End up in Hell if you stole a Penny ?

The basis of the question is would you End up in Hell if you steal a penny?

Now..for the sake of avoiding repetitive and circular arguments, as well as semantics and loose circumstances, I will clarify the confines of the question, so i can get a straight answer:

Let's say a child grows up in a (Christian, Jewish, or Muslim) household, and this child specifically adheres to the teachings of either (the Torah, Bible, or Quran, whichever u beleive) to the best they can, always conciously, and this child's parents have a strict discipline to thier basis of Faith.

The child grows upto teenage years, having never disobeyed a rule, not conciously, always having the intent to serve thier God, to obey thier parents and live by thier Faith as best he or she can.

But one day, this teenager, sees a person drop thier penny on the floor, and steals it.

The stole.

They have sinned, with intention.

They die the day after, without having sed they are sorry, without the slighest bit of remourse, but knowing they have done something against the discipline of thier Faith.

Will this person end up in Hell ? For one sin ? Why or why not ?

* I sincerely Hope someone with brains gets the intent of this question....otherwise, I give up 🙄

well i do know that by muslim belief. your VIRTUES{shudnt just be GOOD acts, can be simply offering prayer/cleaning yourself/not swaying from islam} will be weighed against your sins{deviances from islam} on the day of judgement.

so i doubt willingly stealing a coin and not feeling sorry for it wud tip the balance. although, in the real world, the teenage boy would have his left hand cut without fail for any stealing, small or big. followed by his right hand on the second offence, then left foot on the third offence and finally right foot on the fourth one. kinda wierd.

i kinda get what ur getting at here. i think its sorta the thing that WILLINGLY/knowingly disreguarding relegion means you have disbelieved and not asking for forgiveness reinforces that. i suppose its hazy, but in abrahamic relegions the child might go to hell.

So assuming you mean this person is saved up unto this point this person would go to heaven because the God's grace extends past the moment of salvation. Naturally, they will have to give an account of the event to God and will receive loss for the deed, but his/her salvation is guaranteed. Therefore the deed only take away from the reward, not the salvation.

The point is that many Christians and Muslims (and some Jews) beleive that the reason there is Hell is because of our "sinfulness". And the only way to be saved is either through Jesus, or Allah.

But I am questioning what "sinfulness" actually means, and at what point does sinfulness warrant Hell ?

If someone did nothing their entire life, and then stole a penny, would they end up in Hell?

If someone was in a coma from age 7 to age 21, and then he stole something, then died right after, would he go to Hell ?

Christians like yourself, JIA, and Marcello, and others will often argue that because of our "sinfulness" we are on a path to Hell.

People like myself, and others, have not committed murder, rape, or anything warranting eternal suffering.

The worst any of us have ever done was insult someone, lie, or maybe even steal, not to mention have "immoral" sex out of marriage.

You won't get severe punishment or the death penalty for any of those things by Law. You won't get tortured either.

So how do you end up in Hell for those things ?

Christianity poses so many logical issues...

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
The [b]basis of the question is would you End up in Hell if you steal a penny?

Now..for the sake of avoiding repetitive and circular arguments, as well as semantics and loose circumstances, I will clarify the confines of the question, so i can get a straight answer:

Let's say a child grows up in a (Christian, Jewish, or Muslim) household, and this child specifically adheres to the teachings of either (the Torah, Bible, or Quran, whichever u beleive) to the best they can, always conciously, and this child's parents have a strict discipline to thier basis of Faith.

The child grows upto teenage years, having never disobeyed a rule, not conciously, always having the intent to serve thier God, to obey thier parents and live by thier Faith as best he or she can.

But one day, this teenager, sees a person drop thier penny on the floor, and steals it.

The stole.

They have sinned, with intention.

They die the day after, without having sed they are sorry, without the slighest bit of remourse, but knowing they have done something against the discipline of thier Faith.

Will this person end up in Hell ? For one sin ? Why or why not ?

* I sincerely Hope someone with brains gets the intent of this question....otherwise, I give up 🙄 [/B]

I would go say I'm sorry to a pastor and everything would be all better.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
But I am questioning what "sinfulness" actually means, and at what point does sinfulness warrant Hell ?

Yes, you're going to hell.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
The [b]basis of the question is would you End up in Hell if you steal a penny?

Now..for the sake of avoiding repetitive and circular arguments, as well as semantics and loose circumstances, I will clarify the confines of the question, so i can get a straight answer:

Let's say a child grows up in a (Christian, Jewish, or Muslim) household, and this child specifically adheres to the teachings of either (the Torah, Bible, or Quran, whichever u beleive) to the best they can, always conciously, and this child's parents have a strict discipline to thier basis of Faith.

The child grows upto teenage years, having never disobeyed a rule, not conciously, always having the intent to serve thier God, to obey thier parents and live by thier Faith as best he or she can.

But one day, this teenager, sees a person drop thier penny on the floor, and steals it.

The stole.

They have sinned, with intention.

They die the day after, without having sed they are sorry, without the slighest bit of remourse, but knowing they have done something against the discipline of thier Faith.

Will this person end up in Hell ? For one sin ? Why or why not ?

