Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That sounds familiar? Where have I heard that?
Oh thats right, religious nuts who wouldn't marry another because of their faith.
Though, it is understandable, since ones believes are a big part of ones character. I am not sure I'd be comfortable with a girlfriend who supports Nazis and preaches white power stuff...I can see how others would apply that to Religion or the lack of it.
Originally posted by willRules
In my Church we don't have Christening's, we have dedications. We believe that a child can't make choice for itself and so we say that a parent can have their child dedicated to the Church, where the Church promises to raise the child as part of the Church community Through Sunday school and stuff) where the Child will be taught Christian teaching and the Church will promote our beliefs and make our feelings regarding life the universe and everything clear to the child as they grow up but we give the child the choice. Ultimately we present the case for Christianity to the child but we realise it's their choice, which personally I think is the best way to do it (Although I would say that as I am a bias Christian 😄 )
Ha...that's most ironic.
Originally posted by The Grey FoxCool then.
I'd definately not be, Colour-Power is one of the worst things in the modern world.Apart from Pepperami, of course.
Originally posted by inimalist
Hell, good things, like hygiene habbits, would you say that a child should have a choice about learning to bathe properly? what about in their medical procedures, should a conscent form be needed to give a child an immunization?
That is a totally different scenario though. The children have to learn those things because if they don't ...............................they die.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Do you think you could give us a bit of a road map for the means and ways that Christians, since we are talking about a pretty big group here, live differently then nonbelievers?
1. Christians are to pray for their enemies.
2. Christians are to glorify God in all things.
3. Christians are to abstain from sexual impurity.
4. Christians are to proclaim the truth and bring the Good News to all.
5. Christians are to avoid overindulgence.
6. Christians are to suffer abuse and mockery without striking back.
7. Christians are not to gossip, curse, or otherwise say unclean things.
8. Christians are not to create for themselves idols, either literally or figuratively.
9. Christians are to "remember the Sabbath and keep it holy."
10. Christians are to do as commanded in Matthew 5:39-42.
Query: Shall FeceMan continue?
But this relationship for him, so he says, is the "one", and he is happy to wait, what with the whole "I love her and respect her wishes" thing.
And from what seems to be the norm I don't think a massive majority of Christians are abstaining from premarital sex.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This is covert indoctrination.
Nope it's my personal choice. I'm well aware of the fact that you know my life's story better then I do, but you're gonna have to trust me on this one, it was my choice. ✅
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The alternative is to reject a lifetime of social conditioning and openly defy the wishes of a parent; some choice.
Again you know me better than I know myself?
So you're ignorant and you make largely unfounded assumptions? I'm sure that winning combination will help you through solving life's mysteries ✅
Originally posted by FeceMan
Statement: Christians are called to live in a manner that is different in the following ways:1. Christians are to pray for their enemies.
And a relationship with a nonbeliever might make that difficult?
2. Christians are to glorify God in all things.
No real set standard there for what that means, being a personal thing. As above.
3. Christians are to abstain from sexual impurity.
Which constitutes what - sex outside of marriage?
4. Christians are to proclaim the truth and bring the Good News to all.
Not all Christians take the whole evangelism to great lengths.
5. Christians are to avoid overindulgence.
Not sure how a nonbeliever might be a stumbling block to that, but anyway.
6. Christians are to suffer abuse and mockery without striking back.
7. Christians are not to gossip, curse, or otherwise say unclean things.
As above. And unclean things? Some of the Christians I have known have a colorful vocabulary.
8. Christians are not to create for themselves idols, either literally or figuratively.
9. Christians are to "remember the Sabbath and keep it holy."
10. Christians are to do as commanded in Matthew 5:39-42.
Again as above. Basically a nice list of things but I can think of only a few Christians who keep true to every single one (excusing personal interpretation and manners of person piety) and that is without having nonbelievers in their lives. No real reason why a nonbeliever would be more of burden or stumbling block to any of them, or a significant one to begin with.
And besides, I thought the main thing a Christian had to do was repent and accept Jesus. Everything else after that seems to be more suggestions for living a good Christian life rather then something that will loose you your salvation rights. But then that depends on whether a person believes you are saved forever when you ask forgiveness or whether you can loose them.
Wry Statement: Surely, this scenario is an accurate description of every relationship.
I believe yes, in terms of respect and communication, I was saying it is quite possible for a nonbeliever to accept a believers decision not to engage in sex outside of marriage.
But as we are all aware some very real relationships that are just as loving and just as destined to last their whole lives don't place the same importance on the two involved waiting till after they are married.
Query: If they do not live as Christians, then what is the point in listening to Christian counsel?
Different perceptions on life as Christians, interpretations etc etc etc
Originally posted by willRules
Nope it's my personal choice. I'm well aware of the fact that you know my life's story better then I do, but you're gonna have to trust me on this one, it was my choice. ✅
If one takes his child to a National Socialist meeting every Sunday, and imparts to him that it is his desire that his child be a National Socialist or Nazi, how would you characterize that behavior?
Originally posted by willRules
Again you know me better than I know myself?So you're ignorant and you make largely unfounded assumptions? I'm sure that winning combination will help you through solving life's mysteries ✅
By all means, explain how the alternative, i.e. rejecting a lifetime of social conditioning and openly defying the wishes of a parent, is a fair choice.
I do not see why Religion should be a factor when two people love eachother. I know it can cause friction, but if religious differences were the reason two people separated, then the religion was more powerful than the love itself.
I dated a Jewish guy this summer, and I didn't care that he was Jewish. I was totally fine with it, I just liked him. His green eyes, his brown hair, his ****, and his personality.
