End up in Hell if you stole a Penny ?

Originally posted by Marchello
[B]*["The 'Word of God' was written by man, man which is a sinner therefore the word of god is written by sinners so how can that be 'true'? 😕"

***"ALL Scripture is given by INSPIRATION of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" [2 Timothy 3:16]. The sinners that wrote these verses were "forgiven" sinners [i.e., saints of God]...and Jesus Christ remembers their sins NO MORE.

Marchello [/B]

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Inspiration not dictation, MAJOR difference, man with his limited understanding and flaws were trying to write down what God “inspired” him to write and you don’t think there are any flaws in the Bible? 😕 Were these “saints” perfect? Why didn’t Jesus write his own Bible, then there couldn’t be any debate, couldn’t he write? Do you really believe that everything in the Bible is the absolute truth?

I don't think he could write. Read, yes, but writing was something only scribes did.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I’m sorry, but I don’t really understand what you are getting at. Could you make it simple for me? To help, I am including the definition for the words, hypocrite and arrogance.

Hypocrite = somebody who gives a false appearance of having admirable principles, beliefs, or feelings.

Arrogance = a strong feeling of proud self-importance that is expressed by treating other people with contempt or disregard

There are definitions, and there are derivations of definitions. I spoke on the (possible) derivation of those words.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
There are definitions, and there are derivations of definitions. I spoke on the (possible) derivation of those words.

What are the derivations of those words?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't think he could write. Read, yes, but writing was something only scribes did.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Ya figure that the son of God could write is own book 😕

He never wrote anything. 🙄

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Ya figure that the son of God could write is own book 😕

🙄

Why doesn't he just go the whole way and eliminate free will whilst he's at it??????

Originally posted by willRules
🙄

Why doesn't he just go the whole way and eliminate free will whilst he's at it??????

What does free will have to do with Jesus not being able to write?

*["I don't care about what you and the bible are saying."]

***Of course you care...because if you DIDN'T care you would NOT become so agitated at what I quote from the Scriptures: "For the Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing assunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a DISCERNER of the THOUGHTS and INTENTS of the HEART. Neither is there any creature that is NOT manifest in His sight: but ALL things are NAKED and OPENED unto the EYES of HIM with whom we have to do" [Hebrews 4:12-13].

The fact of the matter is you FEAR what the Word of God says about your CONDITION and POSITION before Him...that you are a BORN sinner [Psalms 51:5;Romans 3:10-11] like the rest of humanity [Romans 3:23]...but you DENY that you are. It is THIS denial that will send you to an ETERNAL HELL if you do NOT repent of it and see yourself for what you REALLY ARE--->a SINNER in need of the saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.

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*["What I'm trying to get across to you is, what if you are wrong. What if you are the problem instead of everyone else?"]

***I have NOTHING to do with the PROBLEM at hand. Too, I never make a statement predicated on my own OPINION...I only quote what the Scriptures say. You do NOT believe in the Word of God and DENY it's validity and reject Jesus Christ...and thus have a PROBLEM with what I quote from the Scriptures and say they are wrong. Your PROBLEM then is NOT with me...but with the Word of God which you DENY is the Word of God.

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*["If you don't take responsibility for your life, including all the flaws, you will never have the power to change it."]

***Man's PROBLEM is NOT caused by his "flaws"...but by his SIN [i.e., Man is a BORN SINNER...Psalms 51:5]...and ALL of his problems stem from that. He SINS because he is a SINNER [i.e., my dog is a dog...and because he is a dog he BARKS and does his "job" on my lawn in the backyard]. The world's PROBLEMS are the RESULT of his SINFUL nature...he is TOTALLY depraved. Man CANNOT and WILL NOT "change"...nor does he have the POWER to "change" because he is DEAD in SIN and INCAPABLE of "change." He must first have a CHANGE "in NATURE" to "change." That is why God sent His SON Jesus...to FORGIVE us our SINS and, thus, "change" our NATURE by making us NEW CREATURES by a "new birth" [John 3:1-12].

