Thanos w/ HOTI vs the Presence

Started by Air Legend49 pages

No. False. DC writers have given thier authority to the presence who at times is the writers and even higher, the editor. Mike carlin anyone? Editor>>writer.

Yes guys, the comic book character called the Presence can become the real world writer and write comic books 🙄

When have you seen the presence in DC?
And when has the presence EVER been tricked by the master manipulator, and or needed to gain omnipotence?
when has the presence ever overlooked someone?

He has never been seen outside of Vertigo. I guess Presence looses due to lack of feats.

How do we know Thanos was tricked by the One above all? It surely doesn't say it in the comic. Thanos says he's supreme and then later admits he isn't.

Take an English class and pay attention so you can learn how to understand an author's purpose.

All the rest of this is an attempt at insulting.

So this what you say when you run out of thoughts and ways to respond? 🙄

Take an English class and read a comic book. Anybody with half a brain knows that they were referring to the artists and writers when it was written that Thanos was manipulated by a higher power. I guess this is impossible for a simpleton like you to comprehend because there is no way a writer can actually have an extended meaning to his words. I guess you need it explained to you like a church story (A story in which you understand the meaning by the end of the story but then the narrator tells you the meaning anyways even though you already figured it out).

I guess that's how it has to be explained to you nvr. I guess the writers have to write it out that the "higher powers" was them instead of just writing what they wrote and letting the people figure out the simple meaning for themselves.

You're the kind of person that would ask: "How do we know Jesus doesn't want us to murder" after Jesus was done telling a parable.

Originally posted by Air Legend
[B]No. False. DC writers have given thier authority to the presence who at times is the writers and even higher, the editor. Mike carlin anyone? Editor>>writer.

Yes guys, the comic book character called the Presence can become the real world writer and write comic books 🙄

When have you seen the presence in DC?
And when has the presence EVER been tricked by the master manipulator, and or needed to gain omnipotence?
when has the presence ever overlooked someone?

He has never been seen outside of Vertigo. I guess Presence looses due to lack of feats.

How do we know Thanos was tricked by the One above all? It surely doesn't say it in the comic. Thanos says he's supreme and then later admits he isn't.

Take an English class and pay attention so you can learn how to understand an author's purpose.

All the rest of this is an attempt at insulting.

So this what you say when you run out of thoughts and ways to respond? 🙄

Take an English class and read a comic book. Anybody with half a brain knows that they were referring to the artists and writers when it was written that Thanos was manipulated by a higher power. I guess this is impossible for a simpleton like you to comprehend because there is no way a writer can actually have an extended meaning to his words. I guess you need it explained to you like a church story (A story in which you understand the meaning by the end of the story but then the narrator tells you the meaning anyways even though you already figured it out).

I guess that's how it has to be explained to you nvr. I guess the writers have to write it out that the "higher powers" was them instead of just writing what they wrote and letting the people figure out the simple meaning for themselves.

You're the kind of person that would ask: "How do we know Jesus doesn't want us to murder" after Jesus was done telling a parable. [/B]

All of this doesn't change the fact that the presence is supreme in DC. has never been challenged. now you have a good nite. 😄

The HOTI is the power of the Marvel writers, eh? The TOAA if you will. Last time I checked, Marvel writers can not depower or absorb beings from another comic company. In other words, the HOTI would not actually work against a DC character since the Marvel writers have no influence in DC comics. So, the HOTI wouldn't even work against Batman, technically...lol

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
All of this doesn't change the fact that the presence is supreme in DC. has never been challenged. now you have a good nite. 😄
presence is the same in vertigo as it is in dc. geb stalemated so there goes ur idea for supremacy. dont get mad at me but get mad at the dc writers.

Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
The HOTI is the power of the Marvel writers, eh? The TOAA if you will. Last time I checked, Marvel writers can not depower or absorb beings from another comic company. In other words, the HOTI would not actually work against a DC character since the Marvel writers have no influence in DC comics. So, the HOTI wouldn't even work against Batman, technically...lol
thanos was supreme in this story. he could absorb all of dc. i cant think of anyone who could beat thanos from this story from using panel feats.

Originally posted by kevdude
If TOAA is a real person and God is the TOAA within the MU then can you explain how God is talking to TOAA on the phone?? Scan to prove it.
http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour51118yp4.jpg

It is all about how you see God in comics, Mxy sees him as a Grant Morrison while F4 see's him as you know who. Don't see why some have this anti-DC agenda...

