Cell Vs Superman

Originally posted by Creshosk
Carver.. do you know anything about Superman?

No seriously. You keep spouting off things that just aren't true.

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omg, I know that superman can stop bullets BUT these bullets wasnt coming at him he had to use his speed and stop some bullet from hitting some soldiers. I know that superman has speed to hit bullets out of the air, thats not the argument, he didnt have enough speed to fly across some land that was about a mile away and stop some bullets from hitting some soldiers. Big difference.

Originally posted by Creshosk
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He managed to plug Lois's ears with cotton as he was flying through to protect her from the sonic boom and grab the rifle to reduce it to the size of a bullet.

"I could see Jimmy hit the signal just before the shot."

So he snagged the shot that was fired as well.

Originally posted by Creshosk
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He managed to plug Lois's ears with cotton as he was flying through to protect her from the sonic boom and grab the rifle to reduce it to the size of a bullet.

"I could see Jimmy hit the signal just before the shot."

So he snagged the shot that was fired as well.

Nice scans if it was combat speed. You do know that quicksilver was across the world (in genosha) and magneto wanted him to leave a letter at professor door and magneto sat the letter on the table and was poring himself some coffee and quicksilver grabbed the letter, ran and knocked at the professor door, dropped the letter at the door and ran back to genosha. But the amazing thing about this was that he made it back before magneto got through poring his coffee. Which one is more amazing to you.

With all that said, quicksilver would still get thrashed by goku.

Originally posted by Rorschach
It's happened several times. I forgot to mention the time that Etrigan punched Superman to the moon.

GT in non-cannon. If you really want to use GT then let me bring up the fact that Goku or Gogeta, not sure who, has trouble lifting a building. Super 17 was also stronger than Goku, Goku beat him by getting lucky. Even Goku said something about the original 17 helping Goku find Super 17's weakness.

I recall that it was Kurrin and Roshi, not Goku and Roshi. It also only lasted for 1 second but didn't seem like it was going on for 30 minutes.

Frieza and goku had 5 minutes left after Frieza hit the core of the planet. And even then Dende had time to ask the dragon for a wish and to have everyone teleport to Earth, and in the anime Vegeta actually talked to Goku after he had gone SSJ.

You were right about the krillin and roshi fight. Frieza and goku, WRONG, they had two minutes and they did an entire 10 episode battle within that time period.

Originally posted by carver9
Nice scans if it was combat speed.

Originally posted by carver9
You do know that quicksilver was across the world (in genosha) and magneto wanted him to leave a letter at professor door and magneto sat the letter on the table and was poring himself some coffee and quicksilver grabbed the letter, ran and knocked at the professor door, dropped the letter at the door and ran back to genosha. But the amazing thing about this was that he made it back before magneto got through poring his coffee. Which one is more amazing to you.

With all that said, quicksilver would still get thrashed by goku.

You really want to get into that whole debacle in the other thread here?

Wanna provide some proof of Cell doing anything like Superman or quicksilver did?

Oh wow, he went a few feet and waited. That's impressive. 🙄

Better feats of speed please.

Originally posted by carver9
You were right about the krillin and roshi fight. Frieza and goku, WRONG, they had two minutes and they did an entire 10 episode battle within that time period.

Frieza said it was 5 minutes. But that seems hihgly unlikely since before the planet blew up, All the Namek were resurrected, Vegeta talked to SSJ Goku, Dende wished for everyone on Namek except for Goku and Frieza to be telported to Earth. The main reason the fight dragged on for so long was because of all the standing around and screaming.

Hey carver.

Can the Specter defeat Goku?

Originally posted by carver9
Nice scans if it was combat speed. You do know that quicksilver was across the world (in genosha) and magneto wanted him to leave a letter at professor door and magneto sat the letter on the table and was poring himself some coffee and quicksilver grabbed the letter, ran and knocked at the professor door, dropped the letter at the door and ran back to genosha. But the amazing thing about this was that he made it back before magneto got through poring his coffee. Which one is more amazing to you.

With all that said, quicksilver would still get thrashed by goku.

I want you to look at these speed feats and tell me if you think that superman could do the same thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IqmPj0L31Y

Originally posted by Rorschach
Hey carver.

Can the Specter defeat Goku?

Yes; he would destroy goku. No comment on that one. Spectre dont have to physically fight you.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes; he would destroy goku. No comment on that one. Spectre dont have to physically fight you.

Originally posted by carver9
I want you to look at these speed feats and tell me if you think that superman could do the same thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IqmPj0L31Y

It depends.

