Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlelaine loses right off the bat. she cant hang with either one. thanos answered to no one. he became god and was supreme on panel. thanos and mom stalemate.
MOM beats Elaine. Elaine Is a stalemate for Thanos with the Heart. MOM is above both she answers to no one. Elaine Answers to the Presence and Thanos answers to the one above all. MOM won this fight before it began.
wrong. this has been dealt with. thanos was not surpeme. just a singular multiversal threat. remembre the rule of copyright. plus parts of marvel were not affected. elaine would blink him out of existance.
as to elaine vs mom. i cant say. elaine doesnt really answer to the presence. and micheal only did because he willingly submitted. lucifer is trying to overthrow the presence and hes a threat even the presence considers fit to take its place.
mom is too abstract and undefined at the time to be explained.
although lucifer did talk once about the infinity heirarchy of gods above the presence that neither he nor the presence could comprehend.
read back to my previous rebuttals quanchi.
This shit again?
Please, explain how Warlock could have been "outside of time and space" when he had a body and could move around (space) and he could think and experience time passing (time).
Don't give me the old "the comic said it so it's canon" excuse, that doesn't apply to things that are logically impossible. If a comic said that 2 + 2 = 5, would you believe it?
Originally posted by quanchi112
elaine loses right off the bat. she cant hang with either one. thanos answered to no one. he became god and was supreme on panel. thanos and mom stalemate.
No.
MoM beats Thanos with HOTI. Thanos was still under the manipulation of TOAA, and the HOTI was a piece/icon of TOAA's power.
While Thanos' power was temporary and he only possessed it for a limitted time, that already puts him below MoM, who always had her power, and always will have her power.
beyonder, ultimate nullifier, TOAA, roma, scarlett witch in house of m with chaos. not really peers but infact superior.
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltbn4.jpg
"The Living Tribunal's ONLY Superior ... is the One Above All"
According to your um...”logic” the Scarlet Witch, Ultimate Nullifier and etc.. are ALL above the LT.
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lt2cm.jpg
"The LT Exists in ALL MultiverseS simultaneously"
Only ONE multiverse?
Fail.
The dominion of the Living Tribunal is the 616 Universe and all alternate universe. But there are other “clusters” who have nothing in common with the known multiverse. LT rules and governs these as well. So...”exists in ALL multiverseS” works just fine.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
No.MoM beats Thanos with HOTI. Thanos was still under the manipulation of TOAA, and the HOTI was a piece/icon of TOAA's power.
While Thanos' power was temporary and he only possessed it for a limitted time, that already puts him below MoM, who always had her power, and always will have her power.
Nah dude Thanos and MoM stalemate. If we are going by Elaine just being the God of Vertigo instead of taking the Presence's place then she goes down. TOAA is a different concept and cannot be compared to any other comic character except the one's from Marvel since TOAA has writing authority over Marvel. Thanos became the supreme of Marvel within the comic book world and therefore can be compared to other comic book characters like MoM.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Nah dude Thanos and MoM stalemate. If we are going by Elaine just being the God of Vertigo instead of taking the Presence's place then she goes down. TOAA is a different concept and cannot be compared to any other comic character except the one's from Marvel since TOAA has writing authority over Marvel. Thanos became the supreme of Marvel within the comic book world and therefore can be compared to other comic book characters like MoM.
Youcan't compare the way comic companies run thier companies. ONly the equivs. In Marvel, the one above is all is the ONLY supreme being. In DC, The Presence is the ONLY supreme being. MOM is supreme in image. all others no matter how powerful aren't supreme.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
This shit again?
If I considered what's included/depicted in a comic book as shit,
I simply wouldn't indulge it. 🙂
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Please, explain how Warlock could have been "outside of time and space" when he had a body and could move around (space) and he could think and experience time passing (time).
Try explaining how people fly in comics?
How mountains are lifted?
How Planets or Galaxies are destroyed or created by humanoids?
And on, and on ...
Anyhow, it's a Marvel Fact for years,
that there are places BEYOND Space & Time in the Marvel Universe,
were several beings have been able to venture into to. (including Warlock)
"Beyond the Realms of Space & Time"
"I was Outside the influence of Eternity & Infinity"
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Don't give me the old "the comic said it so it's canon" excuse,
that doesn't apply to things that are logically impossible.
Again,
people flying, others picking up buildings, some moving objects with their minds, homegirl controlling the weather, or hey, mythical cats like Thor & Hercules running around.
This is all logically impossible, imo. But it's Comics so ... who
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If a comic said that 2 + 2 = 5, would you believe it?
No.
But erasing or creating Universes is believable?
No, but you accept that fantasy and dismiss another.
It's comics mike, you know that.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlthe presence isnt supreme. it tied the geb. thanos with the heart was supreme. u have seen the scans and cant argue with it.
Youcan't compare the way comic companies run thier companies. ONly the equivs. In Marvel, the one above is all is the ONLY supreme being. In DC, The Presence is the ONLY supreme being. MOM is supreme in image. all others no matter how powerful aren't supreme.
thanoswheart=mom>presence=geb.
this is correct.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
This shit again?Please, explain how Warlock could have been "outside of time and space" when he had a body and could move around (space) and he could think and experience time passing (time).