They are simply breaking the fourth wall. 😬

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You don't know alot of things. From the looks of it.

Actually you don't know ANYTHING when it comes to DC.

This could be snapped back at you concerning Marvel.

He's defending his point Nvr, let him live.

He who is without ignorance may throw the first stone. 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
you should prolly take your band of marvel zombie freinds
and astay out of threads that involve DC characters

Again,

this could also be snapped back at you concerning Marvel characters.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos was NEVER GOD.

durznuts

Again, and again and again ahhhh ... 7900f44c82a964c25f448263bcfaa7a6

Originally posted by King Kandy
Thanos WAS God. You fail.

👆 ✅

the marvel universe is NOT the OMNIVERSE.

omniverse= all realities/voids/realms/universes/multiverses/megaverses of ALL comic book developers.

it is s singular universe connected to a SINGLE multiverse{616} and the multiverse is dependant on its existnce. furthermore, marvel has a beyond realm and void.

the void and beyond realm was not TOUCHED. nor was death destroyed.

now you can avoid the fact all u want and give ambiguous evidence about what the marvel handbook means by SUPREME ETC. but fact is, a reality is more than SPACE{eternity} and TIME{infinity}. if u havent forgotten, the infinites{above infinity}, the vishaantis, chronos, the beyonder, the beyond realm, roma, ultimate nullifier, abraxas, etc etc.

THOTU was power to recreate the entire, non void/non beyond realm existance of marvel. TOO BAD that that existane amounts to nuthing more than a single multiverse. hence it is <the dc/vertigo megaverse which has many multiverses and things beyond them.

the presence cumberstomps him.

Originally posted by Air Legend
[B]No. False. DC writers have given thier authority to the presence who at times is the writers and even higher, the editor. Mike carlin anyone? Editor>>writer.

Yes guys, the comic book character called the Presence can become the real world writer and write comic books 🙄

When have you seen the presence in DC?
And when has the presence EVER been tricked by the master manipulator, and or needed to gain omnipotence?
when has the presence ever overlooked someone?

He has never been seen outside of Vertigo. I guess Presence looses due to lack of feats.

How do we know Thanos was tricked by the One above all? It surely doesn't say it in the comic. Thanos says he's supreme and then later admits he isn't.

Take an English class and pay attention so you can learn how to understand an author's purpose.

All the rest of this is an attempt at insulting.

So this what you say when you run out of thoughts and ways to respond? 🙄

Take an English class and read a comic book. Anybody with half a brain knows that they were referring to the artists and writers when it was written that Thanos was manipulated by a higher power. I guess this is impossible for a simpleton like you to comprehend because there is no way a writer can actually have an extended meaning to his words. I guess you need it explained to you like a church story (A story in which you understand the meaning by the end of the story but then the narrator tells you the meaning anyways even though you already figured it out).

I guess that's how it has to be explained to you nvr. I guess the writers have to write it out that the "higher powers" was them instead of just writing what they wrote and letting the people figure out the simple meaning for themselves.

You're the kind of person that would ask: "How do we know Jesus doesn't want us to murder" after Jesus was done telling a parable. [/B]

this is ownage in the highest. wow. nicely done.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the marvel universe is NOT the OMNIVERSE.

According to Marvel Comics,

the Marvel Universe IS an OMNIVERSE!

Roma's Starlight Citidel oversees the entire Marvel Omniverse:


"from this venue,

the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"

But how can this be if Marvel only has one Multiverse?

.........................................................................................

Roma can also destroy any Universe within the Omniverse with the Celestial Nullifier:

"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"

"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the OMNIVERSE CEASES TO EXIST"

But how can this be if Marvel only has one Multiverse?
.........................................................................................

In fact, the Celestial Nullifier has been able to do for quite a while:


"A WHOLE UNIVERSE! ... He just WIPED OUT a WHOLE UNIVERSE at the flick of a switch"


"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe
that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"

But how can this be if Marvel only has one Multiverse?
.........................................................................................

The actual Omniverse being depicted On Panel:

Within the Siege Perilous:


It's an Infinite tunnel of UniverseS:

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2007 - Glossary)

"OMNIVERSE - Group of Alternate UniverseS that encompass ALL REALITY"

But how can this be if Marvel only has one Multiverse?
.........................................................................................

