End up in Hell if you stole a Penny ?

Originally posted by Nellinator
You may be closer now than before without you knowing it. Perhaps God is moving in you more now without you knowing, perhaps there is more prayer for you, perhaps Satan is working less against you because he already won... There are many things that we'll never know. Your life as a "believer" didn't seem to involve a healthy relationship with God. It seems more like an immature "I believe because my parents do" type of thing from what I've demised.

in other words, a "god of gaps" then.

Nope... note close(R). 😉

Naturally.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
So you actually beleive a Gay/bisexual, promiscious Buddhist, who has slight anger issues, is close to God ?

😆

God loves everyone, a father (Unless he's screwed in the head) wouldn't hate his son because he turned gay, or had anger issues.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
in other words, a "god of gaps" then.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Actually no. That's more of a "God works in mysterious ways" thing.

You may be closer now than before without you knowing it. Perhaps God is moving in you more now without you knowing, perhaps there is more prayer for you, perhaps Satan is working less against you because he already won... There are many things that we'll never know. Your life as a "believer" didn't seem to involve a healthy relationship with God. It seems more like an immature "I believe because my parents do" type of thing from what I've demised.

your using "perhaps" there a lot. not to mention your leaning towards vague highly unlikely conclusions, from little direct evidence for those SPECIFIC conclusions to hold true. as opposed to the vastly more obvious conclusions based on much clearer evidence. sounds like a god of gaps to me.{plus you ARE basically supporting the idea of god working in mysterious ways}

The term "God works in mysterious ways wouldn't be true if there were proof, evidence, and reason for his workings 😐

Congrats, btw. You can quote now 😛

Originally posted by leonheartmm
your using "perhaps" there a lot. not to mention your leaning towards vague highly unlikely conclusions, from little direct evidence for those SPECIFIC conclusions to hold true. as opposed to the vastly more obvious conclusions based on much clearer evidence. sounds like a god of gaps to me.{plus you ARE basically supporting the idea of god working in mysterious ways}

Originally posted by Nellinator
Perhaps = I don't know for sure because I don't know Kali's actual life situation and I'm not God. And yes I am supporting that because He does work in mysterious ways. If you think you can manage six billion people using the conventional methods of humans you should run for a high government position.

hence that supports my previous conclusion of you referring to a god of gaps.

and personally, i dont think the human race is doing too well right now{or ever}. makes me think there isnt any manager. or one who is actively working for the detriment of his client, bringing out the worst in her/him when there is infact the potential for so much good.

Gaps infers something that science can't fill. That not really applicable to the situation. Unless you are using it in a different sense, in which case then you correct.

God isn't the only one working in the world and God is the one that people listen to least.

gaps can also be gaps in reasoning. understanding{not to be taken in mocking way}, sensing. cause-affect.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
It's only hatred to torture someone if you hate them ? 😬

But it's okay to torture someone if you love them ?

And no, no one chooses to go to Hell. If the Nazis attack me, and send me to a concentration camp, I didn't choose to go there. They forced me to.

But the Nazi party sent people to concentration camps for not conforming to their standards through being outside their idealogical standards of race, people with specific sexual preferences, asocials etc etc

Now you may argue that God could be used as a similar analogy for sending people to hell for sinning and not conforming to his standards. However we tend to forget that his standards are not unfair, cruel or unjust. Technically we wouldn't have any argument in our defence whatsoever if God (instead of sending Jesus to die for us) just chucked us all straight into hell. He is a perfect and fair God and logically if we can't conform to the standards he set for us then we are the ones who aren't being fair.

But the whole point is that God is not vengeful or full of hate. Whilst we are the sinful, disobedient creatures who reject an all loving God and deserve hell, he still loved us enough to send his son to us as a sacrifice for our sins so that we don't have to suffer in hell ✅

Originally posted by willRules
But the Nazi party sent people to concentration camps for not conforming to their standards through being outside their idealogical standards of race, people with specific sexual preferences, asocials etc etc

Now you may argue that God could be used as a similar analogy for sending people to hell for sinning and not conforming to his standards. However we tend to forget that his standards are not unfair, cruel or unjust. Technically we wouldn't have any argument in our defence whatsoever if God (instead of sending Jesus to die for us) just chucked us all straight into hell. He is a perfect and fair God and logically if we can't conform to the standards he set for us then we are the ones who aren't being fair.

