Thanos w/ HOTI vs the Presence

Originally posted by Mr Master
Only Beyonder's adventures during Secret Wars II was slightly retconned.

Beyonder's feats were turned into Universal feats (like killing "Multi" Death)

Other feats were given a side story, like when Beyonder stomped the Celestials hand to hand,
in the Retcon, they allowed the Beyonder to stomp them.

The Marvel Reality stayed the same though.

I'm not talking about that retcon. I'm talking about marvel's retcon, when We find out that there is an omniverse. You yourself said that the omniverse birthed out of the 616 mutliverse. So it didnt' always exist. Which means the Lt's power grew when marvel's reality grew. The LT thus was retconned into an ABOVE omniversal being in my opinion.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm not talking about that retcon. I'm talking about marvel's retcon,
when We find out that there is an omniverse.

That wasn't a retcon though,
that was a realization.

Uatu had said he always knew of it, but wasn't sure it existed:

Sometime between Secret Wars and 1992 the Multiverse expanded.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You yourself said that the omniverse birthed out of the 616 mutliverse.
So it didnt' always exist.

True.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Which means the Lt's power grew when marvel's reality grew.
The LT thus was retconned into an ABOVE omniversal being in my opinion.

The LT has the same basic bio since 1983:

(in terms of his power)

The only extras added in the 06' bio is historical accounts since then.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That wasn't a retcon though,
that was a realization.

Uatu had said he always knew of it, but wasn't sure it existed:

Sometime between Secret Wars and 1992 the Multiverse expanded.

True.

The LT has the same basic bio since 1983:

(in terms of his power)

The only extras added in the 06' bio is historical accounts since then.

Superman has the same bio as well. but we know for sure he's more pwoerful than he was when he died at doomsday hands. his feats cement this argument.

The LT is more powerful becuz he sits over what is the omniverse. there coudl have been no omniverse when the beyonder was around becuz the beyonder was everything outside of the MULTIVERSE. the two couldn't occupy the same space. So for all intents and purposes, the Lt in the story has to be treated as a separate entity. hell the entire story should be treated as wholly seperate from marvel since it would contradict the marvel omniverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman has the same bio as well. but we know for sure he's more pwoerful than he was when he died at doomsday hands. his feats cement this argument.

This is irrelevent to Marvel

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The LT is more powerful becuz he sits over what is the omniverse. there coudl have been no omniverse when the beyonder was around becuz the beyonder was everything outside of the MULTIVERSE. the two couldn't occupy the same space. So for all intents and purposes, the Lt in the story has to be treated as a separate entity. hell the entire story should be treated as wholly seperate from marvel since it would contradict the marvel omniverse.

As you wish. I made my case, nothing more to say.

again presence cant defeat geb, thanos defeated all challengers at the same time. thanos wins.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is irrelevent to Marvel

As you wish. I made my case, nothing more to say.

And I made mine, which ultra so eloquently posted scans to back up my case which just happens to be him. The beyonder was mererly a multiverse millions of times more powerful than the then Nigh infinite 616.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And I made mine, which ultra so eloquently posted scans to back up my case which just happens to be him. The beyonder was mererly a multiverse millions of times more powerful than the then Nigh infinite 616.

😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
u have a case.... what did i miss?

😆

School, comics, Life.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
School, comics, Life.

😆 tell us how much money u make now.

Originally posted by quanchi112
here we go u always want to talk about other things on c comic book debate.

😆 tell us how much money u make now.

This year, 180k. 😎

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This year, 180k. 😎

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is irrelevent to Marvel

Originally posted by King Kandy
Um, it's called an analogy...
Just because the thing that it's being compared to is from DC doesn't mean it's irrelevant.

I know what it's called, DC and Marvel have different standards,
therefore that particular analogy in response to my specific statement
was irrelevant.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I know what it's called, DC and Marvel have different standards,
therefore that particular analogy in response to my specific statement
was irrelevant.

But no one would suggest the real world=Marvel Comics. That's why it's an analogy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And I made mine, which ultra so eloquently posted scans to back up my case which just happens to be him.
The beyonder was mererly a multiverse millions of times more powerful than the then Nigh infinite 616.

Actually the Multiverse was Infinite in Beyonder's era.

The "nigh-infinite UniverseS" was late 82'

Secret Wars II was 85'

and the Marvel Universe (the Multiverse)
had an "Endless number of Dimensions"

"Indeed, it is a Multiverse"

Originally posted by King Kandy
So? Analogy's to the real world are used all the time

But no one would suggest the real world=Marvel Comics. That's why it's an analogy.

No doubt,
and I never said the comment was irrelevant because it was an analogy,
it was irrelevant cause it had nothing to with my point.

Which was that Marvel has never made a conclusive remark
about an LT retcon or power boost, which is a fact.
That's why I posted the 83' bio.

If DC keeps it's readers unaware of retcons or powerups that's their problem,
Marvel on the other hand let's it be known,
so if marvel has never made a comment about it anywhere,
there's no need to fantasize about "retcons" that never took place.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually the Multiverse was Infinite in Beyonder's era.

The "nigh-infinite UniverseS" was late 82'

Secret Wars II was 85'

and the Marvel Universe (the Multiverse)
had an "Endless number of Dimensions"

"Indeed, it is a Multiverse"

Originally posted by Merlyn
It was all retconned anyway, so what Beyonder may have seen during that mini, is irrelevant. 😉

I wanted to keep it specific to the debate at hand, Secret Wars.

But if you'd like I can post 10 scans back to back
stating how the Multiverse was and is Infinite since 84 actually, not even 85. 🙂

Originally posted by Merlyn
It was all retconned anyway, so what Beyonder may have seen during that mini, is irrelevant. 😉

By the way,

I just noticed that's Jim Shooter talking, the Writer/narrator.

No need to bust out the scans after all. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
I wanted to keep it specific to the debate at hand, Secret Wars.

But if you'd like I can post 10 scans back to back
stating how the Multiverse was and is Infinite since 84 actually, not even 85. 🙂