Jena 6

I've never heard that.......

- writes it down-

Originally posted by Creshosk
And the beating continues after unconciousness sets in?

Then it GOES from fight (assault) to something more (attmepted murder).

In a mass of people like that with emotions and Adrenalin pumping,

they might not have realised that he was unconscious until the staff broke it up.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I live in Utah.

I live in Richmond, Va now.
But I went to High school in Deridder, La. 2 hours from Jena, 4 hours from Jasper. My parents are military so I've been a few other places too.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Now you're being racist again. I'm not sure if you're aware of it but you yourself are placing value on the person being black or white... If it makes a difference in your mind then you're being racist by placing different values on people. "He shouldn't be trusted cause he's white!"

That isn't me being racist (bigoted would fit better), This is value assigned by Jena officials (school board, Police dept.)

His whitness' statement was "out weighed" by a white classmate's statement.

We also saw this with the simple battery charge that was given to the 22 year old following bottle incident. Charges were filled on the students behalf, but he was not permitted to make a statement.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Your math is off... 1+4=5

Not yet,

Bell=1, Guy who said he wasn't involved=2, plus the 4 others =6

Yes, yes it does.

Originally posted by Creshosk
But if you think that children are not capable of great evil then I ask you to research Mary Bell.

Mendez bros. I feel you

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
😑 Fair.

That's all I would ask.

I think that maybee my message was lost in my respone to arms.

The fight was a crime (assault), and the boys (that were involved) should be punished.

But charging them as adults and hitting them with 22 years and attmpted murder was extreme (tantamount to taking their lives away).

The punishment should fit the crime and situation.

And it should be like that for everybody.

Multidimensional hypothetical: Retaining the knowledge you have of the events now, what would you say looking back if the kid had died? If the kid had died would you have felt bad about the whole "it's not attempted murder" thing you're talking about now?

Had he died the injuries they inflicted would have been evident that attempted murder was evident.. but by that point it would have been to late and a charge of murder either 2 or 3 would have been the best charge.

I don't care about the fact that they're young. Young people are capable of commiting crimes. It may seem harsh. but with the way the world is going this harshness might be whats missing.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
In a mass of people like that with emotions and adrinalin pumping,

they might not have realised that he was unconcious untill the staff broke it up.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
I live in Richmond, Va now.
But I went to Highschool in Deridder, La. 2 hours from Jena, 4 hours from Jasper. My parents are military so I've been a few other places too.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
That isn't me being racist (bigotted would fit better), This is value assigned by Jena officials (school board, Police dept.)

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
His whitness' statment was "out wieghed" by a white classmate's statement.

We also saw this with the simple battery charge that was given to the 22 year old following bottle incident. Charges were filled on the students behalf, but he was not permitted to make a statment.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Not yet,

Bell=1, Guy who said he wasn't envolved=2, plus the 4 others =6

Yes, yes it does.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Minendez bros. I feel you

Originally posted by Creshosk
Attempted murder seems to fit. they beat a kid until he was almost dead.

Multidimensional hypothetical: Retaining the knowledge you have of the events now, what would you say looking back if the kid had died? If the kid had died would you have felt bad about the whole "it's not attempted murder" thing you're talking about now?

Had he died the injuries they inflicted would have been evident that attempted murder was evident.. but by that point it would have been to late and a charge of murder either 2 or 3 would have been the best charge.

I don't care about the fact that they're young. Young people are capable of commiting crimes. It may seem harsh. but with the way the world is going this harshness might be whats missing.

When "If" becomes a "Spliff" we can all get High 💃

Outside of that, if they had KILLED him this would be totally different.

But,

Something about being treated for scrapes, cuts, and bruises and released hours latter and attending a social function.

Dosen't SCREAM attempted murder to me.

What was the motive?

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
When "If" becomes a "Spliff" we can all get High 💃

Outside of that, if they had KILLED him this would be totally different.

But,

Something about being treated for scrapes, cuts, and bruises and released hours latter and attending a social function.

Dosen't SCREAM attempted murder to me.

What was the motive?

If the kid they beat up wasn't as badly injured as I was lead to believe then proving the attempted murder charge would be insanly diffcult to prove. Outside of fear that the judge might be biased(racist) or influenced(bribed), or the representation they receive (probably be a state appointed given that familes couldn't afford better help) is... you'd really have nothing to worry about with that charge.