What speed were they fighting at? I guess you can't really tell since it wasn't stated. 😐

I might as well say that Enishi and Sōjirō are faster than Superman. They too disappear and reappear at blinding speeds!

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh yes, because plugging someone's ears with cotton catching an attack and disarming a person couldn't in any way shape or form translate into combat. 🙄

Gee, I guess that takes Goku's speed down to quicksilver's level doesn't it?

You really want to get into that whole debacle in the other thread here?

Wanna provide some proof of Cell doing anything like Superman or quicksilver did?

Oh wow, he went a few feet and waited. That's impressive. 🙄

Better feats of speed please.

Flight speed, naah cant prove any because they really didnt need a reason for flight speed in dragonball z. Combat speed. Have plenty of that. Never had a reason to fly super fast.

Lifting strength. Naah dont really have much of that either since they never had a reason to lift anything or throw anything at there opponents due to it be none effective. BUT i can tell by there punches that they had super human strength. And i can tell with them lifting weights in 100 times and 500 times earth gravity that they were super strong.

Originally posted by carver9
I want you to look at these speed feats and tell me if you think that superman could do the same thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IqmPj0L31Y

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Originally posted by Rorschach
It depends.

What speed were they fighting at? I guess you can't really tell since it wasn't stated. 😐

I might as well say that Enishi and Sōjirō are faster than Superman. They too disappear and reappear at blinding speeds!

Again, use this same argument against superman -- or anyone in comics. How hard did superman punch "x" to send him into low orbit? Its not stated, but we know he did it. You cannot deny gokus raw speed simply becaues there was no teleprompter to give you a live update. Evidence that does no exist in entertainment mediums.

Originally posted by Rorschach
It depends.

What speed were they fighting at? I guess you can't really tell since it wasn't stated. 😐

I might as well say that Enishi and Sōjirō are faster than Superman. They too disappear and reappear at blinding speeds!

They do disappear and reappear but i have never seen blast go directly through them. I have never seen them stand there while fists are going through there body like they were a ghost. I have never seen them dodge a 1000 punches coming at them like it was nothing.

Thats the difference.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Again, use this same argument against superman -- or anyone in comics. How hard did superman punch "x" to send him into low orbit? Its not stated, but we know he did it. You cannot deny gokus raw speed simply becaues there was no teleprompter to give you a live update. Evidence that does no exist in entertainment mediums.

I know Superman punched someone out of orbit because that character said he was out of orbit and you could clearly see that the character was off the planet. He hit the character hard enough to send out of orbit, and that's pretty strong punch.

I know Goku is fast, it's just not stated how fast he's moving in that video.

Originally posted by carver9
They do disappear and reappear but i have never seen blast go directly through them. I have never seen them stand there while fists are going through there body like they were a ghost. I have never seen them dodge a 1000 punches coming at them like it was nothing.

Thats the difference.

1000 punches?

Where did that number come from?

And Doomsday's lightning, fire, attacks just passed through Superman. Though some say that's because he was using super-speed to turn intangible.

Originally posted by Rorschach
I know Superman punched someone out of orbit because that character said he was out of orbit and you could clearly see that the character was off the planet. He hit the character hard enough to send out of orbit, and that's pretty strong punch.

I know Goku is fast, it's just not stated how fast he's moving in that video.

Essentally my point
You can clearly see he is out of orbit
you know he was strong enough to punch him out of orbit. But how strong was the punch? He didnt state the exact PSI. Obviously, asking for that is rediculous
In the same token that asking for an exact number on how fast goku is going when he zips accross like lightning is equally rediculous.

Originally posted by carver9
Flight speed,

I'll repeat my self:

"He plugged Lois's ears with cotton before the sonic boom occured. And she never noticed."

If you can't see how a precise placement of an object like that translates into combat speed, then I'm affraid that you're doing the same thing that Phenomenol did by saying that that Odin fight was metaphorical.

Flight speed is simply moving his body, combat speed also entails accomplishing manual dexterity at high speeds.

Originally posted by carver9
naah cant prove any because they really didnt need a reason for flight speed in dragonball z. Combat speed. Have plenty of that. Never had a reason to fly super fast.

Originally posted by carver9
Lifting strength. Naah dont really have much of that either since they never had a reason to lift anything or throw anything at there opponents due to it be none effective.

I'm sure you'd accept the answers you're giving right?

Originally posted by carver9
BUT i can tell by there punches that they had super human strength. And i can tell with them lifting weights in 100 times and 500 times earth gravity that they were super strong.

Changing your story are we?