Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Here's the Preview for X-Men Legacy 216http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0809/19/marvelfirsts.htm
BTW, have you people read X-Force #7?
Now it's revealed how Scott manages to hide its existence from Emma...supposingly. But he's also a big fan of using underages for death squad missons (X-23 and now Stepford Cuckoos, though the latter were under Scott's wing back in the institute (Corsairs squad)).
It also appears that the girls aren't afraid of their "mommy dearest" slapping them...since they think they can overpower and beat her easily.
Emma is the worst thing to happen to the xmen in all its history i.m.o, i dont believe her character, i dont buy the relationship with scott, i dont find her interesting, she might be the reason i stay away from the xmen these days.....well astonishing xmen is and was written so good...i do pick it up.....but i dont pay to read the other titles....i understand Cyclops and jeans seperation....i dont even want jean back....i would rather see Cyke alone and his own man......whats the point of him with another telepath...it just seems pointless to me
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
BTW, have you people read X-Force #7?
Now it's revealed how Scott manages to hide its existence from Emma...supposingly. But he's also a big fan of using underages for death squad missons (X-23 and now Stepford Cuckoos, though the latter were under Scott's wing back in the institute (Corsairs squad)).It also appears that the girls aren't afraid of their "mommy dearest" slapping them...since they think they can overpower and beat her easily.
Well they are her children and all 5 of them did pull a psychic whammy on herself, Professor Xavier and the Phoenix without them even realizing. 😛 He's only hiding it from Emma for her own protection. If one of the other X-Men discovered that Scott created a death squad the first person they'd blame is Emma Frost.
Originally posted by llagrok
Way to write Xavier out of the series.I've just about had it with Emma.
😖hifty:
Originally posted by starlock
Emma is the worst thing to happen to the xmen in all its history i.m.o, i dont believe her character, i dont buy the relationship with scott, i dont find her interesting, she might be the reason i stay away from the xmen these days.....well astonishing xmen is and was written so good...i do pick it up.....but i dont pay to read the other titles....i understand Cyclops and jeans seperation....i dont even want jean back....i would rather see Cyke alone and his own man......whats the point of him with another telepath...it just seems pointless to me
😖hifty:
But seriously pick up X-Force if you'd like to see Scott stand on his own too feet even though I think he's been doing that since Astonishing X-Men and the Messiah Complex.
The X-Men seems to be a bit of a mess just now, I mean why did Scott disband the X-Men teams (including the New X-Men when some of them had trouble adjusting with the world beyond Xavier's School) just to reform a team in a different state? This kinda led to the death of one of the students, Wolf Cub.
And can someone tell me what's going on with Charles? Is he leaving the X-Men series for an extended period? (I'm only buying Astonishing just now)
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well they are her children and all 5 of them did pull a psychic whammy on herself, Professor Xavier and the Phoenix without them even realizing. 😛 He's only hiding it from Emma for her own protection. If one of the other X-Men discovered that Scott created a death squad the first person they'd blame is Emma Frost.😖hifty:
😖hifty:
But seriously pick up X-Force if you'd like to see Scott stand on his own too feet even though I think he's been doing that since Astonishing X-Men and the Messiah Complex.
You were full of shit then.
And you still are 😎
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well they are her children and all 5 of them did pull a psychic whammy on herself, Professor Xavier and the Phoenix without them even realizing. 😛 He's only hiding it from Emma for her own protection. If one of the other X-Men discovered that Scott created a death squad the first person they'd blame is Emma Frost.😖hifty:
😖hifty:
But seriously pick up X-Force if you'd like to see Scott stand on his own too feet even though I think he's been doing that since Astonishing X-Men and the Messiah Complex.
X-force is one of my favorites right now.....right up there with the JSA ...way more violent and bloody, the art and dialog really get me going...great comic 😉
Originally posted by starlock
X-force is one of my favorites right now.....right up there with the JSA ...way more violent and bloody, the art and dialog really get me going...great comic 😉
It doesn't bother you that it took 7 issues for - you know - almost nothing to happen?
To me it seems like a run made with trade in mind (where I'm sure it will read well), but as someone who buys single issues every month, you don't feel ripped off?