You MUST be BORN a SECOND time to have your SINFUL nature "changed"...and you CANNOT do this without the saving GRACE of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Marchello

Originally posted by willRules
🙄

Why doesn't he just go the whole way and eliminate free will whilst he's at it??????

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What does free will have to do with Jesus not being able to write?

Why do people use others to write their words is because either they can not or they are not skilled writers and want someone else to use their skills to express their view so now if you are the son of God you should be able to express yourself very well or you would think.

Originally posted by Marchello
***Of course you care...because if you DIDN'T care you would NOT become so agitated at what I quote from the Scriptures: "For the Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing assunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a DISCERNER of the THOUGHTS and INTENTS of the HEART. Neither is there any creature that is NOT manifest in His sight: but ALL things are NAKED and OPENED unto the EYES of HIM with whom we have to do" [Hebrews 4:12-13].

The fact of the matter is you FEAR what the Word of God says about your CONDITION and POSITION before Him...that you are a BORN sinner [Psalms 51:5;Romans 3:10-11] like the rest of humanity [Romans 3:23]...but you DENY that you are. It is THIS denial that will send you to an ETERNAL HELL if you do NOT repent of it and see yourself for what you REALLY ARE--->a SINNER in need of the saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I never read any of the scripture you post because I don’t care about what the bible says or does not say. Your interpretation is the problem. I assume that you have the same problems in the rest of your life that you do here. I am only trying to help you, but if you can’t understand what I am saying then you will always suffer.

Originally posted by Marchello
***I have NOTHING to do with the PROBLEM at hand. Too, I never make a statement predicated on my own OPINION...I only quote what the Scriptures say. You do NOT believe in the Word of God and DENY it's validity and reject Jesus Christ...and thus have a PROBLEM with what I quote from the Scriptures and say they are wrong. Your PROBLEM then is NOT with me...but with the Word of God which you DENY is the Word of God.

Your attempt to separate yourself form your actions are just denial of the fact you have the chose to say or not say. If you use the bible as a weapon, then war and hate is all you will get in return. It is all your doing.

Originally posted by Marchello
***Man's PROBLEM is NOT caused by his "flaws"...but by his SIN [i.e., Man is a BORN SINNER...Psalms 51:5]...and ALL of his problems stem from that. He SINS because he is a SINNER [i.e., my dog is a dog...and because he is a dog he BARKS and does his "job" on my lawn in the backyard]. The world's PROBLEMS are the RESULT of his SINFUL nature...he is TOTALLY depraved. Man CANNOT and WILL NOT "change"...nor does he have the POWER to "change" because he is DEAD in SIN and INCAPABLE of "change." He must first have a CHANGE "in NATURE" to "change." That is why God sent His SON Jesus...to FORGIVE us our SINS and, thus, "change" our NATURE by making us NEW CREATURES by a "new birth" [John 3:1-12].

You MUST be BORN a SECOND time to have your SINFUL nature "changed"...and you CANNOT do this without the saving GRACE of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Marchello

If you don't take responsibility for your life, including all the flaws, you will never have the power to change it. Stop hiding from yourself.

I’ve never understood that concept of being “born again”, as what Marchello says that if a baby is born and then dies they will go to hell because they are a born sinner but the don’t get the chance to be “born again”. Seems a bit harsh to me, if Gods law to pass down the sins of the father onto the son then by all rights the crimes that his father and fathers before him committed he should be responsible for as well if this is just law from God.

*["I never read any of the scripture you post because I don’t care about what the bible says or does not say. Your interpretation is the problem..."]

***Please tell me how my INTERPRETATION can be a PROBLEM to you...if you "NEVER read any of the scripture" that I post! Are you DAFT? You are lying through your teeth! How can you have a PROBLEM you know NOTHING about? IMPOSSIBLE...IMPOSSIBLE...IMPOSSIBLE! I
submit sir...you have a REAL problem...and it is not ONLY with the Scriptures either.