As how can it be attempted if they didn't almost die?

Originally posted by Evil Dead
Oh NOES!! You outed me!!!!!11! I do that shit all the time. I go around calling people n-ggers, jungle bunnies, spear chuckers and porch monkeys every day. Sometimes I like to go old school and throw in a few spades, spooks and jiggaboos. Now the world knows I'm a huge racist......

Doesn't it feel better to hate in the light 😉

Originally posted by Evil Dead
get out of here with your jr. high psychology shit. you're in a forum with adults son......

If your my dad, I guess I really am a Mother ****er 😛

Originally posted by Evil Dead
do you think we're going to stop posting our opinions of the topic at hand to go on defense retorting the idiotic perceptions of some kid on a computer hundreds if not thousands of miles away? grow up. "oh no....I can't post my opinion now.....I have to start directing my posts at convincing some random kid that I'm not a racist!!!!1111!!!11!".

Do I think you'll stop 😆 pure comedy.

Hell no. People marched in the thousands for equal rights and equal protection under the law. Look at us now.

People in hell want ice water.
But I guess you can't ALWAYS get what you want.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
Who cares what you think?

Nobody, that's why I go so hard 😄

Originally posted by Evil Dead
call everybody in the world a racist if you like....but facts don't lie. Six guys ganged up to beat one guy. It was not a fight, the one guy could not defend himself. They did not stop when he was down.......they did not even stop when he was unconcious. Kicking an unconcious person's head into a floor repeatedly shows only one motive, to cause severe and permanent injury.....injury that could result in death. The six guys did it, no matter what color they are. You saying they shouldn't be charged for their crimes simply because they are black is outright retarded. That's like saying KKK members who kill or attempt to kill a black man shouldn't be charged because they are white. F-cking retarded. Get your head out of your ass and grow up. You can't hide behind your race when you commit a crime. "they're picking on me because I'm black". no......they're picking on you because you tried to f-cking kill somebody or injur the person to such severity that death was a known possibility. Is the legal system tougher on black people? yes. no doubt.....racism is alive and well in 2007. Does that mean we should let give black murderers and black attempted murderers lighter sentences? no. it means we need to clean up our legal system to assure unilatteral fairness. we don't give reparations to murderers and attempted murderers to make up for other black individuals who have been given tougher sentences in the past for other crimes. it doesn't work like that, it never will. We're not going to let some white guy off a murder charge because another white guy was wrongly convicted and served 22 years in prison for murder.......it's not "the race has paid it's debt to society".....every individual is responsible for their own actions.

Do you know the facts old man, or are you "Learning" from the thread?

Since you obviously know how things are, and how they aren't "sir"
why don't you tell me how I'm supposed to feel?

Oh yeah. I remember now.

No JUSTICE

Don't SLEEP ❌

Originally posted by InnerRise
Not really, but if it makes you happy. Go for it. Irrelevancy for the win.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

When someone's opinion is supported by the facts, it tends to make them correct. Maybe that's just me though.

Thanks, but I already know I "win", see my above comment about facts.

BlueDMighty... rant all you like, it still doesn't change the fact that 6 people severely assaulted another without legal cause.

Before you go on and on about the nooses and the tree, though wrong, they are irrelevant to the assault on that kid.

Let me ask you a question, which punishments (if any) should the six face, and why, in your opinion?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Chargng someone of a crime is different from convicting someone of a crime. The charge is still fair, however it is then up to the prosecution to prove that they had the intent. If they cannot then they cannot be convicted of attempted murder. At that time they might still be found guilty of assault. The sentencing of assault would be different from attmpted. However if intent can be proven, then they can be convicted.

Fair

Originally posted by Creshosk
I don't buy into that whole "minorities can't be racist" bunk. So beiong biggoted in regards to race is racism. Were they the ones who refered to them as "whitenesses"?

Racism and bigotry have been confused and synonymous in recent years.

However,
Racism is pride in ones own race. That pride founded a system in which people were classified. Racism needs a support system. It is backed by the law and government enforcement.

