Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Roma couldn't erase DC's universes if she wished if Spectre was part.
He wouldn't allow her.
So now Spectre is superior to Roma within Marvel Comics.
hysterical
Goodness will this rubbish ever stop.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Just like she can't do it in Marvel. The LT supercedes her.
Actaully Roma can erase any Universe she needs to erase, period.
LT, Merlyn and Roma have equal status (concerning leeway) in Marvel.
But the LT is more powerful.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And it's obviously the spectre. The companies do stuff like that all the time.
So Roma can erase DC and the LT is the ultimate Judge of DC.
Nice.
This also means the slew of Omniversal busters in Marvel can also take out DC.
Sweet.
Originally posted by Mr Mastermarvel in my opinion has always faced biger threats than dc. i mean the am, wow and he might have been the biggest threat ever or there.
So now Spectre is superior to Roma within Marvel Comics.hysterical
Goodness will this rubbish ever stop.
Actaully Roma can erase any Universe she needs to erase, period.
LT, Merlyn and Roma have equal status (concerning leeway) in Marvel.
But the LT is more powerful.
So Roma can erase DC and the LT is the ultimate Judge of DC.
Nice.
This also means the slew of Omniversal busters in Marvel can also take out DC.
Sweet.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Mr. M, Do you believe that Roma could erase a Universe that LT was protecting from her? That just sounds ludacris to me.
That sounds ludicrous to me too.
Which is why I said,
"Roma can erase any Universe she has needs to erase, period."
btw. When Merlyn was playing around with the entire 616 Multiverse,
no one interfered. They are the Omniversal Guardians, and as such can do anything they want with Reality.
I mean their entire existence has revolved around manipulating events across creation.
In the end though, LT >>> Merlyn/Roma
Anyway,
Someone had the odacity to state Spectre has jurisdiction in Marvel.
That's about the end of the road in fallacies being posted.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, I'm just saying, that even if Roma uses the CN,
if the LT wants the universe to live, then the CN wont work.
That will never happen though.
Cause like I already said, Roma and/or Merlyn have Omniversal jurisdiction.
In a way, even more than LT I'll dare say.
While the LT is more powerful than them, they can basically sunder the Omniverse too,
and, on their own accord, unlike the LT, who must follow protocol at all times.
Originally posted by King Kandy
No reason to think Spectre couldn't do something similar.
Well Spectre doesn't exist in Marvel, so that inconsequential.
On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing to suggest the LT & Spectre are equals.
But I'm not gonna argue that, because ... who
Originally posted by Mr Master
That sounds ludicrous to me too.Which is why I said,
"Roma can erase any Universe she [B]has needs to
erase, period."btw. When Merlyn was playing around with the entire 616 Multiverse,
no one interfered. They are the Omniversal Guardians, and as such can do anything they want with Reality.I mean their entire existence has revolved around manipulating events across creation.
In the end though, LT >>> Merlyn/Roma
Anyway,
Someone had the odacity to state Spectre has jurisdiction in Marvel.
That's about the end of the road in fallacies being posted. [/B]
WHo was this someone? Cuz it wasn't I. I gave a speculative. Do you know what that means? I gather you don't.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlu never show any scans or do anything to show why u have come up with ur own conclusions whereas he does everytime. he wins and u lose. thanos wins here in a curbstomp as well. weak ion doesnt stand a chance against thanos with the ig. hes out of his league.
So what's new? You don't even know what i'm saying.
Mr Master
It's no point in quoting you because many of your responses pretty much ignore everything I say , by using smilies and try to end the subject when you see that you cannot win . A discussion implies countering every point not only the ones that you can , so if you do that again I'll proced in doing the same . I will adress each point that we have discussed up until now .
1.Establishing if the Ultraforce/Avengers crossover is canon . First of all , that cover proves nothing especially since Malibu Comics is also present on the cover , indicating an intercompany crossover 😉
Just because the company that is Malibu Comics was purchased by Marvel Comics does in no way make that crossover canon .
Want more ? Okay . You said that the instant Malibu Comics was bought by Marvel comics it was sold under the title of Marvel ?
Let's analyze that shall we ? Malibu Comics was purchased in 1994 by Marvel comics .
