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Started by Alfheim11 pages

Originally posted by The Grey Fox
😆

I don't get it 😐

Dont get what? No comment?

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
I'm curious.

Can you give an example?

Older FoTN's threads, he's calmed down this year. There were two other guys who would flock his thread (I forget their names) and ramble on, though to be fair I do think one of them was a sock-troll.

Originally posted by Robtard
Older FoTN's threads, he's calmed down this year. There were two other guys who would flock his thread (I forget their names) and ramble on, though to be fair I do think one of them was a sock-troll.

....thats not really a trend though is it?

Originally posted by Alfheim
....thats not really a trend though is it?

That's why I said "If there's any racist B.S. trend in KMC"... key word being "if".

Originally posted by Robtard
That's why I said "If there's a trend in KMC"... key word being "if".

......ok. 😐

As for the Nooses being a practical joke:

Nooses are/were precurssers to a lynching.

Lynching still happens in the states:

If you have the stomach and time please read

First Trial Opens in Dragging Death

By Paul Duggan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 16, 1999; Page A05

JASPER, Tex.—On a spectator's bench in the courtroom, the father tours his memories of better times, before his son became a white supremacist, and proud of it. He thinks of the boy before he turned wrong, before prison and the Nazi tattoos. He thinks of him years ago, when he was a child and they would hug, before the boy became the man he sees now: vilified, accused of one of the grisliest crimes of the post-civil rights era, the dragging death of a chained black man behind a pickup truck.

"That ain't the boy I knew," said the father, Ronald King.

John William King was the boy, now a man of 24. After three weeks of jury selection, testimony in King's trial begins today. It is the first of three death penalty trials arising from an incident last June 7 that repulsed the nation: the slaying of James Byrd Jr. in what appears to have been a backwoods lynching.

Byrd, 49, unemployed and living alone in a subsidized apartment, was walking home from a party at night when he allegedly was picked up and driven into the forest, beaten and, ultimately, dragged to his death. His slaying shamed this racially mixed city of 8,000 in the East Texas pine woods 120 miles north of Houston, and it shamed the father of the first man to go on trial charged with carrying it out.

"It hurts me deeply," the elder King wrote in an apology to the dead man's family, "that a boy I raised and considered to be the most loved boy I knew could find it in himself to take a life."

Journalists from all over have besieged Ronald King, 68, a widower retired from a plywood mill who comes to court in a wheelchair, carrying bottled oxygen to cope with his emphysema. He has turned nearly all the reporters away. But in November, he spoke with the Dallas Morning News about his son.

"The way he was raised, I don't see how he could have that kind of hate in him," the father said, according to the newspaper.

He said his son had grown up around black children, and that he, Ronald King, has good friends who are black. He said he has two black goddaughters. As for his son's elevated white consciousness, he said at first he found nothing disturbing about it. "He don't mind saying he's proud of his race," King said. "I never thought it was anything more than that."

Ronald King and his wife, who died eight years ago, were living in Mississippi when they adopted Bill King as an infant. They also had two daughters. They moved to Jasper before their son was old enough for school.

The city's police chief, among others, remembers him as "just a regular kid." But in May 1992, after his third and last year at Jasper High School, King was arrested for burglary and got probation. Then, a few months later, he was involved in a second burglary that set him on a path to prison.

The burglary, in the wee hours of Sept. 15, 1992, was at a Jasper vending machine company called Neal's. A kid who worked there hid inside until after closing, then unlocked the door for King and his pal Shawn Berry, also a 17-year-old Jasper High dropout. An owner of Neal's remembers that the three drank beer from a refrigerator and were about to walk out with a handful of pool cues when the police rolled up.

King and Berry did push-ups in a correctional boot camp for a few months before being released. But King kept running afoul of probation officials and was hauled back into court. A judge revoked the probation from his first burglary and gave him an eight-year prison term. On July 20, 1995, he landed in Texas's Beto I Unit, a 3,200-inmate penitentiary. He was 20 years old.

The prisoner he wound up sharing a cell with, Lawrence Brewer, was almost eight years older than King, and a harder case. His felony record, dating to 1987, included arrests for burglary, cocaine dealing and parole violations. By the time King got his first look at Beto I, Brewer was a penitentiary veteran.

