her father died by the imperex probe. Since superman moves at the speed of light, why didnt he get there in time to prevent this from happening. Why did louis father ended up dying anyway.

Answer this also, since superman moves at the speed of light. Why in the superman for tomorrow book, why when equus was about to kill a hand full of soldiers and superman was flying trying to stop the bullets from killing the soldiers why did superman say this "six hundred seventy-two miles per hour. "Thats the speed of a bullet fired from an m-60. "Its been said that im faster than a speeding bullet. "And i am. But sometimes being faster than a speeding bullet is not fast enough." and the soldiers end up getting killed. He couldnt even reach the bullets in time before they killed the soldier. Doesnt seem like the speed of light to me.

thunder moves at 297600000 m/s

Speed of light is 300000000 m/s roughly

So thats pretty close if you ask me. I'm not gonna use that scene as proof because as you stated the show never says. But its absolutely convincing.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Thor has moved so fast he has become invisible. He wasn't moving at light-speed.

Superman moved so fast that he became invisible. Said he was only going at Mach 3.

How do thunderbolts indicate that someone is moving at light-speed?

You just dont get it do you. Look at that fight. Do you really think that superman can deal with anything like that. Look at what they are doing. Have you ever seen superman fight like that or even close to that. It has NEVER happened. They would thrash superman. Superman cannot keep up with that.

You cant be looking at it or you got to be stubborn (not trying to be mean). Superman has a hard time with hulk, metallo (when he isnt using his krptonite), Darkseid beat the hell out of him (have never displayed any speed), Lobo mud stomps him, solomon grundy, I can keep going and you think that goku wont crush him. Thats funny. Now dont say that they beat up superman to make a comic interesting, if that so, show me a brick even landing a lick on goku. You cant.

Superman has no kind of combat speed and he would get crushed.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Thor has moved so fast he has become invisible. He wasn't moving at light-speed.

Superman moved so fast that he became invisible. Said he was only going at Mach 3.

How do thunderbolts indicate that someone is moving at light-speed?

Mach 3 is visible to the human eye. As for Thor's invisibility and Supermans where is this stuff. Not trying to say you're lying I am just interested so that I can make my own judgement on it.

Originally posted by carver9
Well i would like to use something against you. If superman can move faster than the speed of light, why when he just got through saving krypto from a imperex probe and he heard wonder woman screaming in pain why didnt he make it there in time to prevent the imperex probe from killing wonderwoman mother. Why when he flew off and by the time he got there wonder woman mother was dead.

He was fighting a Imperix Probe himself at the time. And he didn't fly to Wonder Woman's mother. Her body body crash landed near him after he had finished destroying a probe.

Originally posted by carver9
Answer this for me during the same saga why when louis was calling for clark to come and help her before her father died by the imperex probe. Since superman moves at the speed of light, why didnt he get there in time to prevent this from happening. Why did louis father ended up dying anyway.

He was with Wonder Woman and her mother at the time, he had forgotten about Lois calling for help for that short moment. As soon as he remembered he flew to Lois but that was AFTER Major Lane had already destroyed the Probe.

Originally posted by carver9
Answer this also, since superman moves at the speed of light. Why in the superman for tomorrow book, why when equus was about to kill a hand full of soldiers and superman was flying trying to stop the bullets from killing the soldiers why did superman say this "six hundred seventy-two miles per hour. "Thats the speed of a bullet fired from an m-60. "Its been said that im faster than a speeding bullet. "And i am. But sometimes being faster than a speeding bullet is not fast enough." and the soldiers end up getting killed. He couldnt even reach the bullets in time before they killed the soldier. Doesnt seem like the speed of light to me.

Because For Tomorrow was written by the same guy that said Superman could fly past Galaxies at the speed of sound and had Superman saving Kyle's ass.

by the way you keep bringing up people turning invisible, etc... once. Have you seen them repeatly do it in battle like dragonball z characters, like continuously winking out punching each other.

We must factor in all the people that dont move at light speeds that have "laid hands" on superman. It's only fair.

Also what about fighting ability. As far as I am concered in fighting skill this battle is like watchign a highly trained monk against an average brawler. Don't tell me that Superman is noted for his h2h, I won't buy it without hard evidence.

Originally posted by SeerQris
Mach 3 is visible to the human eye. As for Thor's invisibility and Supermans where is this stuff. Not trying to say you're lying I am just interested so that I can make my own judgement on it.

Look through their respect threads.