Ultraforce #1 (1995 , 1 year after being bought by Marvel)
Ultraforce #6 (1996 , 2 years after being bought by Marvel)
Ultraforce #15 (1996 December , 2 years after being bought by Marvel)
Not to mention that there are several instances in DC where the company ownes others but in no way does it make it canon .
Again , this is just my first impression , I never really said that it isn't canon , but al the proof seems to show that it isn't . So until I'll read it when you show me it's canon . Until then ..
Points and scans from this crossover - Nullified .
2.The Ultimate Nullifier example .
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igvsunoz6.jpg
In this scan it is stated that Quasar is concentrating not to make the sphere of nullification grow and concentrate on the single individual , Magus . Thus , the power output of the Ultimate Nullifier isn't Multiversal or even Universal for that matter . Afterwards , it is stated that he turned the UN upon it's bearer , which even if Magus overpowered the energies that Quasar used with the UN , it still doesn't mean it still doesn't prove Multiversal power , as stated by Quasar himself that he focuses on a single individual . But this is not the case because it is stated that he turned the weapon upon it's bearer , which could either mean that he controlled those energies (which were focused on a single person and not on a Multiverse or Universe) or just teleport Quasar in front of them , in neither of the possible cases proving that the Infinity Gauntlet is Multiversal .
Point nullified .
3.You keep pointing out that he merged Universes . Well then , let's use an example to prove the power needed to merge this Universes . Let's say there is a bucket of water (representating the Multiverse) and a kid , who can't lift that bucket . Now the water contained in that bucket is used to fill many glasses (signifying the Universes withing a Multiverse).If the kid picks up a glass (which he can lift , signifying the Universe) ) and turns it in another glass of water , thus merging the water within the two glasses , does this mean he has Multiversal power ? No . Does this mean that he has the power to lift a glass (Universal) and turn it into another ? Yes .
As pointed out in this example aswell as the actual comic one , he used Universal power to merge the Universes , not Multiversal .
Point Nullified .
4.You keep bringing up the fact that he is stated to be "Absolute Omnipotent" and that he declared himself the supreme being in all Universes . As I pointed out , Absolute Omnipotence would mean total control over everything that exists , thus nobody can/should/would be stronger than him , when in fact , Living Tribunal is stronger than him .So you have Absolute power over anything yet you are weaker than someone ? No . If that would be the case , the maximum somebody would be able to pull out would be stalemate him if they , in return , would be Omnipotent .
Now you bring up the different degrees of "infinity" that you say Marvel supposdley uses you say . Now why exactly would you completly ignore my explination of what that scans say , and reply in your specific way ? It's a rather logical explination which doesn't contradict anything , but you still keep going with thinking that there are "different levels of infinity" which itself is laughable as a concept . Here's the explination I posted : " Actually this explination is rather logical if you have the capacity to comprehend it . Here , I'll explain it to you how I did with somebody else who used this .
Consider a character that has infinite control over Electromagnetism , and also consider a character who has infinite control over Gravity . Now , consider another character who has infinite control over all four fudnamental forces , Electromagnetism , Gravity , Strong Nuclear Force and Weak Nuclear Force . The powers of the first 2 characters , infinite as they are , are contained within the 3rd power , who is thus stronger ." Nothing irrational with it . But yet you ignore it .
Point nullified .
5.As somebody else already pointed out , you keep twisting statements made by characters . You say that them saying "Universe" actually reffers to the "Omniverse" and things of that sort with no actual evidence to stand for you . I'm really tired of this and if you continue doing so I'll stop discussing with you .
And another thing . Stop using Marvel.com as evidence because it makes you look really bad . See ya 😉
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Mr MasterIt's no point in quoting you because many of your responses pretty much ignore everything I say , by using smilies and try to end the subject when you see that you cannot win . A discussion implies countering every point not only the ones that you can , so if you do that again I'll proced in doing the same . I will adress each point that we have discussed up until now .
[B]1.
Establishing if the Ultraforce/Avengers crossover is canon . First of all , that cover proves nothing especially since Malibu Comics is also present on the cover , indicating an intercompany crossover 😉Just because the company that is Malibu Comics was purchased by Marvel Comics does in no way make that crossover canon .