But the whole point is that God is not vengeful or full of hate. Whilst we are the sinful, disobedient creatures who reject an all loving God and deserve hell, he still loved us enough to send his son to us as a sacrifice for our sins so that we don't have to suffer in hell ✅

Originally posted by willRules
But the Nazi party sent people to concentration camps for not conforming to their standards through being outside their idealogical standards of race, people with specific sexual preferences, asocials etc etc

Now you may argue that God could be used as a similar analogy for sending people to hell for sinning and not conforming to his standards. However we tend to forget that his standards are not unfair, cruel or unjust. Technically we wouldn't have any argument in our defence whatsoever if God (instead of sending Jesus to die for us) just chucked us all straight into hell. He is a perfect and fair God and logically if we can't conform to the standards he set for us then we are the ones who aren't being fair.

But the whole point is that God is not vengeful or full of hate. Whilst we are the sinful, disobedient creatures who reject an all loving God and deserve hell, he still loved us enough to send his son to us as a sacrifice for our sins so that we don't have to suffer in hell ✅

So the concentration camps would have been OK if the victims were chosen based on a different standard? It wouldn't have been an atrocity if the prisoners had been chosen because they disagreed with a giant invisible man on how to live their life?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
The [b]basis of the question is would you End up in Hell if you steal a penny?

Now..for the sake of avoiding repetitive and circular arguments, as well as semantics and loose circumstances, I will clarify the confines of the question, so i can get a straight answer:

Let's say a child grows up in a (Christian, Jewish, or Muslim) household, and this child specifically adheres to the teachings of either (the Torah, Bible, or Quran, whichever u beleive) to the best they can, always conciously, and this child's parents have a strict discipline to thier basis of Faith.

The child grows upto teenage years, having never disobeyed a rule, not conciously, always having the intent to serve thier God, to obey thier parents and live by thier Faith as best he or she can.

But one day, this teenager, sees a person drop thier penny on the floor, and steals it.

The stole.

They have sinned, with intention.

They die the day after, without having sed they are sorry, without the slighest bit of remourse, but knowing they have done something against the discipline of thier Faith.

Will this person end up in Hell ? For one sin ? Why or why not ?

* I sincerely Hope someone with brains gets the intent of this question....otherwise, I give up 🙄 [/B]

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
No 'cause God is smart enough to know that a penny doesn't amount to shi*t.

Billions of dollars don't amount to shi*t in the big picture.

Originally posted by Jbill311
So the concentration camps would have been OK if the victims were chosen based on a different standard? It wouldn't have been an atrocity if the prisoners had been chosen because they disagreed with a giant invisible man on how to live their life?

I have already answered this here.........

Originally posted by willRules
Now you may argue that God could be used as a similar analogy for sending people to hell for sinning and not conforming to his standards. However we tend to forget that his standards are not unfair, cruel or unjust. Technically we wouldn't have any argument in our defence whatsoever if God (instead of sending Jesus to die for us) just chucked us all straight into hell. He is a perfect and fair God and logically if we can't conform to the standards he set for us then we are the ones who aren't being fair.

But the whole point is that God is not vengeful or full of hate. Whilst we are the sinful, disobedient creatures who reject an all loving God and deserve hell, he still loved us enough to send his son to us as a sacrifice for our sins so that we don't have to suffer in hell ✅

Originally posted by willRules
I have already answered this here.........

But your answer is illogical, and equates too a "just because" type answer.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But your answer is illogical, and equates too a "just because" type answer.

I never said you'd like the answer. But hey, truth hurts 😛

Originally posted by willRules
I never said you'd like the answer. But hey, truth hurts 😛

If you are ok with that, then... I have a different standard.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
[b]You don't get my point. If all your sins are "small ones" then why do you deserve eternal suffering? That's drastic, rediculous, and injust.

Would you say it was injust for a man to get his hand cut off for stealing a book ?

If not, then why should he burn in hell for it ? [/B]

Well, of course it's unjust, that's an obvious answer. You seem to be hell bent in making these type of threads. Just to play "Devils Advocate" with Christians, why? 😕