Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
And that, ultimately, is the most important thing.
Originally posted by willRules
Hmm.....God or Gum?I'll stick with God, but i appreciate the offer 😉 😛
Originally posted by FeceMan
Quotation:Statement: If Kelly_Bean does not believe "most of what's in the Bible," then FeceMan supposes it does not matter.
Statement: Paul writes that Christians should not be "yoked unequally" with unbelievers--that is, Christians should not be in a situation where the beliefs and morality prescribed by God will burden them while the beliefs and morality of atheists will allow for ease of existence.
Statement: This applies directly to marriage, and somebody mentioned not wedding someone who is of a different faith than oneself.
Statement: If Kelly_Beans doesn't believe most of what's written in the Bible, then it does not really matter what Paul has written, since Kelly_Beans does not believe in the biblical God but something with the same title.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Statement: Paul writes that Christians should not be "yoked unequally" with unbelievers--that is, Christians should not be in a situation where the beliefs and morality prescribed by God will burden them while the beliefs and morality of atheists will allow for ease of existence.Statement: This applies directly to marriage, and somebody mentioned not wedding someone who is of a different faith than oneself.
Statement: If Kelly_Beans doesn't believe most of what's written in the Bible, then it does not really matter what Paul has written, since Kelly_Beans does not believe in the biblical God but something with the same title.
Originally posted by Boris
I wouldn't marry a religious woman.BUT.. if I did I'd make sure that there was nothing religious in the house at all and that my child would not be brought up a christian/muslim/jew..etc.
They can make that decision when they're older.. but I'd be pretty sure they'd stick with the idea that it's all bullshit.
That sounds familiar? Where have I heard that?
Oh thats right, religious nuts who wouldn't marry another because of their faith.
I was surrounded with religion since I was little. When I was born, my mother did make a natal chart, I did know how to read Tarot, and my grandmother bought me dream interpreter.
I was told about reincarnation, and believe in it still.
I don't feel like I have been indoctrinated with anything. I liked my religious experiences, and I was never forced into anything.
My children will know all I know and in the same manner that I do. My boyfriend was born into a Catholic family, but does not practice. He does not have a preference as to what we teach our kids.
My social and moral codes are separate from religion anyway.
Re: Hypothetical Question..
Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
Alright I dunno if something like this has been done before, sorry if it has.Say two people are married and they want to have a child together. One person doesn't believe in God, the other does. It's obvious that the couple have to work it out together and devise something up rationally. Do you Baptise the child and teach it the way of the God believer, Do you teach the child not to believe in God, or do you do something else?
The reason I ask, I got to thinking last night about it because my boyfriend doesn't believe in God and I do.
I just wanted opinions.
"The No's have it."
I think this kind of thing happens more often than we imagine.
Feceman, I disagree with your stance: If two people love eachother, than thier religions should not matter. Your corrinthians quote claims that a religious person is moral, while an atheist is immoral. A black and white stereotype. Not only do I not appreciate it, I thought you were much smarter than that.
Kelly Bean- I think each parent should teach thier child what they beleive and explain why. Not right away, but when the child reaches the age which both parents feel they can explain. Allow the child to make up his or her own mind, see what works for him or her.
Also, encourage your child to do research on many philosophies and faiths, so that he or she can learn more, and determine what works best. Education is the key, Ignorance is the problem.
Originally posted by Boris
I wouldn't marry a religious woman.BUT.. if I did I'd make sure that there was nothing religious in the house at all and that my child would not be brought up a christian/muslim/jew..etc..
Why not ? I dated a religious guy once, and I learned a lot from him. He opened my eyes (as well as other body parts droolio), and changed my perspective on life in general.
Made me challenge my own ways of thinking.
There is a lot you can learn from someone who holds such a perspective. Not all religious people are zealots.
II Corinthians 6:14-15
Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
Oh a believer and a nonbeliever have nothing in common at all. I mean they are basically from two different planets. Hell, they are basically different species. One born from Heaven, the other from Hell.
Totally irreconcilable.
It is just a shame reality shows that to be totally false. Which is why it is wiser for Kelly-Bean to actual seek advice from human beings rather then just flip through the Bible and go "ah, here is the answer in Corinthians - no, a Believer and nonbeliever shouldn't be together at all, let alone having children together".
