Originally posted by Shin_NikkolasNo the wide spread damage does differ like I said even Toguro needs to release his Demon energy to to make wide spread effects.
Except that the power of those punches and the power of Cyke's optic blasts both vary immensely.
Colossus can hit as hard or harder than Cyke's beams though in terms of impact damage on the person seeing as Colossus has been able to hurt things Cyke's could not.
Originally posted by Newjak
Seeing as Colossus is immune to magic very good soul protection. Although Toguro never used soul absorption. so it is a moot point anywaysLet's see Colossus has taken shots from Cyclops and Havok both of whom have easily reproduced the effect of that Spirit Gun.
He has fallen from over a mile from the sky completely unhurt.
He has taken Repulsor blasts from Ironman who could easily exceed what Hiei did there.
The guy has stood in an active Volcano and broken Vibranium before.
All of these feats are greater or at the very least equal to what Toguro took and those aren't even Colossus' best showings.
No Colossus has never punched something and caused as great as collateral damage as the Spirit gun you wouldn't expect a punch to be able to do that even Toguro has to release his Demon Energy to cause wide spread damage like that.
But on the other hand Colossus' punches have been able to hurt people that Cyclops own blasts couldn't do so in terms of power I say Colossus could easily knock Toguro for a loop.
By the way Toguro wasn't that fast.
Are you JOKING? 🤨
Hiei was multitudes faster than anything you'd see Colossus pull off at the beginning of the series. By the time the dark tournement rolled around Yuske was at his enhnaced level of speed and Teguro was keeping up with him.. 😐
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
This is a post from another person. I don't read manga but whatever. I'll make good use of it.To understand exactly how fast Toguro is, you need to go back quite a distance. A good start is the Saint Beasts Arc.
second. Using even the lowest numbers possible, that means Saint Beasts Hiei is capable of cutting thousands of times per second.
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So basically, Saint Beasts Hiei is capable of cutting a guy 16 times before he can punch once. This same guy is capable of punching hundreds of times in a [B]splitYusuke is later able to match a more powerful version of Hiei several volumes later in the manga (although he probably matches Saint Beasts Hiei earlier on):
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http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/329/yuuyuuhakushovol6c07pagfn4.pngToguro fights evenly with a Yusuke that is even faster than the one at the beginning of the Tournament. Not to mention that Yusuke becomes far faster even during the fight with Toguro, and Toguro responds with increases in speed and power.
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Originally posted by jinzinOhhh they could hit fast yeah Bruce Lee could hit someone multiple times in a second Wolverine can hit people multiple times in a second but their running speed and actual speed have never been that impressive compared to most low meta comic book characters 😐
Are you JOKING? 🤨Hiei was multitudes faster than anything you'd see Colossus pull off at the beginning of the series. By the time the dark tournement rolled around Yuske was at his enhnaced level of speed and Teguro was keeping up with him.. 😐
Originally posted by Newjak
Seeing as Colossus' punches are as good as Cyclop's attacks which were better than that Spirit Gun I think that he could hurt Toguro.
Originally posted by Newjak
And by speed I mean that it wasn't like Toguro was can run around at that speed and I know what Episode you are talking about with the Blue Dragon. Plus Toguro never showed he could hit 16 times per second in fact the only person who has actually been quantified like that was Hiei.
I think... you're missing the point here...
-It's clear that Hiei can.
-It's clear that Hiei was stronger and faster by quite a large amount by the time that the dark tournement came around.
-We see that Yusuke can clearly keep up with Hiei.
-Thus if Teguro wasn't that fast Yusuke would completely own him in h2h through sheer speed alone; even if Yusuke wasn't able to hurt Teguro he never would have had to worry about being hit..