Hey, did anyone notice how similar the Siege Perilous is to the Cosmic Vortex?


"An Infinity Beyond Infinity"

My, my.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
omniverse= all realities/voids/realms/universes/multiverses/megaverses of ALL comic book developers.

That's that Wiki garbage.

Marvel has it's own Omniverse, been had it in canonicity since 92'

but it was created in 82-83 by titles connected to Marvel (UK)
but not canon.

Or, you prefer the Watcher's (Uatu) validation:

First time the Omniverse was acknowledged by Marvel ON PANEL (1992)

The Watcher and Her, are searching for Quasar who Quantum Jumped out of the 616 Multiverse into the Multiverse that houses the New Universe.

"He is somewhere Beyond the Mutliverse of Dimensions"

"What's Beyond the Multiverse?"

"Beyond the Multiverse Exists an Omniverse, a Continuum of Multiverses"

Watcher goes on to say it has never been proven.

But let's proceed.

"I refuse to believe you (Quasar) are dead, you must be in the Omniverse"

Quasar returns to the 616 Multiverse

"I know atleast it's the right Multiverse" (signifying MORE than one)

In the end, the Marvel Omniverse is confirmed ON PANEL


"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"

Originally posted by leonheartmm
it is s singular universe connected to a SINGLE multiverse{616}
and the multiverse is dependant on its existnce.

The Marvel Universe is one big Universe,

this one big Universe is the Omniverse which = an Infinity beyond Infinity.

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to Marvel Comics,

the Marvel Universe IS an OMNIVERSE!

Roma's Starlight Citidel [B]oversees the entire Marvel Omniverse:


"from this venue,

the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"

But how can this be if Marvel only has one Multiverse?

.........................................................................................

Roma can also destroy any Universe within the Omniverse with the Celestial Nullifier:

"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"

"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the OMNIVERSE CEASES TO EXIST"

But how can this be if Marvel only has one Multiverse?
.........................................................................................

In fact, the Celestial Nullifier has been able to do for quite a while:


"A WHOLE UNIVERSE! ... He just WIPED OUT a WHOLE UNIVERSE at the flick of a switch"


"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe
that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"

But how can this be if Marvel only has one Multiverse?
.........................................................................................

The actual Omniverse being depicted On Panel:

Within the Siege Perilous:


It's an Infinite tunnel of UniverseS:

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2007 - Glossary)

"OMNIVERSE - Group of Alternate UniverseS that encompass ALL REALITY"

But how can this be if Marvel only has one Multiverse?
.........................................................................................

Hey, did anyone notice how similar the Siege Perilous is to the Cosmic Vortex?


"An Infinity Beyond Infinity"

My, my. [/B]

Cannot a singular Multiverse be as huge as an Omniverse? infinity has different meanings by different standards.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
furthermore, marvel has a beyond realm and void.

the void and beyond realm was not TOUCHED. nor was death destroyed.

Marvel has alot more than just a Void and a Beyond Realm outside the Prime Multiverse.

Nothing Outside of Time & Space was touched, I told you this already.

Thanos ONLY absorbed everything WITHIN Time & Space.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
now you can avoid the fact all u want

"fact?" (because YOU say so?) 😆

I didn't avoid anything I even responded to your empty unsupported claims.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and give ambiguous evidence about what the marvel handbook means by SUPREME ETC.

Of course.

I'm posting scans straight from Marvel Comics and Marvel Bios and Marvel websites,

yet you call it "ambiguous evidence"

You've posted nothing but fonts, and have yet to back up one of your claims.

This is what evidence is friend:

Reed called God/Toaa's Pencil:


"the Wellspring of ALL Reality"

Thanos called THOTI:


"the Source from which all other power throughout Time & Space Springs"

Coincidence? hm

..................................................................................................


"Eternity, you must sense that Everything the Almighty was I now am,

did you ever dare demand anything from Him"

Eternity RESPONDS,

"No, but" .... (Eternity is actually acknowledging that Thanos speaks the truth)


"And I, like He was, am now the Author of All That Will Be ... my Will is Supreme"

noneyes

Originally posted by leonheartmm
but fact is,

That the Marvel Universe is an Omniverse,

and Thanos erased & recreated ALL of Time & Space in the Omniverse.

What was shown on panel was the Marvel Universe:

The Marvel Universe is the Omniverse.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

Towards the bottom under (The Ends of The Universe)

...........................................................................................................