Statement: Paul writes that Christians should not be "yoked unequally" with unbelievers--that is, Christians should not be in a situation where the beliefs and morality prescribed by God will burden them while the beliefs and morality of atheists will allow for ease of existence.Statement: This applies directly to marriage, and somebody mentioned not wedding someone who is of a different faith than oneself.
Statement: If Kelly_Beans doesn't believe most of what's written in the Bible, then it does not really matter what Paul has written, since Kelly_Beans does not believe in the biblical God but something with the same title.
Which is all a load of tosh - "yoked unequally" - honestly. All I can say is it is a good thing the Bible isn't taken as a literal relationship guide otherwise I, plenty of people I know and others on this forum wouldn't exist.
What with it implying our parents should never have been "yoked unequally" together and, in my parents case at least, having a long (20+ years and counting) and very happy marriage together devoid of religious conflict.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Oh a believer and a nonbeliever have nothing in common at all. I mean they are basically from two different planets. Hell, they are basically different species. One born from Heaven, the other from Hell.Totally irreconcilable.
It is just a shame reality shows that to be totally false. Which is why it is wiser for Kelly-Bean to actual seek advice from human beings rather then just flip through the Bible and go "ah, here is the answer in Corinthians - no, a Believer and nonbeliever shouldn't be together at all, let alone having children together".
The answer is simple really.
Let the child decide when its old enough to understand
No one was baptized in the Bible as a baby!
christening was brought in by the church under the "Christen your child in case it dies or it will go to hell".There were a lot of child deaths in them days. It also meant that the church kept its members up.
Of course a loving God wouldn´t send a baby (or anyone) to hell just because its parents didn´t christen it in time. And Christening, ie having a bit of water splashed on your head isn´t baptism, the "to be baptised" person has to be totally emersed in water.
My kids weren´t christened, but if they choose this path I will support them.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Statement: Paul is clearly referring to morality and the obedience to God in saying that.
And? Regardless of Paul's right to say it some 2000 years ago, it is not something people should use to make relationship decisions in the modern world.
Unless they want to, which would tempt me to call them silly. By all means if religion is a big thing and you don't think you could get on with someone not of your religion then it would be time to assess the future of it. Not flip open the Bible and say:
"awww, well I really like her/him and can see myself being with them forever, but Paul seems to suggest such relationships are of questionable morality and not really what God intends. I guess.... I guess I'll call it off."
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
And? Regardless of Paul's right to say it some 2000 years ago, it is not something people should use to make relationship decisions in the modern world.Unless they want to, which would tempt me to call them silly. By all means if religion is a big thing and you don't think you could get on with someone not of your religion then it would be time to assess the future of it. Not flip open the Bible and say:
"awww, well I really like her/him and can see myself being with them forever, but Paul seems to suggest such relationships are of questionable morality and not really what God intends. I guess.... I guess I'll call it off."
Originally posted by Bicnarok
The answer is simple really.[B]Let the child decide when its old enough to understand
No one was baptized in the Bible as a baby!
christening was brought in by the church under the "Christen your child in case it dies or it will go to hell".There were a lot of child deaths in them days. It also meant that the church kept its members up.
Of course a loving God wouldn´t send a baby (or anyone) to hell just because its parents didn´t christen it in time. And Christening, ie having a bit of water splashed on your head isn´t baptism, the "to be baptised" person has to be totally emersed in water.
My kids weren´t christened, but if they choose this path I will support them. [/B]
In my Church we don't have Christening's, we have dedications. We believe that a child can't make choice for itself and so we say that a parent can have their child dedicated to the Church, where the Church promises to raise the child as part of the Church community Through Sunday school and stuff) where the Child will be taught Christian teaching and the Church will promote our beliefs and make our feelings regarding life the universe and everything clear to the child as they grow up but we give the child the choice. Ultimately we present the case for Christianity to the child but we realise it's their choice, which personally I think is the best way to do it (Although I would say that as I am a bias Christian 😄 )
Originally posted by FeceMan
Statement: The intent would be not to begin a relationship with someone who is "unequally yoked."
Which is just as mad, considering the chances a person might miss out on.
And I don't know if I am strange or something, but I usually don't have an intimate knowledge of a persons religion when I first start seeing them - that is something to learn with time. Which would kind of make it hard not to base relationships on that knowledge. Unless I go around saying:
"Hey, I think I might like you, but before I ask you out on a date I have this question - what is your religion? It is so we can avoid being "unequally yoked".