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*["I assume that you have the same problems in the rest of your life that you do here..."]

***I don't have any problems here. In point of fact things are no different here than any other place on the planet. Just because people on this board disagree with my point of view on things does not mean that they hate me personally...only the God that I worship and adore. They [and you] can think as you want...it's a free country, you know. I have never advocated that anyone on these boards does not have a right to their opinion...only that I vehemently disagree with their opinion based on God's Word.

As to your assumption that I have the same problems in my personal as I have here, you are greatly mistaken. You do not know me at all. I live in a small town in Idaho [Coeur d'Alene], am married, have two children and own my own home and am comfortable financially. I go to a small Fundamentalist Baptist church and love the people in my community...Christian and NON-Christian alike. However, I do not compromise when it comes to my religious beliefs and I tell people that up front. That avoids alot of misunderstanding.

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*["I am only trying to help you, but if you can’t understand what I am saying then you will always suffer."]

***I understand fully what you are trying to say...but you have NOTHING to offer. Besides, I am NOT suffering

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*["Your attempt to separate yourself form your actions are just denial of the fact you have the chose to say or not say. If you use the bible as a weapon, then war and hate is all you will get in return. It is all your doing."]

***TRANSLATION: I don't know how to cope with this guy.

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*["If you don't take responsibility for your life, including all the flaws, you will never have the power to change it. Stop hiding from yourself."]

***See my previous post on this.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
***Please tell me how my INTERPRETATION can be a PROBLEM to you...if you "NEVER read any of the scripture" that I post! Are you DAFT? You are lying through your teeth! How can you have a PROBLEM you know NOTHING about? IMPOSSIBLE...IMPOSSIBLE...IMPOSSIBLE! I
submit sir...you have a REAL problem...and it is not ONLY with the Scriptures either.

I read only what you write. Like when you insult people and call them names.

Originally posted by Marchello
***I don't have any problems here. In point of fact things are no different here than any other place on the planet. Just because people on this board disagree with my point of view on things does not mean that they hate me personally...only the God that I worship and adore. They [and you] can think as you want...it's a free country, you know. I have never advocated that anyone on these boards does not have a right to their opinion...only that I vehemently disagree with their opinion based on God's Word.

As to your assumption that I have the same problems in my personal as I have here, you are greatly mistaken. You do not know me at all. I live in a small town in Idaho [Coeur d'Alene], am married, have two children and own my own home and am comfortable financially. I go to a small Fundamentalist Baptist church and love the people in my community...Christian and NON-Christian alike. However, I do not compromise when it comes to my religious beliefs and I tell people that up front. That avoids alot of misunderstanding.

I am still trying to figure out why you are so hateful.

Originally posted by Marchello
***I understand fully what you are trying to say...but you have NOTHING to offer. Besides, I am NOT suffering

Then why are you so hateful on this forum?

Originally posted by Marchello
***TRANSLATION: I don't know how to cope with this guy.

I don’t understand.

Originally posted by Marchello
***See my previous post on this.

Marchello

It would be a waist of my time.

*["I can't answer for Marchello but I'd hope that he can atone for his mistakes and put himself right with the world if he is wrong. If he is wrong and therefore the problem then it would be his call to apologise."]

***Will:

I could NOT and CANNOT atone for my "mistakes" [i.e., a euphemism for SIN]...that is why I needed Jesus Christ to be my Saviour [1 Timothy 2:5]. Too, I need NOT put myself right with the world because the world is EVIL and at ENMITY with God:"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you. The servant is not greater than his lord. If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know NOT Him that sent me. If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin" [John 15:18-22].

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
[B]*["I can't answer for Marchello but I'd hope that he can atone for his mistakes and put himself right with the world if he is wrong. If he is wrong and therefore the problem then it would be his call to apologise."]

