Although seriously where do find Yusuke outrunning cars or just generally being way to fast for normal humans to follow. In everyone of his fights he can be seen by anyone watching the fight.
He can barely catch up to a truck on a bicycle. I'm not saying he isn't fast but the speed you guys are implying doesn't exist. Yusuke is at best Spider-man level speed and reaction but more than likely around Wolverine level Teguro only showed his speed when he demolished the building.
Keeping up with Yusuke does not equate to speeds Colossus hasn't seen or dealt with before in fact I would say Teguro is slower than Yusuke notice in their fight pretty much every blow Yusuke did landed.
Originally posted by Newjak
Compared to how you are describing his speed yes it isn't that good your best evidence is the Blue Dragon where Hiei cut the guy 16 times before he can punch Hiei.
Why not?
The saint beats speed is recorded in real time, if Heie can jack him with 16 cuts before he finishes one thrust punch that's some indicator of incredibly impressive speed...
you call my argument crap but so far you've done nothing to convince me that I'm wrong save half a dozen "nu-uh" arguments. 😬
Originally posted by Newjak
So I'm sorry but compared to everyother speed feat you can muster for Yusuke and Teguro is at best Wolverine Level You'll have to forgive me if I disagree Teguro is too fast for colossus.
don't tell me you come from the same camp that thinks DBZ characters are on the same level of reflexive speed as Gambit. 🙁
Originally posted by Newjak
I'm not the one making speculations fact teguro isn't faster than Wolverine and there is no evidence to suggest such.
With the exception of character's consistent ability to move so fast during fights they appear as if they're teleporting... 😐
Originally posted by NewjakI'm not even discussing Wolverine vs. Colossus... 😐
Colossus can fight Wolverine just fine. Colossus has taken everything Teguro has shown to be able to dish out before in spades. Colossus is also a very good fighter and isn't a slouch in speed either. They may be roughly equal in strength but Colossus' durability feats speak for themselves.By the way he never got handled by Sas and a Calm Juggernaut would still tear Teguro limb from limb
He hasn't shown he can take the soul sucking.
and what's worse is that his feats against the closest thing to characters from Hakusho are BAD ONES... Look at his fights with Iron Fist.. in one he got humiliated.. the other he flat out lost... there's a pretty clear indication that he doesn't fair to well with chi based attacks...
In spades? Hardly...
the best feats he has are against something comparible to Teguro's strength, but combine Teguro's speed with that and things look grim for C.
Oh yeah he did, he managed to Judo toss Sas afer getting a pretty sound beating, but he WAS getting handled... and Juggernaught can't even catch Shatterstar.. once again, Teguro's speed plays your arguments false.
Originally posted by Newjak
Although seriously where do find Yusuke outrunning cars or just generally being way to fast for normal humans to follow. In everyone of his fights he can be seen by anyone watching the fight.
And most of those people watching are SUPERHUMANS... 😐
even if they're normal humans your totally discarding the fact that it's blatent PIS... Humans watched the Buu fight at the end of DBZ in spite of the fact that Saiybamen were too fast for Gohan to keep track of at the beginning of the series.. Buu must therefore be slower than Saiybamen... 😐
It's absurd...
Originally posted by NewjakUp till he reached 100% but he was still keeping up.. after 100% he was too fast for Yusuke to keep pace with...
He can barely catch up to a truck on a bicycle. I'm not saying he isn't fast but the speed you guys are implying doesn't exist. Yusuke is at best Spider-man level speed and reaction but more than likely around Wolverine level Teguro only showed his speed when he demolished the building.Keeping up with Yusuke does not equate to speeds Colossus hasn't seen or dealt with before in fact I would say Teguro is slower than Yusuke notice in their fight pretty much every blow Yusuke did landed.
He's far too fast for Colossus and comparing him with the likes of Street levels based soley on blatent PIS is laughable.
Tekkeman blade has had trouble catching starfighters in spite of him reaching excape velocity in 4 seconds and ripping through entire armadas no contest.
Guyver couldn't catch a jeep weighed down by 3 hulking monsters in spite of the fact that Guyver runs at a pace far exceeding what a car can produce.
People SAW the BUU FIGHT as it happened...
These are ridiculous story driven examples of PIS and shame on you for pretending that they take precedence over real feats.
Originally posted by jinzinIt is a good feat but not something that automatically says yep he definitely is faster than anything Colossu can compare. Spider-man and Wolverine have all done similar things except their feats generally go about with multiple people not just one.