Bigotry happens on a personal level, and does not need the law and the government.

Originally posted by Creshosk
and you think that injusitce in other circumstances makes injustice in the given circumstance acceptable?

No.

But, it is what it is.

If it goes one way it should go the other, and vise vrese.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Highschoolers do not prove my point as well as a 10 yearold seriel killer. Not a serial killer who KILLS 10 year olds mind you, a serial killer who IS 10.

10!!!! WOW

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Fair

Racism and bigotry have been confused and synonymous in recent years.

However,
Racism is pride in ones own race.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
That pride founded a system in which people were classified. Racism needs a support system. It is backed by the law and government enforcement.

That racism is not a bad thing? Hate to tell ya this, but the English language is a living creature... in the sense its not a dead language. That being the case it adapts and changes to modern uses...

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Bigotry happens on a personal level, and does not need the law and the government.

[QUOTE=9564514]Originally posted by BlueDMighty
[B]No.

But, it is what it is.

If it goes one way it should go the other, and vise vrese.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
10!!!! WOW

Should she have been tried as a juvinile because she was 10?

Originally posted by Robtard
When someone's opinion is supported by the facts, it tends to make them correct. Maybe that's just me though.

Thanks, but I already know I "win", see my above comment about facts.

I posted facts as well.....you deemed them irrelevant......can't have it both ways.

But hey........for your benefit........you win..........on KMC........yeah......good job.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by InnerRise
Facts don't equal relevancy.

I posted facts as well.....you deemed them irrelevant......can't have it both ways.

But hey........for your benefit........you win..........on KMC........yeah......good job.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

What in the world are you talking about now... you bounce around from illogical point to rant and back to illogical point. Seriously, it's a strange thing to do and disruptive to the thread.

You already said that I "win", why did you feel necessary to repeat it. Just have to have the last (irrelevant & illogical) word, eh.

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Anyhow... BlueDMighty, I am curious to you answer?

'Let me ask you a question, which punishments (if any) should the six face, and why, in your opinion?'

It's okay Robtard.....I refuse to join in on what you hope to become another flame fest.

I posted my opinion in response to your post.....I have that right....and you deep real down to pull nothing but insults and other irrelevant matter out when you have nothing better else to say.

It's okay, it's you.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by InnerRise
It's okay Robtard.....I refuse to join in on what you hope to become another flame fest.

I posted my opinion in response to your post.....I have that right....and you deep real down to pull nothing but insults and other irrelevant matter out when you have nothing better else to say.

It's okay, it's you.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

You sir, are strange.... when did I "insult" you now? Please, do post with a quote where I insulted you, or apologize for the false accusation.

BTW, I was done with our conversation when I implied that you do not reply directly to my post with something completely irrelevant, remember, "like Czarina does". I was also civil about it; I did not insult.

Your ball though, please show my "insulting" you.

And you sir are egotistical and blind to what's in front of your eyes.

Just know what you deem irrelevant is your OPINION and I will continue to post as I deem fit. Don't you do the same?

The next time I post, please either ignore it if you are unable to acknowledge it respectfully or respond to it as it applies to said thread or said post that I happen to quote instead of deeming it irrelevant right off of the bat and throwing insults (No I will not go back and post what I deem as an insult. It's adding more fuel to the fire).

I will no long aid in the derailment of this thread.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by InnerRise
And you sir are egotistical and blind to what's in front of your eyes.

Just know what you deem irrelevant is your OPINION and I will continue to post as I deem fit. Don't you do the same?

The next time I post, please either ignore it if you are unable to acknowledge it respectfully or respond to it as it applies to said thread or said post that I happen to quote instead of deeming it irrelevant right off of the bat and throwing insults (No I will not go back and post what I deem as an insult. It's adding more fuel to the fire).

I will no long aid in the derailment of this thread.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

I see... you accuse me of "insulting" you, you factually do insult me (above), and you refuse to show where I insulted you. Nice... you are one angry and highly emotional man.

Like I said:

Originally posted by Robtard
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Anyhow... BlueDMighty, I am curious to you answer?

'Let me ask you a question, which punishments (if any) should the six face, and why, in your opinion?'