The Thor instance was when he was running down a Volcano, and Superman moved faster than the eye could see after Lois accidently revealed to the Daily Planet that Clark was wearing a Superman outfit underneath. He moved faster than the eye could see and made a Batman symbol on someone else's T-Shirt and returned to where he was previously.

Originally posted by carver9
You just dont get it do you. Look at that fight. Do you really think that superman can deal with anything like that. Look at what they are doing. Have you ever seen superman fight like that or even close to that. It has NEVER happened. They would thrash superman. Superman cannot keep up with that.

You cant be looking at it or you got to be stubborn (not trying to be mean). Superman has a hard time with hulk, metallo (when he isnt using his krptonite), Darkseid beat the hell out of him (have never displayed any speed), Lobo mud stomps him, solomon grundy, I can keep going and you think that goku wont crush him. Thats funny. Now dont say that they beat up superman to make a comic interesting, if that so, show me a brick even landing a lick on goku. You cant.

Superman has no kind of combat speed and he would get crushed.

I’ve seen scans of Superman fighting at super-speed. The speed he’s fighting at is not stated, just as the speeds that Cell and Goku are fighting at is not stated. You’re assuming Cell and Goku are fighting faster because of the animation.

Originally posted by Rorschach
He was fighting a Imperix Probe himself at the time. And he didn't fly to Wonder Woman's mother. Her boy body crash landed near him after he had finished destroying a probe.

He was with Wonder Woman and her mother at the time, he had forgotten about Lois calling for help for that short moment. As soon as he remembered he flew to Lois but that was AFTER Major Lane had already destroyed the Probe.

Because For Tomorrow was written by the same guy that said Superman could fly past Galaxies at the speed of sound and had Superman saving Kyle's ass.

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Excuses for superman. He just didnt have the speed to catch the bullets. Lets just say it like that instead of making assumptions.

Answer this for me then. Why when raal wife was capture by some aliens and raal created a device that shot a beam of light and he wanted to use it to destroy the mother ship. He was worried because he knew that if he shot the beam he would kill his wife because she was on the ship so he ask superman to get his wife off the ship before the beam hit. Raal told superman that the beam goes faster than the speed of light. Why did superman say that he dont have the speed to keep up with the beam and raal said that he knew thats why you would need the flash speed. and flash had to lend superman his speed in order to catch the beam of light.

Answer that for me.

Originally posted by Rorschach
I’ve seen scans of Superman fighting at super-speed. The speed he’s fighting at is not stated, just as the speeds that Cell and Goku are fighting at is not stated. You’re assuming Cell and Goku are fighting faster because of the animation.

I dont care how fast goku and cell are fight. I want you to show me a scan of superman fight like that period. Winking in and out of battle, doing efficient moves, while doing so. I dont want to see superman use speed and one punch someone and thats the end of him moving like that. I want to see continuous speed display like a dragonball character.

Do me a favor, show me any character from marvel or dc doing that. That should be much easier for you. I bet you cant find one. Show me a character from either punching someone from the sky to the ground but before the person hit the ground the person that punched them are already at the ground preparing himself for another attack.

Originally posted by carver9
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Excuses for superman. He just didnt have the speed to catch the bullets. Lets just say it like that instead of making assumptions.

He's caught multiple bullets before.

Originally posted by carver9
Answer this for me then. Why when raal wife was capture by some aliens and raal created a device that shot a beam of light and he wanted to use it to destroy the mother ship. He was worried because he knew that if he shot the beam he would kill his wife because she was on the ship so he ask superman to get his wife off the ship before the beam hit. Raal told superman that the beam goes faster than the speed of light. Why did superman say that he dont have the speed to keep up with the beam and raal said that he knew thats why you would need the flash speed. and flash had to lend superman his speed in order to catch the beam of light.

Answer that for me.

Because that was 9 years ago. Sometimes characters get stronger as time progresses.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Look through their respect threads.

The Thor instance was when he was running down a Volcano, and Superman moved faster than the eye could see after Lois accidently revealed to the Daily Planet that Clark was wearing a Superman outfit underneath. He moved faster than the eye could see and made a Batman symbol on someone else's T-Shirt and returned to where he was previously.

Thats great and all for supes but i dont see him as carver says winking in and out. It really isnt about the human eye being unable to detect the movement. It is more of the raw fact that they are INVISIBLE just flat out winking in and out of everyones existance. As if teleporting.

For every high end feat supes has some ver low ones that seem to contradict his high end feats. I am not gonna dwell on those I am just saying that is should be factored into this battle.