Don't give me the old "the comic said it so it's canon" excuse, that doesn't apply to things that are logically impossible. If a comic said that 2 + 2 = 5, would you believe it?
Logic(and physics for that matter) tell us that there's no way for someone to lift something like a building, airplane, or aircraft carrier because the object in question would collapse under it's own weight. Logic(and again physics) tells us that there's no way anything can exceed the speed of light.
But does that mean that we discount every strength or speed feat where just that kind of thing happens?
Originally posted by quanchi112
the presence isnt supreme. it tied the geb. thanos with the heart was supreme. u have seen the scans and cant argue with it.thanoswheart=mom>presence=geb.
this is correct.
Wrong 👇 . Elaine is now taking over for The Presence who is watching everything beyond creation, on panel. She could destroy all of creation by herself if she wanted (but of course won't cause thats not the plan). Thanos w/thotu = Elaine at the best. MoM is beyond both and equals DC's God. I bet you thought Krona would have gotten stomped by Galactus in the JLA/Avengers but it turned out the other way. I can see where you would think he would equal The Presence or tgeb, but that would mean TOAA gave him almost all his powers away and into a object, then let things take there course, it could have happened but I doubt it.
Then we have the major questions like, if LT or Eternity is so powerful like there written most of the time then why would they have sat back and watched Thanos all that time and done nothing?? Something to think about.
Originally posted by Mr Master
If I considered what's included/depicted in a comic book as shit,I simply wouldn't indulge it. 🙂
What was depicted contradicts what was stated.
Try explaining how people fly in comics?
How mountains are lifted?
How Planets or Galaxies are destroyed or created by humanoids?And on, and on ...
All of those things defy physics, but they don't defy logic. You don't seem to understand the difference.
Anyhow, it's a Marvel Fact for years,
that there are places BEYOND Space & Time in the Marvel Universe,
were several beings have been able to venture into to. (including Warlock)*snip
"Beyond the Realms of Space & Time"*snip
"I was Outside the influence of Eternity & Infinity"
Yet he is still able to move and think. Warlock was obviously just being an idiot and had no clue WTF he was talking about. Characters can be wrong about things, you know.
Again,people flying, others picking up buildings, some moving objects with their minds, homegirl controlling the weather, or hey, mythical cats like Thor & Hercules running around.
This is all logically impossible, imo. But it's Comics so ...
No, those things are [b]not logically impossible. They are physically impossible, but not logically impossible. You don't seem to understand the difference.
Something logically impossible is something that contradicts itself and cannot possibly be true. For example, 2 + 2 being 5, or a square circle, or being able to move and think outside of time and space. Anytime something appears in fiction which is logically impossible, either it's bad writing and should be ignored, or there's a much simpler expanation (i.e. Warlock was wrong).
No.But erasing or creating Universes is believable?
No, but you accept that fantasy and dismiss another.
It's comics mike, you know that. [/B]
Learn the difference between logical contradictions and physical contradictions before trying to debate me again.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Sorry Mike but I have to side with Mr. M on this one. When dealing with comics logic rarely ever actually factors into is. Think about it...Logic(and physics for that matter) tell us that there's no way for someone to lift something like a building, airplane, or aircraft carrier because the object in question would collapse under it's own weight. Logic(and again physics) tells us that there's no way anything can exceed the speed of light.
But does that mean that we discount every strength or speed feat where just that kind of thing happens?
No, only physics tells us that. Those things are completely possible within a self - consistent logical framework, even if they are physically impossible.
No one here understands the difference between a physical impossibility and a logical impossibility.
Let me give you an example:
Physical impossibility - Flying faster than the speed of light
Logical impossibility - Flying faster than the speed of light without moving
Do you see the difference?
Originally posted by kevdudeur wrong as the presence couldnt defeat the geb. show me elaine defeating all the uber beings at once like thanos did cuz until u do ur specuating. thats the difference she hasnt done it while thanos has.
Wrong 👇 . Elaine is now taking over for The Presence who is watching everything beyond creation, on panel. She could destroy all of creation by herself if she wanted (but of course won't cause thats not the plan). Thanos w/thotu = Elaine at the best. MoM is beyond both and equals DC's God. I bet you thought Krona would have gotten stomped by Galactus in the JLA/Avengers but it turned out the other way. I can see where you would think he would equal The Presence or tgeb, but that would mean TOAA gave him almost all his powers away and into a object, then let things take there course, it could have happened but I doubt it.Then we have the major questions like, if LT or Eternity is so powerful like there written most of the time then why would they have sat back and watched Thanos all that time and done nothing?? Something to think about.
thanos with heart=mom>presence=geb>elaine
Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, only physics tells us that. Those things are completely possible within a self - consistent logical framework, even if they are physically impossible.No one here understands the difference between a physical impossibility and a logical impossibility.
Let me give you an example:
Physical impossibility - Flying faster than the speed of light
Logical impossibility - Flying faster than the speed of light without moving
Do you see the difference?
How is it logically possible for someone to fly faster than light when it is physically impossible?
