Originally posted by darthgoobergood points.
What's inconsitant about it? After all, Supergirl nearly killed him BEFORE he absorbed all the energy from the Anti Matter Universe, while his battle with Spectre took place AFTER he absorbed all that energy as well as the energy from the multiverses heroes. So what did he survive previouse to Supergirl that suggest that it was nothing more than PIS?
Originally posted by kevdude
Nice job editing after telling me this! 🙄
I'm glad you're so excited about it!!!!! 🙄
Anyways, I'm not going to meddle with your childish behavior anymore.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Technically speaking TOAA got involved in the IG saga so,Marvel take this. 131
That's all this thread needs.
Yo.
Originally posted by darthgoober
All AM said was that he used the experiment to escape his prison, he didn’t say that it woke him up.
AM didnt have to say it, since we know that the experiment freed him by Paraiahs testimony. AM being freed and destroying Paraiahs realm is wat woke up Mon (as told to us by Harbinger in the 6th panel of the 5th scan Ive already linked), and is the whole reason Y Mon made Para into that "A-wave tracker".
Originally posted by darthgoober
So with that in mind you have to question whether or not his being rendered unconscious would be considered a “prison” or if there was something else that would better fit the description. So now we look here…
(This section specifically)...
And here...Note the statements “He had power supreme, but his evil hunger was insatiable. He wanted MORE…but he did not know what else there was to conquer. ” and “A war in which there could be no victor.”. Seems to me that AM being confined to the Anti Matter Universe by the Monitor when he’d been lusting to go in search of new conquest fit’s the description of a prison far better than his being unconscious.
except......that thats not wat happend at all. the book specifically tell us that they knocked themselves out in a simultaneous atk. so no offense, even if yur way might work better for YOU, thats not wat was said in the book.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And Harbinger never said that the destruction of Paraiah’s universe woke the AM up, all she said was that they remained unconscious for over 9 billion years, so her statement is hardly evidence to support that claim.
go back to the 6th panel of the 5th scan I posted and U'll see that she says "no Paraiah, there was 1 who could....1 U also freed when yur universe perished. the Monitor, too, now lived again."
if it ALSO WOKE UP the Monitor, then it mustve woke up AM.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Because he was trapped within the Anti Matter Universe, and luckily enough for him that’s where his tech was located.
yea, unconscious and w/o tech. and plz show us where he had *any* tech then; he certainly didnt use any when him & Monitor were fighting......
Originally posted by darthgoober
Sure I did, in the scan where Psycho Pirate specifically mentions his(AM’s) machines. Of course, I’m still waiting for concrete proof of him destroying any of the Positive Matter Universes with only his own power, so do you have any actual proof to that effect?
yur using a story that came along more than 10yrs after the fact, as well as ignoring proper continuity, as proof?? sorry, thats not gonna cut it.
show us proof that he DID use a machine to destroy ANY of the p-m universes 1st.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Prove it.
I already did.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually, that GL only got his ring because it was given to him by a GLC member…
There’s nothing in that book to suggest that it’s non cannon, and since it’s titled “Crisis on Infinite Earths, The Untold Story” and the events directly coincide with the arc I’m pretty sure that it IS cannon. After all, anything involving COIE is technically cannon, because every universe in DC was involved in it.
there were events that took place in that story which IGNORED proper DCU-continuity; like that GL.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually, that’s EXACTLY what was said when Trickster quoted this post as being factual…
TP specifically said "There is not one mention of him actually using tech to destroy/absorb a single Universe throughout the entire COIE arch." if U can point out the universe AM destroyed using tech, then plz share.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And as I’ve already addressed, there’s nothing to suggest that the story is non cannon(and again, pretty much everything involving COIE is cannon), so unless you have some actually proof to the contrary AM was using machines to create the Anti Matter wave.
again, I'll point to that GL.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And you really think that if AM began COIE powerful enough to destroy a universe, and his power was increased exponentially he couldn’t have invaded the “netherverse”?
apparently the AMs ability to do *watever* was something that the Monitor had factored in when he built his VTs, since AM needed to use tech to slow down their vibrations.
thats how the story presents itself, so thats how I'll take it.
Tazer
So if Spectre was omnipotent (which means infinite control over anything according to this guy) then the Spectre had infinite control over the supreme being himself. Wait but then that means the Presence really isn’t a supreme being since Spectre is greater according to this guy’s logic. This isn’t merged Spectre by the way, so they are not one in the same (also if that were the case the Presence would say ours was the power omnipotent). I think it’s safe to say that omnipotence doesn’t mean infinite control over anything. Either that or the Spectre isn’t omnipotent.
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Spectre can't be supreme to The Presence/God for a very simple reason . He is part of The Presence and it is the Presence who give him his power . It is The Presence who made him omnipotent . It is The Presence who gave him infinite power . He is the Wrath of God , and it is Him who chose to give him that power and it is he who can simply take it away .
I’d like to add that the IG was the mantle of supremacy according to the narrator.
http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?...syougod23un.jpg
Yet he was inferior to the Living Tribunal . And to The One Above All . And also to the Heart of the Universe. Not much of a "mantle of supremacy" now is it ? 🙄
Ok? Now if Spectre was omnipotent, all encompassing, and infinitely powerful then he wouldn’t have to worry about killing the heroes since he’d simply be able to recreate them or not let them die in the first place.
This isn't how the Spectre works , he isn't Parallax . He doesn't kill anything without a purpose , since his motivation is to avenge the victims in the name of God .
And they say this forum is Marvel biased ... sigh*
Truth is, I haven´t seen a more DC bias site, with the exception of of the official DC sites forums.
OK, let´s see now.