His religion is not the reason we went separate ways. It was his Fear.
His parents were strict. Orthadox Jew I beleive. His parents, I think were so strict, they may have disowned him for discovering he was Gay. I don't know.
But his Fear was so great, that:
-He did not want his parents to know I existed
-I could only hang out with him when his parents weren't around.
I'm not a patient person. I sed "f*ck that". I told him I will not wait around, too see him twice or three times a month, just because he feels the need to keep this secret.
So he said, "sorry", and that was that. We aren't dating now.
The religion itself is not the reason we split. It is involved, but the reasons are quite clear: His Fear and my Impatience.
If he wasn't such a coward, I'd still be dating him. If I weren't so Impatient, he'd still be dating me. The Jew and the Agnostic/Buddhist could have had a really great relationship, if it were not for the other two factors.
Originally posted by FeceMan
1. Christians are to pray for their enemies.
2. Christians are to glorify God in all things.
3. Christians are to abstain from sexual impurity.
4. Christians are to proclaim the truth and bring the Good News to all.
5. Christians are to avoid overindulgence.
6. Christians are to suffer abuse and mockery without striking back.
7. Christians are not to gossip, curse, or otherwise say unclean things.
8. Christians are not to create for themselves idols, either literally or figuratively.
9. Christians are to "remember the Sabbath and keep it holy."
10. Christians are to do as commanded in Matthew 5:39-42.
So the moral of the story is to spread like a plague, but be nice about it?
Originally posted by Goddess KaliI think some of the reason why difference in religions would be about where you end up, if you feel that your belief will get you to heaven and the other will not would you want to spend your life knowing that when you die that your loved one you spent your life with will not be there with you for eternity?
I do not see why Religion should be a factor when two people love eachother. I know it can cause friction, but if religious differences were the reason two people separated, then the religion was more powerful than the love itself.I dated a Jewish guy this summer, and I didn't care that he was Jewish. I was totally fine with it, I just liked [b]him
. His green eyes, his brown hair, his ****, and his personality.His religion is not the reason we went separate ways. It was his Fear.
His parents were strict. Orthadox Jew I beleive. His parents, I think were so strict, they may have disowned him for discovering he was Gay. I don't know.
But his Fear was so great, that:
-He did not want his parents to know I existed
-I could only hang out with him when his parents weren't around.
I'm not a patient person. I sed "f*ck that". I told him I will not wait around, too see him twice or three times a month, just because he feels the need to keep this secret.
So he said, "sorry", and that was that. We aren't dating now.
The religion itself is not the reason we split. It is involved, but the reasons are quite clear: His Fear and my Impatience.
If he wasn't such a coward, I'd still be dating him. If I weren't so Impatient, he'd still be dating me. The Jew and the Agnostic/Buddhist could have had a really great relationship, if it were not for the other two factors. [/B]
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
And a relationship with a nonbeliever might make that difficult?
No real set standard there for what that means, being a personal thing. As above.
Which constitutes what - sex outside of marriage?
Not all Christians take the whole evangelism to great lengths.
Not sure how a nonbeliever might be a stumbling block to that, but anyway.
As above. And unclean things? Some of the Christians I have known have a colorful vocabulary.
Again as above. Basically a nice list of things but I can think of only a few Christians who keep true to every single one (excusing personal interpretation and manners of person piety) and that is without having nonbelievers in their lives. No real reason why a nonbeliever would be more of burden or stumbling block to any of them, or a significant one to begin with.
And besides, I thought the main thing a Christian had to do was repent and accept Jesus.
Everything else after that seems to be more suggestions for living a good Christian life rather then something that will loose you your salvation rights.
But then that depends on whether a person believes you are saved forever when you ask forgiveness or whether you can loose them.
I believe yes, in terms of respect and communication, I was saying it is quite possible for a nonbeliever to accept a believers decision not to engage in sex outside of marriage.But as we are all aware some very real relationships that are just as loving and just as destined to last their whole lives don't place the same importance on the two involved waiting till after they are married.
Statement: In these relationships, the nonbeliever likely to act as a stumbling block to the nonbeliever through sexual temptation.
Different perceptions on life as Christians, interpretations etc etc etc
When I have kids I plan to have my children exposed to the temple and god, although I am an atheist. It is not my place to decide what their beliefs are for them .
To the religious people who say that living with a non-believer is impossible because your kids are obligated to share your beliefs: That's bullshit. This is yet another way that Christians try and impsoe their beliefs on people, even their own children.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
I think some of the reason why difference in religions would be about where you end up, if you feel that your belief will get you to heaven and the other will not would you want to spend your life knowing that when you die that your loved one you spent your life with will not be there with you for eternity?
The guy I dated is not very religious himself. He is Jewish by blood (Israeli) and tradition. His parents are religious. He's not. He and I didn't work, not because of religious differences, but because his fear and my impatience.
If it weren't for those two factors, he and I could have worked out, despite our different religions.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Statement: Christians are called to live in a manner that is different in the following ways:1. Christians are to pray for their enemies.
2. Christians are to glorify God in all things.
3. Christians are to abstain from sexual impurity.
4. Christians are to proclaim the truth and bring the Good News to all.
5. Christians are to avoid overindulgence.
6. Christians are to suffer abuse and mockery without striking back.
7. Christians are not to gossip, curse, or otherwise say unclean things.
8. Christians are not to create for themselves idols, either literally or figuratively.
9. Christians are to "remember the Sabbath and keep it holy."
10. Christians are to do as commanded in Matthew 5:39-42.
Conjecture: There are very few true "Christians" in the world.