Originally posted by quanchi112
thanos was supreme, something the presence wasnt until he had to combine with the geb.
Supreme >> Yahweh = GEB + God
Originally posted by Astner
But the DC hierarchy is not that good, basicly it's just people posting their own lists, no feats, questions nor answers.
View the respect threads. Read DC comics. It takes years to understand the cosmos of DC. A few scans and clipped posting won't give you the real dept of what happens. Without knowing the history of DC, one would be silly enough to think that The GEB or Yeweh weren't Supreme, Or that the Spectre actually couldn't beat the mystichs in DOV with a wave of his hand, or one would be silly enough to think that the Godwave is the totality of the power of the presence. Or that DC is just one multiverse. You gotta know all of it for it to make sense and for the pieces to fit. YOu can't read one Spectre story and think you know the hierachy of heaven. YOu can't think Countdown Tells the full tell of DC when so much can only be put into one series. You can't cover 60 years of history in a 3 page back up that last only a few weeks.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
View the respect threads. Read DC comics. It takes years to understand the cosmos of DC. A few scans and clipped posting won't give you the real dept of what happens. Without knowing the history of DC, one would be silly enough to think that The GEB or Yeweh weren't Supreme, Or that the Spectre actually couldn't beat the mystichs in DOV with a wave of his hand, or one would be silly enough to think that the Godwave is the totality of the power of the presence. Or that DC is just one multiverse. You gotta know all of it for it to make sense and for the pieces to fit. YOu can't read one Spectre story and think you know the hierachy of heaven. YOu can't think Countdown Tells the full tell of DC when so much can only be put into one series. You can't cover 60 years of history in a 3 page back up that last only a few weeks.
Those are very good points, actually 👆
It's like when people read one issue of Spawn, and think they know how powerful he really is (or isn't). Or when a newbie to Spawn reads the Armaggedon Arc, and thinks they know how powerful God and Satan are, without giving any thought or contrast to the entire history of Heaven, Hell, and Greenworld.
However, at the same time, when you make claims or arguments to back up DC, you need to provide scans or references. Even when you know you are right, other's won't.
MR. Master provides scans and references all the time.
If you don't have a scanner, or access to the visuals of a comic book or graphic novel, then you need to provide references. A reference would be the title, issue#, page, and/or quote.
So atleast this way, people can refer to what you are talking about themselves, because they will know what to research.
It's like you want people to be made aware of the entire truth about DC, but then you don't wanna put in the work to educate people.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Those are very good points, actually 👆It's like when people read one issue of Spawn, and think they know how powerful he really is (or isn't). Or when a newbie to Spawn reads the Armaggedon Arc, and thinks they know how powerful God and Satan are, without giving any thought or contrast to the entire history of Heaven, Hell, and Greenworld.
However, at the same time, when you make claims or arguments to back up DC, you need to provide scans or references. Even when you know you are right, other's won't.
MR. Master provides scans and references all the time.
If you don't have a scanner, or access to the visuals of a comic book or graphic novel, then you need to provide references. A reference would be the title, issue#, page, and/or quote.
So atleast this way, people can refer to what you are talking about themselves, because they will know what to research.
It's like you want people to be made aware of the entire truth about DC, but then you don't wanna put in the work to educate people.
Thanks for the constuctive observations. THe Good the bad and the ugly. But meh, I"m an executive. Being lazy is what I do. 😛 I can't even type or spell well. LMAO. I'll do better with scans and issue numbers now that I found out they sell entire comics series on DVD-Roms.
This match ends in a stalemate. Both are supreme within the comics. The Presence is not the artists and writers of DC. If he was, we couldn't compare the two because DC artists and writers have no control over Marvel comics. If the Presence did represent the real artists and writers he couldn't beat or lose to say even Spiderman for that matter.
The fact is the Presence is a comic book character and therefore can be gauged against other comic book characters.
Stalemate. Thanos HOTI is a supreme comic book character manipulated by the real life writers. The Presence with GEB is a supreme comic book character that was created by the real writers aka the "external forces".
Originally posted by Air Legend
This match ends in a stalemate. Both are supreme within the comics. The Presence is not the artists and writers of DC. If he was, we couldn't compare the two because DC artists and writers have no control over Marvel comics. If the Presence did represent the real artists and writers he couldn't beat or lose to say even Spiderman for that matter.
The fact is the Presence is a comic book character and therefore can be gauged against other comic book characters.
Stalemate. Thanos HOTI is a supreme comic book character manipulated by the real life writers. The Presence with GEB is a supreme comic book character that was created by the real writers aka the "external forces".