Alliances founded on race are a fact of life in prison. And authorities said King and Brewer got involved with one such group at Beto I -- a small circle of inmates using the name of a North Carolina-based Ku Klux Klan faction, the Confederate Knights of America. By the time King was paroled on July 28, 1997, after two years in the tribal netherworld of a state penitentiary, there was no mistaking how he felt about the primacy of the white man.

Jasper, located near huge lakes, is not the sagebrush Texas of the West. It is the Texas of the South, part of the Big Pine Belt, stretching from here to Georgia. Timber and bass fishing fuel the economy. While visiting anglers fill rooms at the Ramada and the Best Western, 18-wheelers hauling just-cut loblolly pines from the uplands growl and belch along Highway 96, the city's commercial strip.

A few blocks west of the highway, the city square is a place out of time, from the slower America of soda fountains and five-and-dimes. Rows of storefronts line four quiet avenues, all facing the beige stucco courthouse, which has stood on a swath of green at the center of the square since 1889.

Bill King, who is being held at the county jail, is escorted into the courthouse by deputies each morning, past a news photographer posted inside the entrance. He seems used to having his picture taken. Lately he has even smiled, once hiding his boyish face behind a folder of legal papers, then peeking out in jest.

"Actually, there is a great deal I'd like to say to the vast majority of hypercritical residents that populate Jasper," he told the weekly Jasper NewsBoy in a recent letter. King said he is "a victim of a judicial conspiracy as well as the District Attorney's personal animosity for a non-Christian ex-convict . . . adorned with skin art mildly offensive to his and Jasperites' religious beliefs."

By "non-Christian," he was referring to his worship of Odin, a god of Norse mythology who presides in Valhalla, the great hall to which all brave warriors ascend after perishing in battle. Most white supremacists come across Odin. King learned all about him in Beto I and had his prison file amended, listing his church affiliation as "Odinism."

Before that he had been a Baptist.

As for the skin art, a prison official who has seen photos of the tattoos said they include a silhouette of a black man lynched from a cross, a menacing woodpecker in Klan garb, the lightning-bolt SS of the Nazi Schutzstaffel, and the words "Aryan Pride." There also is a crest with a Confederate flag and a burning cross.

At the courthouse, no one sees the tattoos on his arms. King wears long-sleeve shirts. His dark hair covers the satanic pentagram behind his left ear. He said too much has been made of the tattoos, that officials want to "ensure a credulous case against . . . me, therefore gaining recognition as contributors to the National Honor of a solution to America's racial problems," according to a seven-page statement he gave to the Morning News in November, titled "Logical Reasoning."

Those and other remarks were among the reasons his lead attorney, C. Haden "Sonny" Cribbs, tried to quit the case, complaining in a court motion that King "refuses to follow counsel's advice." King tried to fire the lawyer, telling the court that Cribbs "is in disagreement of my innocence" and "intends to do no more for my defense than try to ensure that I do not receive the death sentence." The two are still together, though. And as jury selection wrapped up last week, King sat patiently at the heavy oak defense table, listening to the judge and lawyers, all of them white, who will help determine his fate.

Sometimes Kylie Greeney, the mother of King's infant son, shows up in the spectator gallery. Last year, before the slaying, they were sharing a one-bedroom apartment at a low-rent complex opposite the Jasper Wal-Mart. King was not long out of prison and working odd jobs; Greeney was 18 and pregnant. The apartment manager remembers the couple fought often and loudly. Eventually, Greeney moved out.

It was around the time of her departure last spring, authorities said, that Lawrence Brewer, King's old cellmate, drifted into town. He had been paroled on Sept. 5, 1997, a little over a month after King. Brewer took up residence in the apartment. Authorities said King's pal Shawn Berry also moved in. Berry's record had been fairly clean since the Neal's burglary in 1992. He had a steady job at the Jasper Twin Cinema.

Soon, a rogues' gallery of friends started tramping in and out of the little apartment at all hours, the manager said. After a slew of complaints from tenants, she filed eviction papers against King. And that was where his life stood on June 7 last year. With no regular job, his girlfriend gone and his landlady kicking him out, about all he had left was his Aryan pride.

A motorist came upon James Byrd Jr.'s decapitated remains that Sunday morning, just before 9. The corpse was a heap by the side of Huff Creek Road, a ribbon of backwoods pavement east of the city. What few houses there are on Huff Creek belong mostly to black families. The body had been dumped at the gate of an old black cemetery, across from a clapboard chapel.