Anyone find it weird that Wolverine had no problem with Cyclops bringing in the Cuckoos to mindwipe Elixer? Last I checked messing with someones mind REALLY pissed Wolverine off.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It doesn't bother you that it took 7 issues for - you know - almost nothing to happen?To me it seems like a run made with trade in mind (where I'm sure it will read well), but as someone who buys single issues every month, you don't feel ripped off?
Anyone find it weird that Wolverine had no problem with Cyclops bringing in the Cuckoos to mindwipe Elixer? Last I checked messing with someones mind REALLY pissed Wolverine off.
He raise his voice a little bit but come on, Wolverine almost killed Nick Fury for messing with his head (he would have killed him if it was the real Fury) and he considers Fury a friend. Wolverine's reaction should have been much angrier, he should have laid Cyclops out with undering a single word, especially considering he is, presumably, still mad about Cyclops drafting in Laura into X-Force with out consulting him.
And hey Battlehammer. 😄
i haven't read the latest x-force, but i don't rate their Scott at all, to be honest...
i read manifest destiny #2, and i had some thoughts...
now, by my own admission, before Scott and Emma hooked up, the lovely miss frost was a character I'd never really taken that much notice of... I'd seen here in her appearances as white queen, but her gen x stuff passed me by with ease... then Morrison came along and stuck them together, so i had to go back and read up on her to get a better handle on the character...
now, this is for the Emma fans...
was manifest destiny #2 just bad writing, or is the usually ever so sharp miss frost wide of the mark when it comes to Scott?
i have always believed (and i think the comics back me up), that Scott is infinitely more at ease with Emma than he ever was with jean. why do i think so? well...
imo, Scott, even as a grown man, always considered jean to be somewhat of a 'little miss perfect'. because of that, Scott felt he had to be the perfect boyfriend, the perfect man so that he might be worthy of her. to do this, he had to hold back aspects of himself that he felt flawed or selfish, things that would be easy for other men to show.
then apocalypse came along, and we all know what happened there...
so then, Scott starts to wonder if those things, those feelings and urges that he had restrained for so long, should be restrained any longer. he's a different man, but he still wants jean to think the best of him, so he pushes her away, and their marriage crumbles...
then, he and Emma become close. now, imo, Emma's past, being so bad in its own way, mean that she is as much damaged goods as he is, and can understand him better than jean ever did. Emma, in all her magnificence, is flawed in her own way, yet finds almost unconditional acceptance in Scott, and vice versa. they're both flawed, yet both are willing to be open with each other. Scott knows that he can feel what he feels without Emma's opinion of him changing, and as such, has grown into a more confident, more outspoken field leader (especially under whedon's pen/keyboard/typewriter).
as regards to him holding back, the guy has lived at least half his life around telepaths, and given his intent on training and so on, i'm, sure he's picked up some way to keep parts of himself blocked off...
and what man tells the woman he loves everything?
i sort of hinted at it in this post from WAYYYYY back:
Originally posted by pr1983
Ok, so i have this theory why scott and jean's marriage broke down (at least on his side), i'd like opinions please...Any mod who feels that i breach PG-13 guidelines is free to edit this post as they see fit...
Alright, Scott and Jean were what, 16 when they fell in love? And i think that, in his case at least, thats the way he loved her from then on. She was up on this pedestal, pure, virginal and all that, and when he was with her he saw her that way. To him she was more than just his wife, she was his heart and soul, so as far as their marriage is concerned (in the physical sense), there was a lot of love making but very little ******* (you know what the word is).
He didnt see her as a sexual object, even though he was attracted to her. Now logan, he saw her as a red blooded woman, devoid of pedestal, and she saw that in him, the willingness in him that scott didnt even know he was repressing.
So then Apoc comes along, and tears Scott's mind to pieces, taking away all these illusions of pedestals and purity (in a sense), leaving him looking at Jean the same way Logan did. But deep down he's telling himself "If i imagine her this way, maybe i don't love her as much as i used to." Which is wrong, he did love her, he just learned to see her as a sexual being.
