Juggernaut vs Odin

Started by Rage.Of.Olympus17 pages

Originally posted by h1a8
No one lied.

Superman was koed by a gas station and character's fight at their best ability. Get it?

ok let's assume Juggs forcefield exists. How is Odin going to bypass it when Thor couldn't even tickle Juggs with his mightiest slam?

You said Juggernaut was not hurt or whatever. He was one punch away from being knocked out.

What is Juggernaut's best durability feat? You have conclusively said more than once that nothing less than Universal level physical force can harm him, clearly you must have some idea.

I could debate the merits of the force field but I won't, this is purely a physical fight, Juggernaut doesn't get his force field and Odin doesn't get his energy projection.

In regards to the Eighth Day Thor tie-in, that showing was an extreme outlier. For some reason, Jurgens had Juggernaut as noticeably amped but every other writer kept him at his classic levels. In the main comic, the other Exemplars were damaging him. As a matter of fact, even in that battle, it looked like he felt Thor's hits. Besides, it doesn't apply here as this is classic Juggernaut.

Juggernaut's never been immune to physical damage as far as I've read. This Universal level nonsense h1 is spouting is just that.

All in all, that was actually a pretty great showing for Thor. He held his own temporarily despite Cain having a huge increase in power for some reason. There was also an expansion of Thor's first battle with Juggernaut, he stalemated him in combat; I'm assuming the seizure hadn't kicked in yet. Tbh, using Thor as a measuring stick, Odin should straight up wreck classic Cain in hand to hand if he doesn't have a force field. Basically Odin vs. Thor or Zeus vs. Hulk.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
He didn't even give a sound towards Thor's second to last strike. And on his last, all his said is, 'nuh'. in lower case.

what the hell does that even mean. sure doesn't sound like pain.

I was about to disagree but you're right. He did say "nuh" in lower case.

Here's the fight I was talking about:
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http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6771/ca36606a.jpg

I honestly remember it being longer. Maybe there was another tie-in, whatever, still way better than the ass whooping he got in his own comic.

No force field means one shot and Cain is down like Ulik.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You said Juggernaut was not hurt or whatever. He was one punch away from being knocked out.

What is Juggernaut's best durability feat? You have conclusively said more than once that nothing less than Universal level physical force can harm him, clearly you must have some idea.

I could debate the merits of the force field but I won't, this is purely a physical fight, Juggernaut doesn't get his force field and Odin doesn't get his energy projection.

If we are going with the theory that Juggs is indestructible to physical force only because of his forcefield then he must get his forcefield since it is part of him like the Odinforce is part of Odin.

But that is irrelevant since it is clear that the OP wants all of Juggs vs. Odin (only fist fight).

Originally posted by Stoic
No force field means one shot and Cain is down like Ulik.

Some writers don't have Juggs with a forcefield and some do. The point is that he is immune to physical force with which ever theory.

If we accept the theory that Juggs forcefield makes him completely invulnerable then he gets it in this fight. The OPs intention was 100% Juggs vs. Odin (reduced to just fist fighting).

Originally posted by h1a8
If we are going with the theory that Juggs is indestructible to physical force only because of his forcefield then he must get his forcefield since it is part of him like the Odinforce is part of Odin.

But that is irrelevant since it is clear that the OP wants all of Juggs vs. Odin (only fist fight).

😂

Wow, you have no f*cking idea what Juggernaut's best durability feat is do you? And yet you had the audacity to spout all that nonsense? We really should have a board rule about this type of stuff, these type of tactics legitimately drag the quality of the board down.

It's no theory, Juggernaut's mainly invulnerable with his force field and no, it's not a part of him like the Odin Force is part of Odin. That would be the energy of Cytorrak coursing through his veins. I'm not denying him his power source.

It's not clear at all or we wouldn't be having this discussion. The OP specifically described a purely physical contest, the force field is the exact opposite of that.

Now, tell me a Juggernaut feat that would support your stance.

Originally posted by h1a8
Some writers don't have Juggs with a forcefield and some do. The point is that he is immune to physical force with which ever theory.

