Yo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
in a quasar crossover where maelstrom was visiting the different powerhouse beings of the universe to basically tell them what was up.he wasnt in the main 6 issues of it but a crossover still counts.
hate to tell ya, but that wasnt really a crossover; if it were a crossover then it wouldve been advertised as such, yet on the cover of that particular ish IT WASNT.
Tazer
Yo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
its pointless as he doesnt count. lt doesnt count either. if i counted lt and not destiiny ud have somewhat of an argument but since im not counting lt u have no argument there.
of course its pointless to U, becuz if he's included then U couldnt win.
dont worry quanchi, we all know now.
Tazer
All right bitches lets get some things straightened out. 131
Here’s the scan I’ll use. http://s151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/?action=view¤t=TheSpectre1-03.jpg
Ok now here is this guy’s definition of omnipotence.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
The fact that they can take out the Marvel Omniverse (Which I'd like to see scans or issue numbers) proves how exactly that they are omnipotent ? Do you even know what omnipotent means ? It's not measured in how much you can destroy or create , it means that you have infinite control over anything .
K now this is what this guy said.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Fact of the matter is that Spectre was stated to be omnipotent , all encompassing and with infinite power by the supreme being himself , while it's quite easily to prove that neither the cosmic cubes nor Galactus are even close to that level .
So if Spectre was omnipotent (which means infinite control over anything according to this guy) then the Spectre had infinite control over the supreme being himself. Wait but then that means the Presence really isn’t a supreme being since Spectre is greater according to this guy’s logic. This isn’t merged Spectre by the way, so they are not one in the same (also if that were the case the Presence would say ours was the power omnipotent). I think it’s safe to say that omnipotence doesn’t mean infinite control over anything. Either that or the Spectre isn’t omnipotent.
I’d like to add that the IG was the mantle of supremacy according to the narrator.
http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igmakesyougod23un.jpg
Moving along.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Spectre couldn't kill AM without killing off all the heroes who AM was draining power from.
Ok? Now if Spectre was omnipotent, all encompassing, and infinitely powerful then he wouldn’t have to worry about killing the heroes since he’d simply be able to recreate them or not let them die in the first place.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The obvious connotation of Spectre's 'coma' is plain to see. A higher power is orchestrating it. IE: THE PRESENCE TOLD HIM TO STAY DOWN! Meaning, the Presence probably only wanted Spectre to stop AM from smashing the positive matter universes and to let the rest of the heroes finish AM off.
Right… right. That’s why the Presence tells the Spectre “Yours was conceivably the power to halt a crisis on the infinite earths, and also to preclude the epic struggle between heaven and hell. You failed on both counts…leaving much blood on your conscience.” If the Presence wanted the Spectre to stay down then why the hell did the Presence tell the Spectre you failed on both counts? Also, this proves that the Spectre didn’t halt the COIE, well at least according to the Presence.
Originally posted by Galan007
I guess you missed my reasoning behind posting those scans. [FYI, it wasn't to necessarily proove Spectre's superority over Mxy].Certain people called Jun wrong when he said that Spectre depowered Mxy in DoV, and also when he said the Spectre and Mxy recreated the Universe in it's entirety...
I already showed you that Spectre and Mxy did recreate the Universe.
Now here's proof that Spectre depowered Mxy in DoV...
[bottom left hand panel]:
So once again,
Anyone who called Jun wrong, should feel like an absolute idiot about now. 🙂
Well actually Juntai said "Also Spectre rebuilt reality at the end of Emperor Joker." So technically he was wrong since both Mr. Mxy and Spectre (and Superman 131) did.
Originally posted by Tazerhate to tell you but it said infinity gauntlet crossover. i dont lie. do ur homewrok and then get back to me. it was issue 6 of this 7 issue quasar/maelstrom storyline.
Yo.hate to tell ya, but that wasnt really a crossover; if it were a crossover then it wouldve been advertised as such, yet on the cover of that particular ish IT WASNT.
Tazer
Originally posted by Air Legend
All right bitches lets get some things straightened out. 131
Here’s the scan I’ll use. http://s151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/?action=view¤t=TheSpectre1-03.jpgOk now here is this guy’s definition of omnipotence.
