Why do some enjoy seeing others down/fall?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well sometimes Czarina_Czarina sees things from a larger unexplored point of view, not widely excepted. Just that, and then asks questions about it. Though sometimes they can be quite bizzare. Boards are supposed to be about debating/discussing them. It's called free speach.

I've always heard there is no such thing is a stupid question.

*Gets Popcorn now*

Well, well, well.

There's a viewpoint I expected.

You see something of yourself in her, don't you?

It's because you're both idiots who think you are misunderstood.

Actually though, you're just saying dumb stuff.

Free speech is the thing that allows us to laugh and point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6_hr1OIw3Q&mode=related&search=

Here's a great video that shows the duality of

upperclass vs (r&b hip hop)

(another thread talked about this special relationship b/t both groups who are more intimate with each other then one would imagine, thus the exchanging of ideas and words and "knowing ones place"😉.

It's funny b/c they use Ayn Rand as a title, and the video is an amiplified causality of objectivism (someone critical would say "selfishness"😉...the singer is awesome and whoever put together the video along with the song, they did a wonderful job, it's well done. the use of the Indian beats, along with the lyrics makes someone ask "what did Ayn Rand think of Hinduism or Karma?"

Either way, it's the rise of love/lust and the fall/karmic lesson...enjoy, you and i may or may not agree with it, but nonetheless...it's well put together, the phonetic/prosodic jumps in the video that matches the words/lyrics, really captivating...

and the song is a mixture of

classic music+r&b rythme+E.Indian music

all in one, so it's very interesting, not the first time i heard this combo...

(i ran out of time to add this comment about her life vs the video that is characterising her):

...this video is about Ayn Rand's affair with a younger man, apparently there was this gossip that she had an affair with a man but it was all an "open" arrangement with both couples, they seem to have taught her a lesson about "selfishness", b/c she was emotionally hurt, but guess what, all that talk about selfishness/objectivism (imo) derived from when she was upset about something that happened to her family's business, her dad lost his company from "looters" and that may have triggered a switch in her mind as a child, causing her to believe in objectivism in a very selfish way, but at the same time, it's ironic that the person who broke her heart was also a liberterian, people that she was critical of, so it makes me wonder if they didn't just set her up. sad. either way, i see her as the little girl, upset at what happened to her dad's company, even if she's old enough to be my grandmother, i still see and try to understand her pain. she was disliked among the upper class, so i could imagine them setting her up for an "example", esp. if she was vocal and influencial, mostly among regular Americans. it's suspicious when someone from an opposing party just happens along your path, you fall in love and that person pulls away; what was he there for in the first place? maybe to teach her something on purpose, maybe it was planned from the begining to do that to her b/c she had a "big mouth" and was well liked among the "other" classes, and she was pro-selfishness, which could cause a llot of people who believe in karmic lessons to volunteer a moment of their life to make her into an emotional wreck...i am not a follower of ayn rand, btw, this is just an example of the desire to see someone fall. watch the video, and the younger man is from a political party that she was publically critical of them, so, someone guy from that political party sweeps her off her feet (all while her husband had his very own on the side), AND she's the main star in the karmic lesson of "what goes around comes around". did they ever bother to understand her childhood, and the violation of her dad's business, and how that could have triggered her thinking about individualism rather then collectivism.....this video is great, but an example of watching someone go "down", why do we enjoy this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STnUlpHf720

this disco-tec video gives a good example of what Ayn Rand (she's the one with the dark hair/dutch hair cut on the train) was about, and again, from what i heard, she was critical of the liberterians only b/c she felt that they left out the metaphysical aspect that comes before politics/policies...which made a lot of upper class followers upset at her, and yeah, suddenly a young good looking guy comes into her life who just happens to be from that party and they "fall in love" while they are both married (even though her husband was cheating too with the wife of her lover, way before she had her affair with him)....either way, they destroyed her love life with this "lesson" on selfishness/objectivism, when in fact, could have been jealous of the fact that she captured the hearts/minds of millions of Americans/Westerns...as she gains support from an issue that effected her family in Russia...and remember, as a kid, she had to live with the fact that her dad lost his business to looters, maybe her dad put that stuff in her head after they lost their business, you never know...but i wouldn't doubt it, she was "new" to the cultural system of "lessons" that are played, she didn't know the game, but it was right there for her, waiting, and mocking her, as she talked of objectivism....

enjoy...in this video, it gives an understanding of objectivism or at least Atlas Shrugged...but again, selfishness has it's down side, we all know that, and so does altruism...