On Panel:

"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"

"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?"

"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign .. Until .."


"Nothing Remained"

...........................................................................................................

I always knew this meant what it obviously meant.

Thanos started out by absorbing the 616 Reality (Eternity & Infinity)
and then to make sure that no one could ever try to touch him,
he absorbed all the Time & Space in the Omniverse.

Or as the Official Marvel bios state:

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Eterntiy - Bio)

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Eterntiy - Bio)
"Thanos claimed THOTI ... Eternity opposed ... Thanos destroyed All of Reality"

What is "All of Reality?"

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2007 - Glossary)

"The Omniverse, Group of Alternate UniverseS that encompass All Reality"

The Omniverse according to Marvel the company that creates and publishes Marvel comics.

...........................................................................................................

Or ALL of Existence = ALL of Marvel!

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 LT - Bio)

"Thanos gained THOTI ... LT joined champions across Reality ..

Thanos destroyed All that existed"

Originally posted by leonheartmm
a reality is more than SPACE{eternity} and TIME{infinity}.

Those are the Two major components that make up Reality.

Other factors maintain & influence the balance of those Two components.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
if u havent forgotten, the infinites{above infinity}, the vishaantis, chronos, the beyonder, the beyond realm, roma, ultimate nullifier, abraxas, etc etc.

Infinites are below Eternity/Infinity (the Multiverse)

Vishanti are in a Reality separated from 616,
outside the influence of Eternity/Infinity.

Chronos is part of 616 tapestry.

The Beyonder,
encompassed a Universe weaker than an Aspect of Eternity (singular Universe)
His present status/condition is inconclusive.

The Beyond Realm is the Realm Beyonder encompassed.

Roma is in OtherWorld.

UN (inconsequential)

Abraxas can only manifest if 616 Galactus "dies" (returns to natural state)

Ect. ect ... bring it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
THOTU was power to recreate the entire, non void/non beyond realm existance of marvel. TOO BAD that that existane amounts to nuthing more than a single multiverse.

In your mind and your mind alone,

but to Marvel, the Universe amounts to nothing more than an Omniverse.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hence it is <the dc/vertigo megaverse which has many multiverses and things beyond them.

You really have your facts twisted.

DC is the company that actually might've limited their Reality into 52 Universes.

Vertigo? (whatver)

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the presence cumberstomps him.

DC's Supreme Being > Marvel's Supreme Being?

Since you've made so much sense, with wisdom and proof, I agree.

presence cant defeat thanos. thanos can defeat presence. thats how to sum it up. one is supreme and one isnt.

Mr.Master, do you believe that Thanos /w HOTI can beat TOAA?

Do you think that the TOAA can take away the power that he gave Thanos?

I'd like to know your stance on those two questions.

Originally posted by quanchi112
presence cant defeat thanos. thanos can defeat presence. thats how to sum it up. one is supreme and one isnt.

Again Quan...Thanos wasn't REALLY Supreme except on panel....the real TOAA could erase him in an instant. Do you understand this?

So, how can you say that Thanos with the WRITER'S power...can ABSORB a DC character? That is BS and you know it. If you continue to believe this...then, you you are actually suggesting that Marvel has creative control over DC.

Thanos was all that the TOAA(Writer) was. So tell me if you think that a Marvel writer is greater than a character in DC comics...a character which the writer did not create.

Thanos with the HOTI should not be used in fights outside of Marvel...because his power CAN NOT apply to another comic company. If you want to use a Supreme Being against DC....you would have to use the Infinity Being...since, his power was not the power of the writer's(ON PANEL).

Originally posted by rico777
Mr.Master, do you believe that Thanos /w HOTI can beat TOAA?

Do you think that the TOAA can take away the power that he gave Thanos?

I'd like to know your stance on those two questions.

The TOAA represents the WRITER of the story at Marvel comics. Since Thanos is just a comic book character, then the TOAA could erase Thanos at any moment...kill him off...retcon him into non-existence...anything the WRITER chooses to do that the EDITORIAL staff accepts can happen on PANEL.

So, with this in mind...Thanos is just a drawing on a piece of paper to the TOAA(the WRITER). The writer can crumble the paper up and throw it in the trash. So, can the TOAA take away Thanos' power? Yes, if the WRITER(TOAA) writes it in a comic.