The Infinity Gauntlet, when incomplete was able to manipulate and take control over the power of the Ultimate Nullifier, which has on panel destroyed the Multiverse and recreated it in the same instance.
And lately, four gems have been stated to be able to destroy all realities.
Mxyzptlk have defeated Spectre twice (in his own issues thoguh) where appearently Spectre have striped Mxyzptlk from his magics once.
Not to mention it was during the DoV, obviously all PIS/CIS works in the favor of Spectre.
He couldn´t defeat the Anti-Monitor alone, and don´t come with some stupid tale about how it was a deus ex machina, if you do however do--provide evidence.
The crisis on Infinity Earths affected a Multi-verse, and it was hardly destroyed.
The Ultimate Nullifier did destroy the Multiverse.
Originally posted by darthgooberWell...
What's inconsistent about it? After all, Supergirl nearly killed him BEFORE he absorbed all the energy from the Anti Matter Universe, while his battle with Spectre took place AFTER he absorbed all that energy as well as the energy from the multiverses heroes. So what did he survive previous to Supergirl that suggest that it was nothing more than PIS?
AM > The Monitor, on panel.
Unless you think a punch from Supergirl > Monitor, as well.. 🙄
Then it's inconsistent as hell. 🙂
And they say this forum is Marvel biased ... sigh*
It is
Truth is, I haven´t seen a more DC bias site, with the exception of of the official DC sites forums.
Same here concerning Marvel . I've got to say .. the users on the Marvel.com board are the stupidest ones I've ever encountered .
As for the matter at hand in no way or form can the Infinity Gauntley affect the entire Multiverse . It's been shown and also stated , in numerous instances that it has only universal power . Just because it turned the attack against Quasar does in no way mean it can affect the entire Multiverse .
Not to mention it was during the DoV, obviously all PIS/CIS works in the favor of Spectre.
Pis/Cis working in Spectre's favor in Day of Vengeance ? I hope you're kidding . In those issues Spectre has been jobbed more than anyone else , from being seduced by Eclipso , to having problems with Captain Marvel , to having his powers stolen by Black Alice and other instances .
He couldn´t defeat the Anti-Monitor alone, and don´t come with some stupid tale about how it was a deus ex machina, if you do however do--provide evidence.
As a matter of fact he could . The Presence/God stated it .
The crisis on Infinity Earths affected a Multi-verse, and it was hardly destroyed.
The Ultimate Nullifier did destroy the Multiverse.
Even if the Ultimate Nullifier did destroy the Multiverse , which I seriously doubt and I can also debate (I assume you're reffering to the Abraxas instance) , that does , like I said , in no shape or form prove that the Infinity Gauntlet is capable of affecting the entire Multiverse .
It is
Tell that to Nvr and Board Walker...Thank God BW disappeared to some place. Hopefully to pick up a comic.
Even if the Ultimate Nullifier did destroy the Multiverse , which I seriously doubt and I can also debate (I assume you're reffering to the Abraxas instance)
No, you can't debate it.
The UN destroyed and remade the multiverse.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherrso now u call dov pis. becuz the spectre was a walking idiot and was getting his ass handed to him a few times. its canon. deal with it.
It isSame here concerning Marvel . I've got to say .. the users on the Marvel.com board are the stupidest ones I've ever encountered .
As for the matter at hand in no way or form can the Infinity Gauntley affect the entire Multiverse . It's been shown and also stated , in numerous instances that it has only universal power . Just because it turned the attack against Quasar does in no way mean it can affect the entire Multiverse .
Pis/Cis working in Spectre's favor in Day of Vengeance ? I hope you're kidding . In those issues Spectre has been jobbed more than anyone else , from being seduced by Eclipso , to having problems with Captain Marvel , to having his powers stolen by Black Alice and other instances .
As a matter of fact he could . The Presence/God stated it .
Even if the Ultimate Nullifier did destroy the Multiverse , which I seriously doubt and I can also debate (I assume you're reffering to the Abraxas instance) , that does , like I said , in no shape or form prove that the Infinity Gauntlet is capable of affecting the entire Multiverse .
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
😆 .. wait ... 😆 .. okay . I'm done .
Spectre can't be supreme to The Presence/God for a very simple reason . He is part of The Presence and it is the Presence who give him his power . It is The Presence who made him omnipotent . It is The Presence who gave him infinite power . He is the Wrath of God , and it is Him who chose to give him that power and it is he who can simply take it away .
That's right. Your statement proves that omnipotent doesn't mean infinite control over anything since the Spectre is merely getting his power from the Presence (he can't control the Presence, hence he can't control "anything"😉. 👆
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Yet he was inferior to the Living Tribunal . And to The One Above All . And also to the Heart of the Universe. Not much of a "mantle of supremacy" now is it ? 🙄
Right. I only pointed this out because you kept saying the Spectre was omnipotent, all encompassing, and had infinite power on panel. Well the IG was called the mantle of supremecy by the omniscient narrator on panel. 😉
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
This isn't how the Spectre works , he isn't Parallax . He doesn't kill anything without a purpose , since his motivation is to avenge the victims in the name of God .
Originally posted by Air Legend
Ok? Now if Spectre was omnipotent, all encompassing, and infinitely powerful then he wouldn’t have to worry about killing the heroes since he’d simply be able to recreate them or not let them die in the first place.
Originally posted by quanchi112Biased?
no it isnt. ur only taking what u want from this crossover and disregarding what u dont like. ur being biased for the am.
I've stated nothing but facts.
AM was > The Monitor > a punch from Supergirl.... To say otherwise is ridiculous, imo.
I'm not disregarding the instance where Supergirl punched AM, I'm simply commenting of one of the many inconsistencies of COIE.
Originally posted by Avlon
He had access to all his power...he cut off his senses.Huge difference.