Did you read Atlas Shrugged?

sorry, i'm going to stop talking about ayn rand, but pls add on to the names of people who influenced our life, and their decent was enjoyed...(as that's the purpose of this thread)....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HASSYGWoylY&mode=related&search=

he's a libertarian, so that tells you right there how he would feel about her, not good, she was a strong critic of the liberterian movement, as she felt they were missing a philosphical concept b/4 involving themself in policy/politics...

pls do add on to anyone who was celebrated, but was thrown down before our eyes as entertainment...

oh, btw, i could be wrong about this, but rationality/irrationality is not related to logic (logic is related to the argument), rationality is just priori knowledge, irrationality is not (it's like the +i and -i in alegebra, it's not logic until you put it in an argument).

btw, descartes was into the senses moreso then rationalism, and that brought forth a need for rationalism. he was the one who brought us the cartesian plane (algebra), and he was inspired to create it from a dream, he was into imagination and the senses, instead of logic and rationality, but his work carved the way for rationalism. so, yeah, a lot of what we use that is based on algebraic principles use the (geometric) cartesian plane that stemmed from someone who praticed imagination and irrationality (anti priori knowledge) to come up with a concept or idea. if i am wrong, pls explain how and why, as this isn't an ego issue for me, descartes is one of my fav philosphers, and i could be slanted in view of him, and if info is missing or not as accurate, my apologies, as it's been awhile...

funny, how a board that deals with imagination such as comics, the idea of mystism + technology + genetics, all in animation, somehow, i'm surprised the readers are different from the core principle of what comic books are telling us about knowledge and power and morality and judgement...ironic...

Originally posted by Bardock42
Did you read Atlas Shrugged?

The wise-bet would be on a "no".

The joys of Wiki!

Originally posted by Bardock42
Did you read Atlas Shrugged?

I'm confused

were there two Ayn Rands now?

Originally posted by JLred
I think...that it has something to do with the unexplored part of the brain...

I mean, aren't all humans born female and then genes cover up certain parts to change gender and can thus constitute in homosexuality (if you believe that it's genetic) so maybe like we're all born slightly evil and good nature covers up most of it but a little part still remains and we get a pleasure from watching others fall...

i know i get a sick pleasure from watching my cousins fall down and start crying...i hate it that i do but i can't stop myself from smiling deep down inside..but then sooner or later i feel really bad...

like in one case i was with my younger cousin, she's about 8 but when she's mad she can be a real pain in the ass. but when she's not she's really cute and funny.....well one time I was in her parent's garage messing with a weight set and she came along and started talking about some board game or something and her older brother called me and i dropped the weight and an open end landed on her head and she started bleeding..i got so frightened i called her parents and told them what had happened..well she ended up getting stitches and i felt really bad afterwards but when it did happen I smiled and laughed inside...

i dunno if it's because the way i was raised, my idea, or something else, but it's weird...

don't worry though i'm not about to go around hurting people...

I post a comment and get no response...🙁

Originally posted by JLred
I post a comment and get no response...🙁

yes, but did u cause your cousin to rise, just to take pleasure in a hard fall?

i'll think about this idea of your cousin.

btw, just b/c i have science heros who are white, doesn't mean that i have some sort of fetish for all white men, or light skinned men, if that were the case, i would have never dated my ex 12 years ago. i feel i have to state this b/c some folks are only wired to think of sex and they may not understand the MIND, or appreciate anything about thought, so they only see "color" or "race" or "flesh" and draw all sorts of conclusions that are WRONG, as again, i was very crazy about that guy 12 years ago and dated so many men (not sex, just date, to any perverts), many black men, a few E. Indians, etc.

and i know i am speaking the obvious, but rationality (+i) and irrationality (-i), doesn't have to do with logic, it has to do with prior experience (rationality) and no proir experience (irrantionality), no prior experience makes one think of mystisism or immagination. the logic is added with constraints we call theorem, what i am saying is that you can take a irrational idea and apply it to a logical argument, and it can come out as truth.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
yes, but did u cause your cousin to rise, just to take pleasure in a hard fall?