-However, clearly that wasn't the case... why? Because Teguro WAS that fast.. 😐
Originally posted by Newjak
And the magic immunity was showing he had a resistance to the supernatural which oddly enough Demon Energy is unless Yuske wasn't a supernatural detective 😉
Didn't seem to help him to much with Sym or Belasco. 😕
Originally posted by Newjak
Ohhh they could hit fast yeah Bruce Lee could hit someone multiple times in a second Wolverine can hit people multiple times in a second but their running speed and actual speed have never been that impressive compared to most low meta comic book characters 😐
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I don't even know how to respond to this... Moving so fast you look like you're teleporting all around an opponent is not enough sheer speed to convince you?
When's the last time regular metas have pulled that sort of thing off?
When's the last time Colossus has?
Originally posted by jinzinExcept Toguro never actually showed any of that speed he simply used his brute strength the only time he really used any speed was when he torn down that building.I think... you're missing the point here...
-It's clear that Hiei can.
-It's clear that Hiei was stronger and faster by quite a large amount by the time that the dark tournement came around.
-We see that Yusuke can clearly keep up with Hiei.
-Thus if Teguro wasn't that fast Yusuke would completely own him in h2h through sheer speed alone; even if Yusuke wasn't able to hurt Teguro he never would have had to worry about being hit..
-However, clearly that wasn't the case... why? Because Teguro WAS that fast.. 😐Didn't seem to help him to much with Sym or Belasco. 😕
By the way when Hiei was doing that he was using his energy to do so and doesn't normally traverse at that speed niether does Yusuke for that matter.
And actually it did help him with Sym even mentions that his protection against Magic is helping him 😕
Originally posted by Newjak
Not really Cyclops has created craters as big as the one Toguro made before and seeing as Colossus' punches have effected things that Cyclops beams couldn't it isn't a real speculation that Colossus can hit really really hard 😉
Speculation.
Unless you have some way of measuring how much power Cyclops applied and how much force Colossus applied.
Originally posted by Newjak
Except Toguro never actually showed any of that speed he simply used his brute strength the only time he really used any speed was when he torn down that building.
I don't think it had to be said to be clearly displayed...
Again how are you going to try and rationalize his fight with Yusuke then?
Are you under the impression that Yusuke just moves far faster while he's messing around with Hiei than he would in a life or death fight? 🤨
Originally posted by Newjak
By the way when Hiei was doing that he was using his energy to do so and doesn't normally traverse at that speed niether does Yusuke for that matter.
Normally? No..
During fights? Yes...
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It's like Shin said about the whole DBZ style of power levels...
These character's always use energy when they fight, it stands to reason that they would be doing so in a fight here so I fail to see what point you're trying to make here. 😬
Originally posted by NewjakIt certainly didn't seem that way, what with him getting his tale kicked an' all. 😬
And actually it did help him with Sym even mentions that his protection against Magic is helping him 😕
And then we've got Kierrok, who also rocked Colossus to the point that he knocked him unconcious.
Here's my thing.
Teguro's easily strong enough to compete with Colossus - We see this when he carries the new ring into the Dark Tournament, a rock that size would on average easily weigh WELL OVER 100 tons lest it was made from Pummice which I think we can all agree that it wasn't...
And Teguro wasn't even powered up there... he was at what 30%? 40 maybe?
Teguro's easily far superior to Colossus in sheer speed - Aside from the comparisons of saga vs saga, you can clearly see an incredible display of speed in the last pic that SHin posted... It's rather adsurd to think that he won't have an immense speed advantage here unless you're trying to ignore logical steps for the sake of bias.
Teguro's argueably more skilled than Colossus in h2h combat - being an age-old demon who trained alongside the likes of Gen-Kai for years in martial arts... I would think he would have a considerable experience advantage over Colossus as well.
Teguro has the durability to take shots from Colossus - The man shrugged off an incredibly powerful Spirit Gun attack that leveled half an island and arena... A few class 100 shots should be nothing for this guy...
What else is there to say that Colossus would win this fight past some exaggeration to a magical defense he doesn't have to protect his soul?
I think people are coming into this thread thinking "Colossus is metal and the other guy isn't so Colossus wins" when nothing could be further from the truth.