Originally posted by Alfheim
After doing some more background reading I think im even more clearer on what happened here. What ive noticed on this thread is that you have white people complaining about how if a 6 white people jumped a black guy and beat him there would be no end to it. Im starting to think that some of you people are racist because ive noticed there is trend on this forum that whenever something bad happens to black people they try and deny it and make it like its no big deal.

There are people on this forum saying that if black people did this to white people there would be no end of it I dunno man sounds like rubbish to me:

1. Do you realise that there was already racial tension before the incident and that most of the time blacks and white were seperated?

2. Dont you think its ****ed up that the black kid has to ASK permission to sit uunder the tree in the first place. So waitwaitwaitwait....he had to actually ****ing ask permission? I dunno man if you guys used your head alarm bells should have started going off at this point....oh well nevermind if black people were to beat up white you'd never hear the end of it.

3. You are aware that the kids didnt even get expelled? Hey nevermind though its only bits of string. Hey wait aminute where is Lousiana? Oh wait its in the deep south...wait werent lyncings going on there until the 1960s? I dunno man arent the 1960S quite recent? So basically what your ****ing tell me is that its just a bit of string? Get the **** out of here! Hell black people in that area might have relatives that might have been lynched.

4. Before the white kid got beaten up didnt black students get beaten up? Hey its a shame that people get hurt and all that but you know tempers fly.

But you know the best evidence to prove that if black kids beat up a white kid there would be no end to it is this:

5. Why were they put in front of an all white jury?

6. Why was the bail put so high?

Get the **** out of here.

how do u explain this:

I went to a club (with my brother), and there was suppose to be a raper there (he never showed up). Well, there was an issue with overcrowding and the lack of a clear exit, some reported that our exit was locked....something happened and everyone had to leave. But b/c it was so packed, we were like slow moving herds (made me feel uncomfortable to be in that situation, one panic attack and ppl could be killed).

All of the sudden, we were at a stand still, but, some of us could see what was going on outside, there was a black kid outside, and there were cops, the cops were sicking the dogs on the kid. Once my brother and I saw that, I whispered to him, asking to get the tag number of the cop car and start logging information. We were still in a stand still. I noticed others saw it too, and there was one white guy there, I remember thinking to him, trying to pychically tell him to RUN, and I kept repeating that in my head, and he heard me, and he sneered at me and I started to pray. A fist, I saw a fist in the air, and I reached out to stop it, but someone held back my hand, it was my brother (and he was a wrestler, 7% body fat, he's much more stronger then I), and he dragged me away, I don't even recall how we were able to push through the crowd, but I know that kid was getting beat up. When we walked passed the cops, they were so focused on controlling this kid with the dog, I couldn't tell them anything, I tried to let them know that something bad is happening inside. My brother kept me by the arms (strong hold) and moved me along. He said that I would have been beat up with that white kid if I would've caught the fist. I don't know. I do not enjoy t!t-for-tats or any kind of group fights, even as a kid, it's not a spector sport, it wasn't when i saw the black kid being bitten by the dogs, and it wasn't when i saw the white kid being beaten up inside that club. it's a t!t-for-tat game, but it costs lives. I don't like racial group thinking, I know ppl want others to be in that mentality, but it hurts our country.

I really believe that the reason why they hurt that white kid is b/c they felt that going thru the legal channels wouldn't work, or it would just be a way of tracking ppl down or harassing the witnesses, etc. I think they truly felt that there wouldn't be justice for that kid that was being hurt by those dogs biting him.

And my prayers have been for the white kid inside the club, AND for the black kid that was getting bit by the dogs. the kid inside the clud had no idea they were going to hurt him, and I felt it wasn't good, it was a bad vibe before the fight, it wasn't good. That was the last time I went out to that kind of environment.

All that did was remove one white kid from trusting minorities, mainly blacks. It really is a cause for segregation, even though the intent was t!t-for-tat, the result is that it reinforces segregation, and the troublesome issues with the legal system never gets addressed.

Originally posted by InnerRise
It's okay Robtard.....I refuse to join in on what you hope to become another flame fest.

I posted my opinion in response to your post.....I have that right....and you deep real down to pull nothing but insults and other irrelevant matter out when you have nothing better else to say.

It's okay, it's you.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Must be the extra contradiction nuggets...

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