***Will:

I could NOT and CANNOT atone for my "mistakes" [i.e., a euphemism for SIN]...that is why I needed Jesus Christ to be my Saviour [1 Timothy 2:5]. Too, I need NOT put myself right with the world because the world is EVIL and at ENMITY with God:"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you. The servant is not greater than his lord. If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know NOT Him that sent me. If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin" [John 15:18-22].

Marchello [/B]

shhh...be quiet

*["I read only what you write. Like when you insult people and call them names."]

***Please point out to me where I have called you names.

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*["I am still trying to figure out why you are so hateful."]

***Please point out where I am hateful.

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*["Then why are you so hateful on this forum?

***Please prove I am hateful.

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*["I don’t understand."]

***What don't you understand?

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*["It would be a waist of my time."]

***Read it...you might like it.

Marchello

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😆 No, women are just animals, and have no souls. 🙄

I was worried there for a minute..sweat

Originally posted by Marchello
...***I understand fully what you are trying to say...but you have NOTHING to offer. Besides, I am NOT suffering...

You live in a world filled with demons and devils. There is a war going on between good and evil and your very soul is at stake. Every person you see in the world is going to hell. You have no future for at any time the world could come to an end. Your children will never grow old and nothing you do in this life is of any real value.

That is what I call suffering.

BTW I cannot prove the sky is blue to a blind man.

*["You live in a world filled with demons and devils. There is a war going on between good and evil and your very soul is at stake. Every person you see in the world is going to hell."]

***Yes, we do live in a world filled with demons and devils...and there IS a spiritual warfare going on between the forces of good and evil...and yes, indeed, YOUR very soul is at stake. However, for the Christian [i.e., those saved by the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord] there is NO FEAR of the future...and we WAIT for Him to COME and TAKE us away from the TRIBULATION that will SOON befall this Christ rejecting world. YOU and the rest of this sinful world will SOON see REAL AGONY and SUFFERING under the ONE you will WELCOME with OPEN arms...and will WILLINGLY take his "mark" on your right hand and forehead [i.e., "666"]--->Antichrist. Those who reject Christ TODAY will WELCOME Antichrist TOMORROW.

The vast MAJORITY of humanity will PERISH in HELL...because the world is at ENMITY with God's Christ and acclaim the "god of this world" [i.e., the Devil...2 Corinthians 4:4] who has deceived them [Revelations 12:9].

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*["You have no future for at any time the world could come to an end. Your children will never grow old and nothing you do in this life is of any real value. That is what I call suffering."].

***Nah. I do not FEAR the future because my Saviour said the following: "...I AM the RESURRECTION, and the LIFE: he that BELIEVETH in ME, though he were DEAD, yet shall he LIVE: and whosoever LIVETH and BELIEVETH in ME shall NEVER die..." [John 11:25]. Too, I have absolutely NO FEAR for my children should they die...for they are BELIEVERS and are ASSURED eternal life THROUGH Jesus Christ our Lord. There is no FEAR of DEATH for the Christian for Our Lord overcame SIN, DEATH and the GRAVE and lives FOREVER MORE and will SOON come in GREAT GLORY and take us [i.e., His BRIDE] AWAY! Then the wrath of God will descend on all unrighteousness on the earth...and YOU will know what REAL suffering is.

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*["BTW I cannot prove the sky is blue to a blind man."]

***It's NOT blue...it only appears blue. Refractory processes taking place in the atmosphere between the gases, light and heat from the sun make the atmosphere appear blue.

As for me being blind...tis you who is blind: "But if our gospel be HID, it is HID to them that are LOST: In whom the GOD OF THIS WORLD hath BLINDED the MINDS of them which BELIEVE NOT, lest the LIGHT of the GLORIOUS gospel of Christ, who is the IMAGE of God, should shine upon them" [2 Corinthians 4:3-4].

Marchello