A blood trail led west on Huff Creek. After a mile, at a bend, Sheriff Billy Rowles's men saw the dead man's head and right arm in a roadside ditch, by the jagged edge of a concrete culvert. They walked a mile and a half more on Huff Creek until the blood trail turned into the woods. It led along a rutted, narrow logging path. They followed the path and found the dead man's sneakers, his torn shirt, his dentures. They found his wallet and photo ID. Then, about three miles from where they had begun, they came to a clearing.

The matted grass and upturned dirt suggested a struggle. Among other items on the ground, they found cigarette butts, a Zippo-style lighter, a can of black spray paint and a set of small wrenches in a case. On the case, in cursive, was the name "Berry." On the lighter were crude inscriptions: "PoSSum," with the SS like lightning bolts, and three K's formed into a triangle.

At 9 that night, after news of Byrd's death had spread, a local man, Steve Scott, showed up at the sheriff's office. Scott said he was driving home that morning and saw Byrd walking on Jasper's Martin Luther King Drive. Minutes later, he said, he saw Byrd again on Martin Luther King, this time riding in the bed of a pickup. He said it was between 2:30 a.m. and 2:45 a.m. He said the truck was gray or black. He said there were two or three white men in the cab.

The truck description and the name on the wrench case led deputies to Shawn Berry, owner of a primer-gray '82 Ford pickup. They pulled him over as he was leaving the Twin Cinema parking lot that night and brought him to the sheriff's office. And there, in a little room, he retched up the story that stunned America.

Berry said he, Bill King and Lawrence Brewer were cruising and drinking beer when they saw a black guy on foot near Martin Luther King and Highway 96. Berry did not know his name, but had seen him around. He said he slowed the truck and offered him a lift. The guy got in the back.

Berry said King, spewing racial slurs, lashed out at him for giving a ride to a black man. Berry said he drove for a while, winding up at a gas station-grocery on a rural two-lane highway east of Jasper. He said King took the wheel and they continued east. Where Byrd thought he was going is unclear. Berry said they got off the highway at a farm road and followed it to Huff Creek. He said King then turned left onto a logging road and maneuvered the truck to a clearing in the woods.

They all got out, Berry said. He said King and Brewer punched and stomped the black guy, and that Brewer sprayed black paint on the guy's face. Berry said he wanted no part of the attack and ran away, though only a short distance. He said King and Brewer came back along the path in the truck minutes later and told him to get in. He said King was driving. Berry said he thought the black guy was unconscious in the clearing. He said he asked King, "Are you going to leave him out there?"

He said King replied, "We're starting 'The Turner Diaries' early," referring to a doomsday race-war novel popular with white supremacists.

The truck turned onto Huff Creek and sped up. Berry said Brewer glanced out the back window and remarked, "That [expletive] is bouncing all over the place." Berry said only then did he realize his friends had bound the man's ankles with a tow chain and were dragging him. Berry said he asked King to stop the truck and let him out. He said King refused and told him, "You're just as guilty as we are. Besides, the same thing could happen to a [racial slur] lover."

At some point the man's head came off, Berry said. A mile after that, Berry said, King unchained the body.

Later, Berry said, they went back to the apartment and slept.

It figured that Berry, the least hardened of the three, would be the one to give up his friends. His statement, at once self-incriminating and self-serving, was typical for a homicide case. Although authorities contend King instigated the attack, they said a wealth of evidence gathered since June indicates the three men participated equally. No trial dates have been set for Brewer and Berry.

As for the cigarette lighter, investigators showed it to Kylie Greeney. She told them "Possum" had been King's nickname in prison.

King said he lost the lighter before the slaying. He said he must have dropped it in Berry's truck. He said it must have fallen out while Berry, by himself, was killing Byrd. He said the cigarette butts, allegedly linked to King and Brewer through saliva DNA, also must have fallen out of the pickup.

In his "Logical Reasoning" statement, King said Berry dropped him and Brewer at the apartment that night and went off with Byrd to do a drug deal involving steroids -- a claim scoffed at by investigators. King said it could not be more obvious: Given Berry's "irate temper" and history of "abusive behavior and steroid use," the drug deal must have gone sour, in a big way.

As King put it, Berry had "a conclusive verifiable motive for murder that could be substantiated in an objective way, thus alleviating an unsubstantiated subjective motive of racial hate and supremacy."

In conclusion: "I, John W. King, remain White and Proud."

No JUSTICE

Don't SLEEP ❌

Originally posted by Alfheim
......ok. 😐

Did you miss the point entirely?