Want more ? Okay . You said that the instant Malibu Comics was bought by Marvel comics it was sold under the title of Marvel ?
Let's analyze that shall we ? Malibu Comics was purchased in 1994 by Marvel comics .
Ultraforce #1 (1995 , 1 year after being bought by Marvel)
Ultraforce #6 (1996 , 2 years after being bought by Marvel)
Ultraforce #15 (1996 December , 2 years after being bought by Marvel)
Not to mention that there are several instances in DC where the company ownes others but in no way does it make it canon .
Again , this is just my first impression , I never really said that it isn't canon , but al the proof seems to show that it isn't . So until I'll read it when you show me it's canon . Until then ..
Points and scans from this crossover - Nullified .
2.The Ultimate Nullifier example .
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igvsunoz6.jpg
In this scan it is stated that Quasar is concentrating not to make the sphere of nullification grow and concentrate on the single individual , Magus . Thus , the power output of the Ultimate Nullifier isn't Multiversal or even Universal for that matter . Afterwards , it is stated that he turned the UN upon it's bearer , which even if Magus overpowered the energies that Quasar used with the UN , it still doesn't mean it still doesn't prove Multiversal power , as stated by Quasar himself that he focuses on a single individual . But this is not the case because it is stated that he turned the weapon upon it's bearer , which could either mean that he controlled those energies (which were focused on a single person and not on a Multiverse or Universe) or just teleport Quasar in front of them , in neither of the possible cases proving that the Infinity Gauntlet is Multiversal .
Point nullified .
3.You keep pointing out that he merged Universes . Well then , let's use an example to prove the power needed to merge this Universes . Let's say there is a bucket of water (representating the Multiverse) and a kid , who can't lift that bucket . Now the water contained in that bucket is used to fill many glasses (signifying the Universes withing a Multiverse).If the kid picks up a glass (which he can lift , signifying the Universe) ) and turns it in another glass of water , thus merging the water within the two glasses , does this mean he has Multiversal power ? No . Does this mean that he has the power to lift a glass (Universal) and turn it into another ? Yes .
As pointed out in this example aswell as the actual comic one , he used Universal power to merge the Universes , not Multiversal .
Point Nullified .
4.You keep bringing up the fact that he is stated to be "Absolute Omnipotent" and that he declared himself the supreme being in all Universes . As I pointed out , Absolute Omnipotence would mean total control over everything that exists , thus nobody can/should/would be stronger than him , when in fact , Living Tribunal is stronger than him .So you have Absolute power over anything yet you are weaker than someone ? No . If that would be the case , the maximum somebody would be able to pull out would be stalemate him if they , in return , would be Omnipotent .
Now you bring up the different degrees of "infinity" that you say Marvel supposdley uses you say . Now why exactly would you completly ignore my explination of what that scans say , and reply in your specific way ? It's a rather logical explination which doesn't contradict anything , but you still keep going with thinking that there are "different levels of infinity" which itself is laughable as a concept . Here's the explination I posted : " Actually this explination is rather logical if you have the capacity to comprehend it . Here , I'll explain it to you how I did with somebody else who used this .Consider a character that has infinite control over Electromagnetism , and also consider a character who has infinite control over Gravity . Now , consider another character who has infinite control over all four fudnamental forces , Electromagnetism , Gravity , Strong Nuclear Force and Weak Nuclear Force . The powers of the first 2 characters , infinite as they are , are contained within the 3rd power , who is thus stronger ." Nothing irrational with it . But yet you ignore it .
Point nullified .
5.As somebody else already pointed out , you keep twisting statements made by characters . You say that them saying "Universe" actually reffers to the "Omniverse" and things of that sort with no actual evidence to stand for you . I'm really tired of this and if you continue doing so I'll stop discussing with you .
And another thing . Stop using Marvel.com as evidence because it makes you look really bad . See ya 😉 [/B]
Two Thumbs waaaaaaaaaaaaaay up. You said so eloquently what I have been saying FOREVER about The IG and the UN. Bravo. He'll prolly post some little crazy smiley. He'll do that when he has no counter. Just pretend as if you are crazy and hard headed. Becuz you won't bow down to his " wisdom".