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Which is just as mad, considering the chances a person might miss out on.And I don't know if I am strange or something, but I usually don't have an intimate knowledge of a persons religion when I first start seeing them - that is something to learn with time. Which would kind of make it hard not to base relationships on that knowledge. Unless I go around saying:
"Hey, I think I might like you, but before I ask you out on a date I have this question - what is your religion? It is so we can avoid being "unequally yoked".
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I think this kind of thing happens more often than we imagine.[b]Feceman
, I disagree with your stance: If two people love eachother, than thier religions should not matter. Your corrinthians quote claims that a religious person is moral, while an atheist is immoral. A black and white stereotype. Not only do I not appreciate it, I thought you were much smarter than that.Kelly Bean- I think each parent should teach thier child what they beleive and explain why. Not right away, but when the child reaches the age which both parents feel they can explain. Allow the child to make up his or her own mind, see what works for him or her.
Also, encourage your child to do research on many philosophies and faiths, so that he or she can learn more, and determine what works best. Education is the key, Ignorance is the problem. [/B]
Originally posted by Bicnarok
The answer is simple really.[B]Let the child decide when its old enough to understand
No one was baptized in the Bible as a baby!
christening was brought in by the church under the "Christen your child in case it dies or it will go to hell".There were a lot of child deaths in them days. It also meant that the church kept its members up.
Of course a loving God wouldn´t send a baby (or anyone) to hell just because its parents didn´t christen it in time. And Christening, ie having a bit of water splashed on your head isn´t baptism, the "to be baptised" person has to be totally emersed in water.
My kids weren´t christened, but if they choose this path I will support them. [/B]
Re: Hypothetical Question..
Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
Alright I dunno if something like this has been done before, sorry if it has.Say two people are married and they want to have a child together. One person doesn't believe in God, the other does. It's obvious that the couple have to work it out together and devise something up rationally. Do you Baptise the child and teach it the way of the God believer, Do you teach the child not to believe in God, or do you do something else?
The reason I ask, I got to thinking last night about it because my boyfriend doesn't believe in God and I do.
I just wanted opinions.
I'd suggest the mother make sure she puts her side across as an opinion, and openly lets the father do the same if he doesn't believe. So long as neither side are forcing the child to believe anything, or subliminally misleading it, let it believe what it wants when it's old enough.
Baptising is too far, in my opinion. I was baptised but I'm agnostic, I've never been religious, and my dad's an athiest so obviously he just went along with it and didn't mind too much, cos it was important to my mum and my dad's apathetic to religion, he thought "It's a ceremony that means a lot to her, but it won't change the child in my eyes, so whatever.". Personally, I'd not force something on it. If he or she wants to get baptised they can do so when they're older.
-AC
BlackSunshine and I have a daughter together, and we both plan to expose her to our own beliefs. I'm an atheist, and her mother is Christian. Our views will not be force fed to her, nor will they be candy-coated. We both want her to make her own educated and unbiased decision when the time is right for her.
The most important thing is to educate a child in a manner that is both fun and informative, beit christianity, atheism, or any other type of belief.
A person should have an option, instead of an ultimatum, when religion/beliefs are involved. I was literally forced into christianity my whole life until I said "F*ck it", and became a happy atheist.
Originally posted by Impediment
BlackSunshine and I have a daughter together, and we both plan to expose her to our own beliefs. I'm an atheist, and her mother is Christian. Our views will not be force fed to her, nor will they be candy-coated. We both want her to make her own educated and unbiased decision when the time is right for her.The most important thing is to educate a child in a manner that is both fun and informative, beit christianity, atheism, or any other type of belief.
A person should have an option, instead of an ultimatum, when religion/beliefs are involved. I was literally forced into christianity my whole life until I said "F*ck it", and became a happy atheist.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Statement: Or one could simply find out more about the person prior to going out on a date with him or her.
And if I like a person enough to "find out more about them prior to going out on a date"? Which I do anyway, but usually more personality/interest/as a person wise. As shocking as it might sound religion, whether they have it or not, is of less relevance to me then what they are like as a person. Finding out their religion in order to appease Paul and the Bible is getting into "Hey, what is your Star sign? Really? Like we are so compatible" territory.
And if say I was Christian, and were to discover "hey, I'm a Christian and they're an Atheist!" what would I then do?
Should I go "Thank goodness I did this background check first, now there is no risk of me being unequally yoked with them, regardless of how much I liked them before I knew. Thank you Bible."?