Why not?The saint beats speed is recorded in real time, if Heie can jack him with 16 cuts before he finishes one thrust punch that's some indicator of incredibly impressive speed...
you call my argument crap but so far you've done nothing to convince me that I'm wrong save half a dozen "nu-uh" arguments. 😬
That's absolutely absurd..
don't tell me you come from the same camp that thinks DBZ characters are on the same level of reflexive speed as Gambit. 🙁
With the exception of character's consistent ability to move so fast during fights they appear as if they're teleporting... 😐
I'm not even discussing Wolverine vs. Colossus... 😐
NO... HE... HASN'THe hasn't shown he can take the soul sucking.
and what's worse is that his feats against the closest thing to characters from Hakusho are BAD ONES... Look at his fights with Iron Fist.. in one he got humiliated.. the other he flat out lost... there's a pretty clear indication that he doesn't fair to well with chi based attacks...
In spades? Hardly...the best feats he has are against something comparible to Teguro's strength, but combine Teguro's speed with that and things look grim for C.
Oh yeah he did, he managed to Judo toss Sas afer getting a pretty sound beating, but he WAS getting handled... and Juggernaught can't even catch Shatterstar.. once again, Teguro's speed plays your arguments false.
And once again that is Hiei I would love for you to actually showcase some feats for Teguro.
And YES HE HAS
Go ahead and name Teguro's best damage feats and I can feats that out Colossus above it.
You can name some low feats all you want but I can name plenty of feats to put him past it anything Teguro can dish out.
And he took Sas's best hits nad wasn't beaten and let's be honest Teguro has no actual speed feats in his match he never even really dodges Yusuke.
By the way did you just say Teguro could beat Juggernaut if you did imply that then you have just lost points. And Juggerbaut has caught Spiderman before so the Shatterstar point is moot.
Originally posted by jinzinSo its PIS when you want it to be is what you are saying.
And most of those people watching are SUPERHUMANS... 😐even if they're normal humans your totally discarding the fact that it's blatent PIS... Humans watched the Buu fight at the end of DBZ in spite of the fact that Saiybamen were too fast for Gohan to keep track of at the beginning of the series.. Buu must therefore be slower than Saiybamen... 😐
It's absurd...
Up till he reached 100% but he was still keeping up.. after 100% he was too fast for Yusuke to keep pace with...
He's far too fast for Colossus and comparing him with the likes of Street levels based soley on blatent PIS is laughable.
Tekkeman blade has had trouble catching starfighters in spite of him reaching excape velocity in 4 seconds and ripping through entire armadas no contest.
Guyver couldn't catch a jeep weighed down by 3 hulking monsters in spite of the fact that Guyver runs at a pace far exceeding what a car can produce.
People SAW the BUU FIGHT as it happened...
These are ridiculous story driven examples of PIS and shame on you for pretending that they take precedence over real feats.
Never in the series were the characters blatantly higher than most Low-Meta Beings in speed. Everyone on of their feats have been reproduced by Spider-man or Wolverine before in terms of speed.
It isn't PIS just the fact that the only time they actually appear to be fast is when they are fighting each other where they are drawn to look fast but when they get compared to anything quantitative they fall fast. Just look at the Truck.
Originally posted by Newjak
Although seriously where do find Yusuke outrunning cars or just generally being way to fast for normal humans to follow. In everyone of his fights he can be seen by anyone watching the fight.
He did outrun a truck. In fact he did it while running through a forest.
He did fight too fast for a normal person to see many many times. They even made a point of it just before the DT. In their first adventure Heie and Kurama moved faster than Yuske or the sword dude could see. By the DT they were all classified as being much more powerful (that is within the shows world as classified by extremely powerful extremely experienced characters)
Originally posted by Newjak
He can barely catch up to a truck on a bicycle. I'm not saying he isn't fast but the speed you guys are implying doesn't exist. Yusuke is at best Spider-man level speed and reaction but more than likely around Wolverine level
Sniper shot dice at them with enough speed to crack a guy's skull and Yuske still managed to dodge. Sniper brought a room's worth of cutlery and latter dozens of leaves to life and Yuske kept dodging even though he'd been chased all day.
They guy is fast. Really. Freaking. Fast.
Originally posted by Newjak
Teguro only showed his speed when he demolished the building.
Or when he actually managed to have a fight with Yusuke.
Strength: About even.