Point: If someone were to take a leap and try to state that racism is a "trend" in KMC, then there is a lot more evidence of anti-White racism in here than anything else.

Though not "racism", anti-homosexuality would be a close second, if one were to imply bigotry and trends.

Originally posted by Robtard
Did you miss the point entirely?

Point: If someone were to take a leap and try to state that racism is a "trend" in KMC, then there is a lot more evidence of anti-White racism in here than anything else.

Though not "racism", anti-homosexuality would be a close second, if one were to imply bigotry and trends.

Yeah I know...its ok....I got it...geeezzz calm down. 😉 😂

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
As for the Nooses being a practical joke:

Nooses are/were precurssers to a lynching.

Lynching still happens in the states:

If you have the stomach and time please read

That's why I'd go for the "concpiracy to commit murder" charge against the "pranksters" if it were up to me.

I mean I'd love to go against them with something harsher but that's the worst one that I personally know of.

Wow that was actually quite a reasonable response so far......

Originally posted by Robtard
What in the world are you talking about...

Chill brought up 'the connotations of certain words'; that is what I was addressing and making a point about. If you were not referring to anything of that nature, why directly reply to my post with something irrelevant, Czarina has cornered that market; we don't need competition.

Maybe the problem was me responding to something irrelevant to this thread from the get go.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by InnerRise
Maybe the problem was me responding to something irrelevant to this thread from the get go.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

No, what I said.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
They were also charged with DWI, and possession of a fire arm (shotgun)
Well that's good that it wasn't just "insitgating a riot." still attmepted vehicular murder would have been nice.

Or if drunk at least attempted vehicular manslaughter.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Pictures of the three boys shown on CNN's "Judgement in Jena"
I don't like the way that was handled.. but it's not up to me.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
The expulsion was overturned because it was a "prank"
In school suspension was for THEIR protection.
In any case, simply kicking them out of school wouldn't have solved anything.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
The families of the accused had to mortgage their houses (nearly all 6 families)
Which is usually the case. The bail gets set high so that its harder for them to up and flee with or without family.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
If that is indeed true, and NO amount of public outrage could get the authorities to lock up the white kids and treat them just like the black kids ($90,000 bail, 8 moths to a year in jail awaiting sentencing)
You're not really familiar with the process are you?

As I said in another thread, I was arrested once, and I had a pretty high bail as well. and court cases take a long time. Mine took a year to complete as well... You're looking at this boys based on their skin color. I'm looking at these boys based on their actions. and the things you're pointing out in the legal system don't seem that different from my experiences.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Shouldn't the Black kids enjoy the SAME treatment under the law?
Of being let off with a slap on the wrist for nearly beating someone to death? NO! If they were white I'd feel the same way, or asian or hispanic... I don't bloody well care what their skin color is. They should not be able to use their race as a get out of jail free card. I dont' care what color they are. They can be blue or green skinned and it wouldn't matter to me. There is NO excuse for what they did.

"Oh they're black and were dealing with alot of racial tension!"
"Oh these white cases the offender was let off easy!"

I don't care. the least one I think the offenders should have been dealth with more harshly.. but hey that's just me I'll be hardnosed about this. "I don't care what your skin color is, your skin color does not define your actions, so should not define your consequenses."

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
I've seen a few fights, been in a few fights, and someone getting knocked out is always a possibility.
And the beating continues after unconciousness sets in?

Then it GOES from fight (assault) to something more (attmepted murder).

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
This may or may not happen where your from, but from what i've seen
I live in Utah.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
If your boys aren't there, and you go down,

Hit the fetal position, cuz yur gettin that ass stomped.

Color, set, school, country, don't matter.

Your not trying to kill the dude, people that happen by just want to get their lics in, they're not trying to kill the guy.

anybody that has either been jumped, been apart of the jump, or witnessed the jump knows what i mean.

Your arguments are negated when they are knocked out and the beating continues. "Not trying to kill the guy" my ass.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Slow down buddy. Not everybody NAMED in that charge kicked or hit that dude.
Then only those who can be proven to have taken apart in it should be charged... however if none of them can be proven then someone has to pay that was involved as another kid, even if a racist prick, nearly lost his life... so obviously something happened.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
In fact, one of the boys charged has a whiteness (black=don't count) and says he had to look over a rail to see the fight. He was named by a classmate (white=lock'em up) to have been involved.
Now you're being racist again. I'm not sure if you're aware of it but you yourself are placing value on the person being black or white... If it makes a difference in your mind then you're being racist by placing different values on people. "He shouldn't be trusted cause he's white!"