His fear of rejection (even though its exactly what she wanted from him), caused him to shut down, to pull away, which caused their marriage to stagnate. Then Emma came along, and Scott saw in her the same thing he saw in Jean, a sexual being. So he was drawn to her, the chance of taking out all hsi frustrations becoming too tempting to resist.
Okay thats half of it, the net cafe is closing, i'll finish this asap.... 🙂
(anyone wondering where the finished part is, there's a debate that ranges over several pages)
basically, what i'm trying to say is that scott finds acceptance in emma like he never did with jean, and i do believe he genuinely loves her, as she is better for him than jean...
emma>jean from scott's pov, basically...
so anyways, emma fans...
shite writing, or was she just wide of the mark?
Originally posted by Raoul
i haven't read the latest x-force, but i don't rate their Scott at all, to be honest...i read manifest destiny #2, and i had some thoughts...
now, by my own admission, before Scott and Emma hooked up, the lovely miss frost was a character I'd never really taken that much notice of... I'd seen here in her appearances as white queen, but her gen x stuff passed me by with ease... then Morrison came along and stuck them together, so i had to go back and read up on her to get a better handle on the character...
now, this is for the Emma fans...
was manifest destiny #2 just bad writing, or is the usually ever so sharp miss frost wide of the mark when it comes to Scott?
i have always believed (and i think the comics back me up), that Scott is infinitely more at ease with Emma than he ever was with jean. why do i think so? well...
imo, Scott, even as a grown man, always considered jean to be somewhat of a 'little miss perfect'. because of that, Scott felt he had to be the perfect boyfriend, the perfect man so that he might be worthy of her. to do this, he had to hold back aspects of himself that he felt flawed or selfish, things that would be easy for other men to show.
then apocalypse came along, and we all know what happened there...
so then, Scott starts to wonder if those things, those feelings and urges that he had restrained for so long, should be restrained any longer. he's a different man, but he still wants jean to think the best of him, so he pushes her away, and their marriage crumbles...
then, he and Emma become close. now, imo, Emma's past, being so bad in its own way, mean that she is as much damaged goods as he is, and can understand him better than jean ever did. Emma, in all her magnificence, is flawed in her own way, yet finds almost unconditional acceptance in Scott, and vice versa. they're both flawed, yet both are willing to be open with each other. Scott knows that he can feel what he feels without Emma's opinion of him changing, and as such, has grown into a more confident, more outspoken field leader (especially under whedon's pen/keyboard/typewriter).
as regards to him holding back, the guy has lived at least half his life around telepaths, and given his intent on training and so on, i'm, sure he's picked up some way to keep parts of himself blocked off...
and what man tells the woman he loves everything?
i sort of hinted at it in this post from WAYYYYY back:
(anyone wondering where the finished part is, there's a debate that ranges over several pages)
basically, what i'm trying to say is that scott finds acceptance in emma like he never did with jean, and i do believe he genuinely loves her, as she is better for him than jean...
emma>jean from scott's pov, basically...
so anyways, emma fans...
shite writing, or was she just wide of the mark?
Being consoled by Wolverine and the outburst at dinner was ridiculous. I refuse to add that story to the Respect Thread. How's that for a response?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It doesn't bother you that it took 7 issues for - you know - almost nothing to happen?To me it seems like a run made with trade in mind (where I'm sure it will read well), but as someone who buys single issues every month, you don't feel ripped off?
Anyone find it weird that Wolverine had no problem with Cyclops bringing in the Cuckoos to mindwipe Elixer? Last I checked messing with someones mind REALLY pissed Wolverine off.
No i did not mind at all...... and allot happened...just maybe not to your liking....we had a mission to kill riskman...bastion is back.....Magus the father of Warlock the techno organic xman...was found and used to ressurect dead foes....six or more of the foes of the xmen who were dead..are back and in position to start up old plots......we had angels wings stolen by rahnes mind tampering and an army of techno winged warriors formed from them.angel can go from normal angel to archangel now.rahne had a final fatal meeting with her father.and lots of character development etc....in 7 issues
BTW i do feel this is the age of trades...almost every comic does it and at times it does bother me...but not in X-Force...its still gets me hooked every issue...and leaves me wanting more....and having Cyclops without Emma is a great thing... for me at least 🙂