Speed: Toguro by a f*ckin longshot. The guy was fast enough to fight Yusuke, who was much faster than Hiei, who could slach 16 times before another superpowered individual could punch. Also, Yusuke is too fast to go a good speed with a bike, bikes can only do so much as the dude at the top of the page said.
Durability: Bout equal, Toguro easily shrugged off a near island busting attack, and wasn't even at 100%. Also, I think you all forgot one other thing about Toguro, his Healing Factor.
Stamina: I say Toguro, after a long fight with Yusuke, he never got tired from what I remember.
Powers: Toguro has special powers, Collossus does not, pwnt. Toguro has those finger bullets, can kill people with his aura, and eats souls.
H2H skill: Toguro since being a kid was trained in martial arts, and has kept on training, and is now like 70-80 years old.
Experience: Toguro.
Toguro punks Piotr.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosOh yeah the one that obviously was going over what 50 MPH at best because as we all know that is so fast for acomicbook character 🙄
He did outrun a truck. In fact he did it while running through a forest.He did fight too fast for a normal person to see many many times. They even made a point of it just before the DT. In their first adventure Heie and Kurama moved faster than Yuske or the sword dude could see. By the DT they were all classified as being much more powerful (that is within the shows world as classified by extremely powerful extremely experienced characters)
Sniper shot dice at them with enough speed to crack a guy's skull and Yuske still managed to dodge. Sniper brought a room's worth of cutlery and latter dozens of leaves to life and Yuske kept dodging even though he'd been chased all day.
They guy is fast. Really. Freaking. Fast.
Or when he actually managed to have a fight with Yusuke.
All things Spiderman, Wolverine, and even Captain America have done except they do it more often with greater ease and with more people.
I think that is where you guys are getting confused seriously I'm not saying they aren't fast but by comicbook standards they really aren't especially when compared to other people Colossus has fought.
The guy is fast but Colossus isn't a slouch either for someone of that strength.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Strength: About even.Speed: Toguro by a f*ckin longshot. The guy was fast enough to fight Yusuke, who was much faster than Hiei, who could slach 16 times before another superpowered individual could punch. Also, Yusuke is too fast to go a good speed with a bike, bikes can only do so much as the dude at the top of the page said.
Durability: Bout equal, Toguro easily shrugged off a near island busting attack, and wasn't even at 100%. Also, I think you all forgot one other thing about Toguro, his Healing Factor.
Stamina: I say Toguro, after a long fight with Yusuke, he never got tired from what I remember.
Powers: Toguro has special powers, Collossus does not, pwnt. Toguro has those finger bullets, can kill people with his aura, and eats souls.
H2H skill: Toguro since being a kid was trained in martial arts, and has kept on training, and is now like 70-80 years old.
Experience: Toguro.
Toguro punks Piotr.
Speed: Yes Teguro is faster but it isn't like Colossus can not keep up with him he is pretty fast and agile himself.
Durability: Colossus in spades. He has much better feats against much stronger people. Not to mention Teguro's near island destroying blast are things Havok and Cyclops can do.
Stamina: Colossus the guy doesn't need to eat or breath or sleep in armored form.
Powers: Obviously Teguro because he does have energy output but it isn't anything Colossus hasn't seen before and seeing as Colossus pretty much resisted Sym when he was basically a Demonic God I doubt Soul Absorption is going to work.
H2H: Teguro although once again Colossus isn't a slouch.
Experience: in terms of years Teguro, in terms of actual fighting and experience Colossus. Colossus has seen more in his lifetime than Teguro would see in ten of his.
Overall Teguro's advantages become moot when considering Colossus can take everything Teguro could ever hope to while Teguro does actually have a lower durability considering Havok level blasts could take hurt him and cause him to scream in pain.
Originally posted by NewjakStrength: Toguro in 20-30% carried a like 100 ton arena miles to the current dome. How's that for a strength feat?
Strength: Equal or Colossus because Colossus actually has good strength feats Teguro has great energy feats though.Speed: Yes Teguro is faster but it isn't like Colossus can not keep up with him he is pretty fast and agile himself.
Durability: Colossus in spades. He has much better feats against much stronger people. Not to mention Teguro's near island destroying blast are things Havok and Cyclops can do.
Stamina: Colossus the guy doesn't need to eat or breath or sleep in armored form.
Powers: Obviously Teguro because he does have energy output but it isn't anything Colossus hasn't seen before and seeing as Colossus pretty much resisted Sym when he was basically a Demonic God I doubt Soul Absorption is going to work.