If we accept the theory that Juggs forcefield makes him completely invulnerable then he gets it in this fight. The OPs intention was 100% Juggs vs. Odin (reduced to just fist fighting).

where do u get this stuff? Where does the op say Odin is handicapped but juggs is 100%? He just says purely physical combat. If Juggs forcefield falls under that why couldn't Odin manifest one? He even says he gets the full Odin power to manifest in any physical way he wants. This is a quote from the thread starter "purely physical means using physical attacks and defences. Odinforce is Odin's power, but he's free to manifest it however he likes."

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't say Odin was a 75tonner. That wasn't me.

I even entertained that Odin WAS stronger than Thor.

But I also explained where the number come from. I assumed it was possible for Juggs to be damaged by physical forces under universal level. I then tried to determine the minimum force needed to damage Juggs. If someone attacks you and no damaged registered whatsoever (didn't even tickle) then it is reasonable that they would need to hit 10x harder just to get a little damage to you (possibly more than 10x though). But Juggs has a very fast HF. So doing a little damage here and there isn't going to cut it since he would just heal immediately from it. So with 20x more then you have a chance of hurting Juggs significantly where he doesn't just heal right up from it.

my bad. I thought u said or agreed with the 75 ton thing. So basicaly the universal damage and 20x thing are just ur opinion and things u made up. I could drop a feather on u and u would barely feel it, 20x that would yield basically the same resultbut. but I could poke u in the chest and do almost nothing but 20x that would go thru u. Which would Odin/Thors strikes fall under? Thors doing minimal and 20x that not doing much more or 20x tearing thru juggs?

Originally posted by h1a8
Some writers don't have Juggs with a forcefield and some do. The point is that he is immune to physical force with which ever theory.

If we accept the theory that Juggs forcefield makes him completely invulnerable then he gets it in this fight. The OPs intention was 100% Juggs vs. Odin (reduced to just fist fighting).

Give some examples which support your case because at this point I have no idea why you base anything off of anything. I have a feeling you just peer into respect threads and base it entirely off a few scans. That's the worst thing you can ever do.

Originally posted by h1a8
Some writers don't have Juggs with a forcefield and some do. The point is that he is immune to physical force with which ever theory.
u also said this. "I assumed it was possible for Juggs to be damaged by physical forces under universal level." he is either immune to physical damage or not. Which are u saying because it seems like both.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Give some examples which support your case because at this point I have no idea why you base anything off of anything. I have a feeling you just peer into respect threads and base it entirely off a few scans. That's the worst thing you can ever do.

In some comics, it explicit talks about his forcefield and have it extend from his body at least several inches. In other comics, it shows Juggs no selling attacks that land on his skin (no force field present) while no mention of a forcefield by the writer was ever brought up. Also we have PIS showing of Juggs being burnt by normal fire (he says ouch or something). Then we have people physically removing his helmet in battle (like beast) when he isn't suppose to be touch with a forcefield. This proves that some writer's view Juggs as not having a forcefield.

Originally posted by Raptor22
u also said this. "I assumed it was possible for Juggs to be damaged by physical forces under universal level." he is either immune to physical damage or not. Which are u saying because it seems like both.

No, I entertained the idea (I don't believe in it) since I saw it makes it irrelevant anyway (Odin would need to strike with more than 20x Thor's mightiest slam).

But I think I meant with the forcefield he is immune and without he is nigh (if you accept the forcefield theory) or he is immune if you don't accept the forcefield theory. But I shouldn't have said it since it was irrelevant anyway. My fault.

Originally posted by Raptor22
my bad. I thought u said or agreed with the 75 ton thing. So basicaly the universal damage and 20x thing are just ur opinion and things u made up. I could drop a feather on u and u would barely feel it, 20x that would yield basically the same resultbut. but I could poke u in the chest and do almost nothing but 20x that would go thru u. Which would Odin/Thors strikes fall under? Thors doing minimal and 20x that not doing much more or 20x tearing thru juggs?

If you poke me then that would tickle me. Juggs wasn't even tickled from the blow. Plus a poke has a smaller cross section area (Force=pressure/area) than a fist and thus it is easier to damage than a fist with same pressure. So the analogy doesn't work.

Imagine a weight the size of a fist laying on top of you (you are lying flat on the ground) where could barely feel this fist. This should be less than 5lb right? Now imagine a weight 20 times heavier or at most 100lb instead. This should put enough pressure on you to do some damage (maybe not). You see my 20x could be wrong in the sense it is too low but never was it wrong in the sense that it was too high.