K now this is what this guy said.
So if Spectre was omnipotent (which means infinite control over anything according to this guy) then the Spectre had infinite control over the supreme being himself. Wait but then that means the Presence really isn’t a supreme being since Spectre is greater according to this guy’s logic. This isn’t merged Spectre by the way, so they are not one in the same (also if that were the case the Presence would say ours was the power omnipotent). I think it’s safe to say that omnipotence doesn’t mean infinite control over anything. Either that or the Spectre isn’t omnipotent.
I’d like to add that the IG was the mantle of supremacy according to the narrator.
http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igmakesyougod23un.jpgMoving along.
Ok? Now if Spectre was omnipotent, all encompassing, and infinitely powerful then he wouldn’t have to worry about killing the heroes since he’d simply be able to recreate them or not let them die in the first place.
Right… right. That’s why the Presence tells the Spectre “Yours was conceivably the power to halt a crisis on the infinite earths, and also to preclude the epic struggle between heaven and hell. You failed on both counts…leaving much blood on your conscience.” If the Presence wanted the Spectre to stay down then why the hell did the Presence tell the Spectre you failed on both counts? Also, this proves that the Spectre didn’t halt the COIE, well at least according to the Presence.
Well actually Juntai said "Also Spectre rebuilt reality at the end of Emperor Joker." So technically he was wrong since both Mr. Mxy and Spectre (and Superman 131) did.
Looks like everything you've said in this post pretty much confirms Erik is correct. The Spectre could have stopped the Anti-Monitor before he got as powerful as he did. He failed there and also failed against The Beast. The Presence made him stay down probably cause the Spectre wasn't needed any longer, seeing that the hero's would finish the job The Spectre would have done but wasn't allowed too. The Spectre is a piece of God, what don't you understand??
Originally posted by Air Legendnice job. the spectre failed plain and simple. presence says he failed so he did.
All right bitches lets get some things straightened out. 131
Here’s the scan I’ll use. http://s151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/?action=view¤t=TheSpectre1-03.jpgOk now here is this guy’s definition of omnipotence.
K now this is what this guy said.
So if Spectre was omnipotent (which means infinite control over anything according to this guy) then the Spectre had infinite control over the supreme being himself. Wait but then that means the Presence really isn’t a supreme being since Spectre is greater according to this guy’s logic. This isn’t merged Spectre by the way, so they are not one in the same (also if that were the case the Presence would say ours was the power omnipotent). I think it’s safe to say that omnipotence doesn’t mean infinite control over anything. Either that or the Spectre isn’t omnipotent.
I’d like to add that the IG was the mantle of supremacy according to the narrator.
http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igmakesyougod23un.jpgMoving along.
Ok? Now if Spectre was omnipotent, all encompassing, and infinitely powerful then he wouldn’t have to worry about killing the heroes since he’d simply be able to recreate them or not let them die in the first place.
Right… right. That’s why the Presence tells the Spectre “Yours was conceivably the power to halt a crisis on the infinite earths, and also to preclude the epic struggle between heaven and hell. You failed on both counts…leaving much blood on your conscience.” If the Presence wanted the Spectre to stay down then why the hell did the Presence tell the Spectre you failed on both counts? Also, this proves that the Spectre didn’t halt the COIE, well at least according to the Presence.
Well actually Juntai said "Also Spectre rebuilt reality at the end of Emperor Joker." So technically he was wrong since both Mr. Mxy and Spectre (and Superman 131) did.
presence would give him another tongue lashing after thanos gets down with dc universe as well.
Originally posted by kevdude
Looks like everything you've said in this post pretty much confirms Erik is correct. The Spectre could have stopped the Anti-Monitor before he got as powerful as he did. He failed there and also failed against The Beast. The Presence made him stay down probably cause the Spectre wasn't needed any longer, seeing that the hero's would finish the job The Spectre would have done but wasn't allowed too. The Spectre is a piece of God, what don't you understand??
OK. Spectre>>>>>Presence dur
Originally posted by kevdudethe spectre isnt god.
