Classic ION Vs Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well Warlock said "It can't end like this... Nor shall it"! It sure looked like he called Eternity/Infinity in because he couldn't get the Job Done.
Yeah, I'm sure a MERGED ETERNITY/INFINITY was needed to distract Thanos... Yeah right.

Did you not read the part where Magus gained the upper hand due to Warlocks distraction? When they were both in contact with the IG it was just a contest of wills, so when Warlock(and then Magus) lost focus it gave the other the upper hand. And again, Warlock is the one who actually makes a move on Magus(and says "Open your arms wide Magus"😉, Eternity and Infinity are just standing there.

King Kandy Senior Member

Yeah, but who knows what happened after that. It's not like a the M-Body has to physicaly move for Eternity to attack.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, but who knows what happened after that. It's not like a the M-Body has to physicaly move for Eternity to attack.

But Warlocks actions(jumping towards the IG again) suggest that HE'S the one who finished the job. If you don't want to accept that as fact because it wasn't actually shown that's fine, but you can't then claim that Eternity/Infinity finished it for the same reason. But seeing as how Warlock was moving to finish the fight that started with the two of them, it's pretty clear in my mind what happened.

And think about this, Eternity was beaten by the cosmic cubes which were shown to be less powerful than the incomplete IG, so it really doesn't make sense for Eternity to be able to take down Magus in the first place.

King Kandy Senior Member

Um do we have any proof that the five CCU's were weaker then the incomplete IG?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by King Kandy
Um do we have any proof that the five CCU's were weaker then the incomplete IG?

Yeah, the fact that Magus was able to do practically instantly what would have taken hours to accomplish with the cubes.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah, the fact that Magus was able to do practically instantly what would have taken hours to accomplish with the cubes.

But it was the cubes tha created the dopple universe. The Ig did no such thing on panel.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But it was the cubes tha created the dopple universe. The Ig did no such thing on panel.

But it was STILL shown to be more powerful when Magus explained how much longer it would take with the cubes. What's so hard to understand about that?

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah, the fact that Magus was able to do practically instantly what would have taken hours to accomplish with the cubes.

Yeah, but one CCU totaly controled a universe, why couldn't five control two?

Could it be because he did a lot of other Heavy Duty stuff with them earlier? Not to mention that he was manipulating the CCU's with computers and they usualy work on direct wishes.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, but one CCU totaly controled a universe, why couldn't five control two?
Could it be because he did a lot of other Heavy Duty stuff with them earlier? Not to mention that he was manipulating the CCU's with computers and they usualy work on direct wishes.

The cube that controlled the universe was used directly, the five cubes that the Magus used were used indirectly(he focused their power through tech) which explains why the results took longer. But since he was ALWAYS using them indirectly, that means that he beat Eternity by focusing them through tech also. And since that's the same method he used to merge the universes, it still shows the IG to be greater.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
The cube that controlled the universe was used directly, the five cubes that the Magus used were used indirectly(he focused their power through tech) which explains why the results took longer. But since he was ALWAYS using them indirectly, that means that he beat Eternity by focusing them through tech also. And since that's the same method he used to merge the universes, it still shows the IG to be greater.

Why? It shows the IG is superior to CCU's controled by Tech... Not their true usage.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by King Kandy
Why? It shows the IG is superior to CCU's controled by Tech... Not their true usage.

I'm not saying that the IG>CC's though(even though I believe it is), I'm pointing out that Magus was able to take out Eternity with the same CC based tech that the IG was shown to be superior to.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not saying that the IG>CC's though(even though I believe it is), I'm pointing out that Magus was able to take out Eternity with the same CC based tech that the IG was shown to be superior to.

Yes but this isn't JUST Eternity attacking him...

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yes but this isn't JUST Eternity attacking him...

Compare the difference in power necessary to accomplish in moments what would otherwise take hours. Now compare the power of Eternity with how much he gained with Infinity(it would effectively double since they're equals).

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But it was the cubes tha created the dopple universe. The Ig did no such thing on panel.

first off magus wanted the ig becuz it was superior if it wasnt he wouldnt have went to all this trouble and would have juts kept the cosmic cubes.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The spectre is multiversal and considers Ion a peer. Thanos never beat one multiversal being with the IG.

show me one uber uber uber being ion beat. thanos defeated all the heroes and all the abstracts. ion i bet couldnt defeat the heroes if they aligned themsleves against him.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IOn controls souls. check what Kilowog did with just his ring. And what Kyle as Ion did when he brought back his mother. I think Thanos wins due to the mind gem and his uber will.

didnt i already say that ion cant match wills with thanos. stealing my reasoning are you. thanos couldnt lose to him. plain and simple.

did ion have complete mastery over souls as thanos had stated on panel.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by King Kandy
ION can control Space, Time, Reality, Mind, and Power just as well as the IG can.
But the IG also can do souls, so it has an edge in this fight.

he can control u say but does ion have complete control or just some control. thanos had complete control.

that is the difference.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But it was the cubes tha created the dopple universe.
The Ig did no such thing on panel.

It's true, the 5 Cubes (harnessed with tech) created a duplicate 616 Universe.

The 5 Cubes were merging the 616 Universe with the duplicate 616 they creatred.

This merging would have taken Hours with the 5 CCUs,

but the INCOMPLETE IG merged Both UniverseS instantly.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
But Warlocks actions(jumping towards the IG again) suggest that HE'S the one who finished the job. If you don't want to accept that as fact because it wasn't actually shown that's fine, but you can't then claim that Eternity/Infinity finished it for the same reason. But seeing as how Warlock was moving to finish the fight that started with the two of them, it's pretty clear in my mind what happened.
And think about this, Eternity was beaten by the cosmic cubes which were shown to be less powerful than the incomplete IG, so it really doesn't make sense for Eternity to be able to take down Magus in the first place.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
thanos could have altered drax and the silver surfer, he let them plot against him and said he was so powerful he could afford to let his enemies live. warlocks plotting had what effect on thanos in ig?

Altering characters would be childsplay for either one.

Warlock knew all along that Thanos would lose due to his self doubt. Outside of that...he was able to hide from the gauntlet.

Originally posted by quanchi112
keep saying ion was able to ressurect. so could thanos he had completel mastery of all these while ion dabbled in them and was never described a having mastered time.

Thanos did not have complete mastery...otherwise Mephisto couldn't have tricked him, Warlock could not have plotted, Eternity could not have hidden..etc. It takes time to adjust to the gauntlet..whether it was Thanos, Nebula, or even Warlock.

Hell, he didn't even know that turning to Eternity would cost him the gauntlet..

Originally posted by quanchi112
of it this way thanos could have went back in time to defeat everyone but was powerful enough to face them all head on. ion never showed any feats like thanos. to say ion is more powerful than thanos is laughable. no feats to prove otherwise just ur opinion with no real weight to it. kyle could lose if he met a more powerful being with the same to thanos. imagine the heart vs either. curbstomp.

I said a long time ago that they were equal in power seeing as both are infinite beings. The difference being ION using his power a lot more wisely.

Kyle proved to be the better "Omnipotent" being over Thanos. It's good to be the "Right hand of God."

If you want canon, consider that the gauntlet was useless against DC characters while OAN power was on point...Ion would curbstomp Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
could not have defeated thanos by any means. any skill by ion would matched by thanos and then some. thanos was far more powerful. he could kill enemies by snapping his fingers.

You got half of this sentence right....they are matched. The rest is rubbish and not needed.