* I sincerely Hope someone with brains gets the intent of this question....otherwise, I give up 🙄 [/B]

You original premise contradicts your "challenging" statement. If someone truly was a Christian who for all intents and purposes follows the Christian faith, why wouldn't they apologise for every sin regardless of how big small, or if they can remember it or not????? 😕 That's a core part of being a Christian, recognising that throughout our life we sin many times, big, small, forgettable or in memorable ways, but the point is if we are truly sorry we can find repentance due to the sacrifice Jesus made for us.

1. Only God can judge who is destroyed

2. Hell doens´t exist and is NEVER mentioned in any of the original texts, Sheol and Hades are mistranslated to scare the crap out of people to join the corrupt, power hungry catholic church.

✅ Hell is the label we have given it ✅

Interestingly enough, many think of Hell as burning lakes of fire and sulphur (Mostly due to the reference of the lake of fire in John's Revelation.) However in the four gospels, Jesus references to Hell were used as an analogy to a rubbish dump outside the city walls. many scholars think that Jesus was trying to tell his disciples that Hell was like a rubbish dump where the garbage was thrown away ✅

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My understanding has always been that in the Hebraic and Rabbinic texts, Sheol is the "Void" (mentioned in Gen. 1:2) where all human souls go until the coming of the Messiah?

BTW: Hell was originally the name of a Germanic goddess, no?

Originally posted by Nellinator
Since this seems to be your main question... I would say sinfulness excludes you from heaven when it is not forgiven. The blood of Jesus washes all sins from the past and covers sins of the future. However, those sins make Judgment Day less rewarding to say the least.

You don't get my point. If all your sins are "small ones" then why do you deserve eternal suffering? That's drastic, rediculous, and injust.

Would you say it was injust for a man to get his hand cut off for stealing a book ?

If not, then why should he burn in hell for it ?

Originally posted by Melcórë
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My understanding has always been that in the Hebraic and Rabbinic texts, Sheol is the "Void" (mentioned in Gen. 1:2) where all human souls go until the coming of the Messiah?

BTW: Hell was originally the name of a Germanic goddess, no?

I was referring to Jesus's teaching on hell and what it is like, but yeah Sheol is the Hebrew understanding of a hereafter ✅

As for the word "Hell" I'm afraid I wouldn't have a clue, I just know it came in at a much later date and went by a different name beforehand. I'd have to wiki it 😄

Originally posted by willRules
I was referring to Jesus's teaching on hell and what it is like, but yeah Sheol is the Hebrew understanding of a hereafter ✅

As for the word "Hell" I'm afraid I wouldn't have a clue, I just know it came in at a much later date and went by a different name beforehand. I'd have to wiki it 😄

That's what I thought.

Yes, I've referenced. "Hell" (or "Hel"😉 was the name of a Germanic death-goddess and her abode, thus its use by Christians as the abode of the damned.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
[b]You don't get my point. If all your sins are "small ones" then why do you deserve eternal suffering? That's drastic, rediculous, and injust.

Would you say it was injust for a man to get his hand cut off for stealing a book ?

If not, then why should he burn in hell for it ? [/B]

According to Christian teaching a sin is a sin. The all powerful, all knowing, all loving God has far better authority to judge and decide how "bad" a sin is. According to Christian teaching, one sin isn't worse than the other, what's bad is the fact that we have sinned at all!!! But the whole point is that it isn't game over. Jesus is our hope of a redemption and salvation ✅

Originally posted by Melcórë
That's what I thought.

Yes, I've referenced. "Hell" (or "Hel"😉 was the name of a Germanic death-goddess and her abode, thus its use by Christians as the abode of the damned.

Right, cool 😄

Originally posted by willRules
According to Christian teaching a sin is a sin. The all powerful, all knowing, all loving God has far better authority to judge and decide how "bad" a sin is. According to Christian teaching, one sin isn't worse than the other, what's bad is the fact that we have sinned at all!!! But the whole point is that it isn't game over. Jesus is our hope of a redemption and salvation ✅

For a person to go to Hell for stealing a penny, is injustice.

Like I said before...if a person steals a book, should you cut off their hand ?

Likewise, if a person steals a book, or penny, or whatever...should they suffer for all eternity ?

Your God, and the concept of Hell, are completely illogical.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
For a person to go to Hell for stealing a penny, is injustice.

Like I said before...if a person steals a book, should you cut off their hand ?

Likewise, if a person steals a book, or penny, or whatever...should they suffer for all eternity ?

Your God, and the concept of Hell, are completely illogical.

Well I trust in an all powerful, all loving God. I respect his judgement and authority much more than those who would spend their time cutting off each other's hands ✅

Originally posted by willRules
Well I trust in an all powerful, all loving God. I respect his judgement and authority much more than those who would spend their time cutting off each other's hands ✅

Humans would cut eachother's hands off, while God would send someone to Eternal Hellfire as a punishment for the same crime.

I don't beleive what you beleive, because your sense of justice is unreasonable.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Humans would cut eachother's hands off, while God would send someone to Eternal Hellfire as a punishment for the same crime.

I don't beleive what you beleive, because your sense of justice is unreasonable.

Well again, you have an issue with God's sense of judgement. But I believe that God is all powerful and all loving. There couldn't be anything more just than God. He created justice, he knows what it is better than we do. ✅