i'll think about this idea of your cousin.

btw, just b/c i have science heros who are white, doesn't mean that i have some sort of fetish for all white men, or light skinned men, if that were the case, i would have never dated my ex 12 years ago. i feel i have to state this b/c some folks are only wired to think of sex and they may not understand the MIND, or appreciate anything about thought, so they only see "color" or "race" or "flesh" and draw all sorts of conclusions that are WRONG, as again, i was very crazy about that guy 12 years ago and dated so many men (not sex, just date, to any perverts), many black men, a few E. Indians, etc.

and i know i am speaking the obvious, but rationality (+i) and irrationality (-i), doesn't have to do with logic, it has to do with prior experience (rationality) and no proir experience (irrantionality), no prior experience makes one think of mystisism or immagination. the logic is added with constraints we call theorem, what i am saying is that you can take a irrational idea and apply it to a logical argument, and it can come out as truth.

no it was an accident, her older brother was there and i just let go cause he asked to play football so i just dropped it, i was careless....but i couldn't stop the smile when i heard her cry...🙁

Originally posted by JLred
no it was an accident, her older brother was there and i just let go cause he asked to play football so i just dropped it, i was careless....but i couldn't stop the smile when i heard her cry...🙁

you were jealous of her, something she has that you don't want for her (for your own reasons: ego, etc.), and b/c you may not want to take it away from her, you want her punished, you can at least watch her in misery, it's jealousy/envy, meaning, you may have that for yourself, but you don't want it for HER, so you laugh at seeing her reduced/embarrassed.

read the story about Jealousy and Envy, and how both were given a gift to bless each other, but instead, one is without one eye and the other is without both. it's smiting the face just to see someone else with twice as less, it's the core of oppression, and yes, it could only work if it was enjoyable.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
you were jealous of her, something she has that you don't want for her (for your own reasons: ego, etc.), and b/c you may not want to take it away from her, you want her punished, you can at least watch her in misery, it's jealousy/envy, meaning, you may have that for yourself, but you don't want it for HER, so you laugh at seeing her reduced/embarrassed.

read the story about Jealousy and Envy, and how both were given a gift to bless each other, but instead, one is without one eye and the other is without both. it's smiting the face just to see someone else with twice as less, it's the core of oppression, and yes, it could only work if it was enjoyable.

General rule of thumb: people want other people to feel the way they feel.

Originally posted by Mindship
General rule of thumb: people want other people to feel the way they feel.

sounds about right..

Originally posted by Mindship
General rule of thumb: people want other people to feel the way they feel.

so, what's wrong with me? not wanting to see others fall is kinda weird isn't it? i'm a little weirdo.

maybe since we've been in that position and people have laughed that we feel the need to laugh...or something of that sort....

Originally posted by JLred
maybe since we've been in that position and people have laughed that we feel the need to laugh...or something of that sort....

i haven't lived a spoiled existence, i had strict parents, i wasn't the prettiest of the three girls, i was overweight (still am), i was a nerd and it was required in the family, even though the school we went to required us to be "cool", we weren't "cool" at all, we were nerds, all of us. our parents raised us to never say the word "shut up", so if we couldn't be rude, we certainly wasn't allowed to curse at each other or anyone else, even if they were being nasty, we were taught to ignore them and if we have to fight, let it be in defense, don't pick on people, but defend yourself if necessary.

i haven't had any success with my love life (not allowed to be in love with the person in love with), no financial benefits (ruined career), nothing grand in skill or art or beauty.

i've seen people with greater "coolness", greater bodies, greater beauty, greater intellect, greater social position, better careers or greater success in it, etc. I see them all the time.

what's wrong with me? i'm suppose to want them to be less, i'm suppose to hate them or ruin their life, right? i'm suppose to be happy to see them fall?

i'm a weirdo. i'm strange. i'm different.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
what's wrong with me?

That's subject to immense study.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
i'm suppose to want them to be less, i'm suppose to hate them or ruin their life, right? i'm suppose to be happy to see them fall?

What? Of course you aren't. What are you? Crazy? You shouldn't take pleasure in other people's misfortune.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina

i'm a weirdo. i'm strange. i'm different.

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