Assuming Juggs (with forcefield, if we are going that route) can be damaged by physical forces. Then based off on panel evidence those forces have to be a minimum of 20x Thor's mightiest slams.

Odin will drop Juggernaut, period. Odin with Odinforce can amp his strength at will and increase his durability, Odin will cut juggernaut of from his force field and beat cain into a coma. Juggernaut will find out the hard way not too f**k with the All-Father!

Originally posted by h1a8
In some comics, it explicit talks about his forcefield and have it extend from his body at least several inches. In other comics, it shows Juggs no selling attacks that land on his skin (no force field present) while no mention of a forcefield by the writer was ever brought up. Also we have PIS showing of Juggs being burnt by normal fire (he says ouch or something). Then we have people physically removing his helmet in battle (like beast) when he isn't suppose to be touch with a forcefield. This proves that some writer's view Juggs as not having a forcefield.

No, I entertained the idea (I don't believe in it) since I saw it makes it irrelevant anyway (Odin would need to strike with more than 20x Thor's mightiest slam).

But I think I meant with the forcefield he is immune and without he is nigh (if you accept the forcefield theory) or he is immune if you don't accept the forcefield theory. But I shouldn't have said it since it was irrelevant anyway. My fault.

If you poke me then that would tickle me. Juggs wasn't even tickled from the blow. Plus a poke has a smaller cross section area (Force=pressure/area) than a fist and thus it is easier to damage than a fist with same pressure. So the analogy doesn't work.

Imagine a weight the size of a fist laying on top of you (you are lying flat on the ground) where could barely feel this fist. This should be less than 5lb right? Now imagine a weight 20 times heavier or at most 100lb instead. This should put enough pressure on you to do some damage (maybe not). You see my 20x could be wrong in the sense it is too low but never was it wrong in the sense that it was too high.

Assuming Juggs (with forcefield, if we are going that route) can be damaged by physical forces. Then based off on panel evidence those forces have to be a minimum of 20x Thor's mightiest slams.

No, it proves some use it some don't but I wanted to hear examples of someone along the lines of Odin level of power being unable to faze Juggs. Give me some examples. You also didn't cite any specific examples you just named random things out of your head like usual.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it proves some use it some don't but I wanted to hear examples of someone along the lines of Odin level of power being unable to faze Juggs. Give me some examples. You also didn't cite any specific examples you just named random things out of your head like usual.

Odin being stronger than Thor means that he can punch with his fists harder than Thor can with his fists. But it doesn't mean Odin can punch with his fists harder than Thor can strike with his mightiest Mjolnir slams.

Let's say that Odin can punch harder than Thor can slam strike with Mjolnir. Then how much harder? Because based off feats since Juggs barely felt Thor's mightiest slam I would say that Odin needs to strike with at least 20x more force than that. Not only is there no proof of Odin being able to match a Thor's mighty slam with his fists but there is certainly no proof he's capable of 20x it.

Still waiting on that high end durability feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
Because based off feats since Juggs barely felt Thor's mightiest slam.

And what exactly are you referring to with this comment?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Still waiting on that high end durability feat.

And what exactly are you referring to with this comment?

You'll never get it. Maybe someone who reads comics can help you out.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Still waiting on that high end durability feat.

And what exactly are you referring to with this comment?

When Thor fought Juggs (I think the first time) he slammed hard with Mjolnir on him. It didn't even tickle Juggs. That is one hell of a durability feat. So I'm referring to the fact that Odin needs at least 20x more force behind his punch to have a chance.

Originally posted by h1a8
Odin being stronger than Thor means that he can punch with his fists harder than Thor can with his fists. But it doesn't mean Odin can punch with his fists harder than Thor can strike with his mightiest Mjolnir slams.

Let's say that Odin can punch harder than Thor can slam strike with Mjolnir. Then how much harder? Because based off feats since Juggs barely felt Thor's mightiest slam I would say that Odin needs to strike with at least 20x more force than that. Not only is there no proof of Odin being able to match a Thor's mighty slam with his fists but there is certainly no proof he's capable of 20x it.

How doesn't it mean that ?

You just keep yammering on and I can't make sense of any of it. Odin is more powerful than Thor. Case closed.