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Ironically enough, Bell, the young man who wasn't involved, and the remaining 4. Were the most vocal at the "sit under" according to classmates and witnesses.
Your math is off... 1+4=5

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
DA came to the school AFTER the "sit under".

One of the boys that was facing 22 years is so young that, legally, his face can't be shown.

This whole thing Stinks.

Yes, yes it does.

But if you think that children are not capable of great evil then I ask you to research Mary Bell.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, what I said.
Not really, but if it makes you happy. Go for it. Irrelevancy for the win.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's why I'd go for the "concpiracy to commit murder" charge against the "pranksters" if it were up to me.

I mean I'd love to go against them with something harsher but that's the worst one that I personally know of.

😑 Fair.

That's all I would ask.

I think that maybee my message was lost in my respone to arms.

The fight was a crime (assault), and the boys (that were involved) should be punished.

But charging them as adults and hitting them with 22 years and attmpted murder was extreme (tantamount to taking their lives away).

The punishment should fit the crime and situation.

And it should be like that for everybody.

ok....some white kids did some racist shit.....not funny in the least, but it did not endanger the life of anyone. This is America....you have the right to be ignorant if you so please, you have the right to be biggoted......and yes, you have the right to be outright racist. You have the right to go running down the street calling every black man you see a "n-gger"........they do not have the right to kill or attempt to kill you for it.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
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Calling me a "n-gger" (I can tell you say it) is alot like talkin about my Mom. It'll get your ass whipped, but not murdered.

However,

Showing me a "NOOSE" is like showing me your gun.
If I can, I'll kill you before you can round up the posse.

That's instinct.

Oh NOES!! You outed me!!!!!11! I do that shit all the time. I go around calling people n-ggers, jungle bunnies, spear chuckers and porch monkeys every day. Sometimes I like to go old school and throw in a few spades, spooks and jiggaboos. Now the world knows I'm a huge racist......

get out of here with your jr. high psychology shit. you're in a forum with adults son......do you think we're going to stop posting our opinions of the topic at hand to go on defense retorting the idiotic perceptions of some kid on a computer hundreds if not thousands of miles away? grow up. "oh no....I can't post my opinion now.....I have to start directing my posts at convincing some random kid that I'm not a racist!!!!1111!!!11!". Who cares what you think?

call everybody in the world a racist if you like....but facts don't lie. Six guys ganged up to beat one guy. It was not a fight, the one guy could not defend himself. They did not stop when he was down.......they did not even stop when he was unconcious. Kicking an unconcious person's head into a floor repeatedly shows only one motive, to cause severe and permanent injury.....injury that could result in death. The six guys did it, no matter what color they are. You saying they shouldn't be charged for their crimes simply because they are black is outright retarded. That's like saying KKK members who kill or attempt to kill a black man shouldn't be charged because they are white. F-cking retarded. Get your head out of your ass and grow up. You can't hide behind your race when you commit a crime. "they're picking on me because I'm black". no......they're picking on you because you tried to f-cking kill somebody or injur the person to such severity that death was a known possibility. Is the legal system tougher on black people? yes. no doubt.....racism is alive and well in 2007. Does that mean we should let give black murderers and black attempted murderers lighter sentences? no. it means we need to clean up our legal system to assure unilatteral fairness. we don't give reparations to murderers and attempted murderers to make up for other black individuals who have been given tougher sentences in the past for other crimes. it doesn't work like that, it never will. We're not going to let some white guy off a murder charge because another white guy was wrongly convicted and served 22 years in prison for murder.......it's not "the race has paid it's debt to society".....every individual is responsible for their own actions.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
Oh NOES!! You outed me!!!!!11! I do that shit all the time. I go around calling people n-ggers, jungle bunnies, spear chuckers and porch monkeys every day. Sometimes I like to go old school and throw in a few spades, spooks and jiggaboos. Now the world knows I'm a huge racist......

you forgot Ubangi Stumpjumper

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wow that was actually quite a reasonable response so far......
I come from Utah. I don't care about race. I've never had a bad interaction from anyone here except in regards to my eplilepsy. I've had friends of all colors.

Now I realize that racism still exists but demanding the same unjust treatment for people doesn't help matters. I'd push for harsher treatment of the white ffenders who are getting off easier than they should be.