H2H: Teguro although once again Colossus isn't a slouch.
Experience: in terms of years Teguro, in terms of actual fighting and experience Colossus. Colossus has seen more in his lifetime than Teguro would see in ten of his.
Overall Teguro's advantages become moot when considering Colossus can take everything Teguro could ever hope to while Teguro does actually have a lower durability considering Havok level blasts could take hurt him and cause him to scream in pain.
Speed: Toguro is MUCH faster than Piotr.
Durability: And? Toguro took it easily, and was not even 100%. Also, healing factor. 😉
Stamina: Hmmm, forgot about that, alright I give Piotr the win here.
Powers: Toguro simultaneously ate the souls of nearly everyone in the Tournament stands.
H2H: Toguro is much more skilled in H2H than Piotr, who is competant in it, but not a master like Toguro.
Experience: Toguro at a young age was a demon killer, and won the Dark Tournament and became a demon, and had to beat the highest form of demon to do so, which is also what Toguro became.
Once again, Toguro has a healing factor, which Piotr does not have.
Originally posted by NewjakToguro never screamed in pain at any blast what are you talking about.
Oh yeah the one that obviously was going over what 50 MPH at best because as we all know that is so fast for acomicbook character 🙄All things Spiderman, Wolverine, and even Captain America have done except they do it more often with greater ease and with more people.
I think that is where you guys are getting confused seriously I'm not saying they aren't fast but by comicbook standards they really aren't especially when compared to other people Colossus has fought.
The guy is fast but Colossus isn't a slouch either for someone of that strength.
Strength: Equal or Colossus because Colossus actually has good strength feats Teguro has great energy feats though.
Speed: Yes Teguro is faster but it isn't like Colossus can not keep up with him he is pretty fast and agile himself.
Durability: Colossus in spades. He has much better feats against much stronger people. Not to mention Teguro's near island destroying blast are things Havok and Cyclops can do.
Stamina: Colossus the guy doesn't need to eat or breath or sleep in armored form.
Powers: Obviously Teguro because he does have energy output but it isn't anything Colossus hasn't seen before and seeing as Colossus pretty much resisted Sym when he was basically a Demonic God I doubt Soul Absorption is going to work.
H2H: Teguro although once again Colossus isn't a slouch.
Experience: in terms of years Teguro, in terms of actual fighting and experience Colossus. Colossus has seen more in his lifetime than Teguro would see in ten of his.
Overall Teguro's advantages become moot when considering Colossus can take everything Teguro could ever hope to while Teguro does actually have a lower durability considering Havok level blasts could take hurt him and cause him to scream in pain.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Strength: Toguro in 20-30% carried a like 100 ton arena miles to the current dome. How's that for a strength feat?Speed: Toguro is MUCH faster than Piotr.
Durability: And? Toguro took it easily, and was not even 100%. Also, healing factor. 😉
Stamina: Hmmm, forgot about that, alright I give Piotr the win here.
Powers: Toguro simultaneously ate the souls of nearly everyone in the Tournament stands.
H2H: Toguro is much more skilled in H2H than Piotr, who is competant in it, but not a master like Toguro.
Experience: Toguro at a young age was a demon killer, and won the Dark Tournament and became a demon, and had to beat the highest form of demon to do so, which is also what Toguro became.
Once again, Toguro has a healing factor, which Piotr does not have.
Yeah Colossus has been across the stars battled God's, Aliens, demons, has died and come back to life. I think what Colossus has seen trumps Teguro
By the way
Strength: Colossus carried the Blackbird underwater from out of the ocean and has broken Vibranium before.
Teguro got flung from one side of the island to the other Colossus when taking similar blasts hasn't moved at all. I mean seriously Colossus has fallen over a mile high before completley unscathed and ready to fight.
And Teguro has a HF but Colossus doesn't need one because Teguro could barely hurt him.
Originally posted by EstacadoHe has resisted Demonic Energy which is how Teguro sucked there souls 😐
Still no proof that Piotr can resist a soul suck.....
Good stuff guys, I love debates with a character I'm not familar with ie.Toguro
Originally posted by Newjak
And he took Sas's best hits nad wasn't beaten
Best hits? *snickers* For the actual comic Sas was literally treating him like a kid lifting him above his head and putting his hand on Colossus forehead while Colossus swung his hands around. Regardless that was teenage Colossus, he has gotten stronger since then so I doubt that would be an accurate portrayal today.