Originally posted by RUNMAN
I think the solution to this may lie in the Marvel and DC hierarchy.I know the erudite Mr. Master did one for Marvel
Let's post it here so that we can understand and compare better this battle..
TOAA & GOD (inconsequential)
because everything below is drawings on a piece of paper to them.
In fact, Marvel has it as though they themselves create & draw the Marvel comics we read.
THOTI
The LT & Scathan glare (I disaprove of this ... but it is Canon)
The Alien Entity
The BeyonderS
Edifice Rex
Jaspers 616
Jamie Braddock
Merlyn
Havok/Nexus
Meggan (FP)
Captain Britain (Sword/Amulet)
Vangaard
Masters of the Matrix
Eternity/Infinity/Umar
Death/Oblivion
Other Multiversal Abstracts
The Infinites
The Makers
Slorioth
The Hunger
The Universal Abstracts (Phoenix Force included)
This is a Current active hierarchy.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlOne of the better posts I've seen concerning DC cosmology, in quite a while. 👆
View the respect threads. Read DC comics. It takes years to understand the cosmos of DC. A few scans and clipped posting won't give you the real dept of what happens. Without knowing the history of DC, one would be silly enough to think that The GEB or Yeweh weren't Supreme, Or that the Spectre actually couldn't beat the mystichs in DOV with a wave of his hand, or one would be silly enough to think that the Godwave is the totality of the power of the presence. Or that DC is just one multiverse. You gotta know all of it for it to make sense and for the pieces to fit. YOu can't read one Spectre story and think you know the hierachy of heaven. YOu can't think Countdown Tells the full tell of DC when so much can only be put into one series. You can't cover 60 years of history in a 3 page back up that last only a few weeks.
Originally posted by RUNMAN
I think the solution to this may lie in the Marvel and DC hierarchy. I know the erudite Mr. Master did one for Marvel before and another person for DC as well. Let's post it here so that we can understand and compare better this battle...
DC hierachy
The Presence
Micheal/Source>=Lucifer/Elaine (Of Vertigo)
The Spectre
The Phantom Stranger
The Ultimator
The Quantums
Mr. Mxy
The Endless ( On Average, Destiny is just under the Presence IMO)
The Anti Monitor
Classic ION/Parallax
Batmite
The 5 D imps (the rest of them)
Nabu
Dominus
Kismet
S'ivva
Mageddon
The Prometheans
The Monitors
The Oans (on Average)
New Gods ( On Average)
Olympians( On Average)
Asgardians
There are others that I left out, Some of them are hard to peg as they could be at one place one minute, and another the next.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlWhy do I not see Cosmic Extant anywhere on that list? 😛
DC hierachyThe Presence
Micheal/Source>=Lucifer/Elaine (Of Vertigo)
The Spectre
The Phantom Stranger
The Ultimator
The Quantums
Mr. Mxy
The Endless ( On Average, Destiny is just under the Presence IMO)
The Anti Monitor
Classic ION/Parallax
Batmite
The 5 D imps (the rest of them)
Nabu
Dominus
Kismet
S'ivva
Mageddon
The Prometheans
The Monitors
The Oans (on Average)
New Gods ( On Average)
Olympians( On Average)
AsgardiansThere are others that I left out, Some of them are hard to peg as they could be at one place one minute, and another the next.
Anyway,
There's a few I might add, but that's a pretty good general list. 👆
[I see you liked my thoughts on Destiny, huh]? 😄
Originally posted by Galan007
Why do I not see Cosmic Extant anywhere on that list? 😛Anyway,
There's a few I might add, but that's a pretty good general list. 👆
[I see you liked my thoughts on Destiny, huh]? 😄
Yes I do. No one can beat Destiny but the presence.
Others who would get on the list would be
Metron with the Worlogog
Cosmic Extant
Mordru
Who ever wields the Godwave
The Time trapper
Nebula Man
Infinite Man
The ALE entity
Trigon
Who Ever Wields the Grandmother Box
Mogo (Who has the 2nd largest storage of OAn power behind the battery)
And any multiversal and universal beings in the Wildstorm multiverse.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlAs long as Destiny is needed, this is correct.
Yes I do. No one can beat Destiny but the presence.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlCheck out this scan of the ALE...
Others who would get on the list would beMetron with the Worlogog
Cosmic Extant
Mordru
Who ever wields the Godwave
The Time trapper
Nebula Man
Infinite Man
The ALE entity
Trigon
Who Ever Wields the Grandmother Box
Mogo (Who has the 2nd largest storage of OAn power behind the battery)
And any multiversal and universal beings in the Wildstorm multiverse.
"I am Anti-Life, the beast of judgement. I am the dark at the end of everything. The end of UniverseS, Gods, Worlds...... Of everything":