Looks like everything you've said in this post pretty much confirms Erik is correct. The Spectre could have stopped the Anti-Monitor before he got as powerful as he did. He failed there and also failed against The Beast. The Presence made him stay down probably cause the Spectre wasn't needed any longer, seeing that the hero's would finish the job The Spectre would have done but wasn't allowed too. The Spectre is a piece of God, what don't you understand??
spectre is a dumbass who goes around killing good magical beings in dov becuz hes a tard and gets confused on his own without a host.
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.U should go take a 2nd look them comrade: AMs own posturing tells us (and the assembled heroes at the Creation Point) that he was freed by, and then took control over, Paraiahs experiment. and the testimony of Harbinger, where we learn the origin of the Monitors, in all likelihood comes straight from the Monitor own files if not him having told her himself b4 he died.
All AM said was that he used the experiment to escape his prison, he didn’t say that it woke him up. So with that in mind you have to question whether or not his being rendered unconscious would be considered a “prison” or if there was something else that would better fit the description. So now we look here…
(This section specifically)...
And here...
Note the statements “He had power supreme, but his evil hunger was insatiable. He wanted MORE…but he did not know what else there was to conquer. ” and “A war in which there could be no victor.”. Seems to me that AM being confined to the Anti Matter Universe by the Monitor when he’d been lusting to go in search of new conquest fit’s the description of a prison far better than his being unconscious.
And Harbinger never said that the destruction of Paraiah’s universe woke the AM up, all she said was that they remained unconscious for over 9 billion years, so her statement is hardly evidence to support that claim.
Originally posted by Tazer
he couldnt have used tech since, once again by his own posturing, the AM tells us that he took advantage of Paraiahs experiment, converted that a-matter to energy, focused that energy into his (Paraiahs) universe and only THEN did he have the power to free himself.how could he have used tech if he was trapped, and thats by his own words and NO evidence of him having any there & then??
Because he was trapped within the Anti Matter Universe, and luckily enough for him that’s where his tech was located.
Originally posted by Tazer
and U have yet to show where he used machines to do that deed until we get to CoIE #8, which as a weapon created as a matter of expedience moreso than anything else.
Originally posted by Tazer
however as far as Paraiahs universe went, that feat was all AMs.
Originally posted by Tazer
that scan wasnt from CoIE -proper, but from a tale that came more than 10yrs afterward; I wouldnt count it as canon seeing as how if I remem they also introduced a GL who wasnt from Earth-1, but was somehow a member of the GLC (which is impossible since Oa was NOT duplicated across the multiverse like every other planet.)
Originally posted by Tazer
no-one said the AM DIDNT use tech, but theres no proof that he used tech to destroy the p-m 'verses beyond that canon. hell, even the Monitor used tech, since he needed a ship to leave Oas moon.
Originally posted by Galan007
Every Positive-Matter Universe AM destroyed, was accomplished by him harnessing the Anti-Matter force itself, and spreading it across the Universes.There is not one mention of him actually using tech to destroy/absorb a single Universe throughout the entire COIE arch.
The only time AM was going to use tech to destroy any Universes, was when he created his super-canon, this however, was destroyed before it could even be used.
So in answer to your question, every Universe AM destroyed/absorbed, was done under his own power.
Anyone who says differently is speaking out of pure speculation, as there is no evidence to the contrary....
Originally posted by Tazer
his plan to destroy the 5 remaining universes was thwarted by the cannons destruction since all 5 were in a special "netherverse" that protected them from the AMs a-wave; he couldnt get at those realms since they were protectd by Monitors energy & those giant Vibrational Tuners we saw earlier in the story.THATS Y he used tech there, and also in #7 with that "Solar Collector" -machine he had to reduce the diff Earths' vibrational frequencies.
Tazer
Originally posted by Galan007
I hate debating COIE, but this is just nonsensical inconsistency on DC's part. 😬I have a hard time believing that Supergirl almost killed AM, but an amped up Spectre didn't, and/or, couldn't.
IMO,
That particular instance can't be used to to downplay AM, simply because we know what he can, and has survived, by on panel occurrences.
[Most of which, is much greater then a punch from Supergirl].
