Hi, me again, just another thread about WTC 7

Petrol fires cannot weaken a steel building in new york to the point of collapse. As for damage, the Deutsche Bank Building had a 22 ton piece of the outer wall thrown at it. And, did not fall, why did wtc 7 fall? Nevermind, the fact that debris was flying all over the place, something that a gravitational collapse cannot do. Furthermore, there is no clear picture of a 20 story hole on the south face like the NIST claimed. Just one claim from a firemen, a fake video showing a gaping hole, and pictures from an obscure angle.

...who cares?

At least grey fox is making a good debate with XYZ instead of making 2 sentences that take up the space of 3 paragraphs of a rant that goes around in circles not really proving anything to anyone ^_^

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

This website is about most of the WTC7 myths. It doesn't mention the petrol fires claim, but the fires there themselves is evidence it wasn't demolished.

However, you could argue the fire shouldn't have been that extreme. That's a different debate, but I always think of that possibilty.

Originally posted by lord xyz
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

This website is about most of the WTC7 myths.

Like I've said before, the site mostly debunks theories from scholars from 911 or 911 truth. Mainly theories from Prof. Steven Jones, which I know for a fact are stupid I.E.: Thermite, Magma, etc.

Originally posted by lord xyz

It doesn't mention the petrol fires claim, but the fires there themselves is evidence it wasn't demolished.

However, you could argue the fire shouldn't have been that extreme. That's a different debate, but I always think of that possibilty.

Well, of course it was a petro fire, since the fire was caused by detonation of fuel tanks. Also, the "Paint Deformation test" done by the NIST shows the fires to range around 200-300C,

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Like I've said before, the site mostly debunks theories from scholars from 911 or 911 truth. Mainly theories from Prof. Steven Jones, which I know for a fact are stupid I.E.: Thermite, Magma, etc.

Well, of course it was a petro fire, since the fire was caused by detonation of fuel tanks. Also, the "Paint Deformation test" done by the NIST shows the fires to range around 200-300C,

So, we're in agreement it wasn't a demolition?

Originally posted by lord xyz
1. People required? Time? It's not possible, where are they gonna get the people to do it? It's just too unrealistic.

2. Who said anything about the FBI? And your point is stupid. If someone is planting a bomb in my building, I wouldn't let him because he's someone I wouldn't suspect, he's planting a ****ing bomb in the building!

3. Brilliant conclusion. Makes so much more sense than it collapsing on it's own.

4. K.

5. So you are talking bullshit.

6. You're right, it wasn't.

Well, I don't know what you're trying to prove here, so not yet.

1. Well... obviously... it didn't happen. I'm just debating 'cause I'm bored, you know?

2. The people wouldn't know they were planting a bomb if it wasn't on a checked floor.

3. Too right.

4. KK.

5.Yup!

6. I know.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Uhh, no. That website debunks, well, all the WTC7 myths in this forum! Yeah, that one website.

No, it doesn't, I've been to that website several times. Read there articles, and brought up counter points. You can't just link a website, and act as if everything is refuted. Debate by bringing up points, like how does a gravitational collapse cause girders to fly hundreds of feet hitting wtc 7 and creates a fire?

Originally posted by lord xyz

So, we're in agreement it wasn't a demolition?

If you can prove yor case, then why not.

Conspiracy theorists say World Trade Center 7 is the best proof for controlled demolition because it wasn't hit by airliners and only had a few fires. But this is deceptive because while building 7 wasn't hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7. Below is evidence showing that conspiracy theorists are wrong.

There are so many things wong with this argument. (Yes, I edited parts about pulls. I don't care about the pull claim)

First of all, how is it possible for debris hundreds of feet away to hit WTC 7 in the first place? Gravational collapses do not send debris flying wayward in every direction. The Height of the tower is irrelevant, because the distance between each tower is the same. Now unless steel girders can glide on the wind, I don't see how this is fire is even possible.

As you can see from the graphic below, all the buildings just as far away from both towers as WTC7 were hit. The others were either very short buildings which didn't have to support a massive load above or had no fire. Only Building 7 had unfought fires and the massive load of 40 stories above them.

This goes back to my earlier point about debris being sent flying in the first place. The Bankers Trust building was hit by a 22-ton piece of the outer wall and it was farther from the Twin Towers. Even if fire is the culprit behind that colapse, it does not explain all those wayward ejections of debris.

As you can see, the building never caught fire so it was never in any danger of collapse. It also was constructed differently, with a web column design. The interior columns were not pushed out to the perimeter.

I'm curious as to what refrence one would use for a fire based collapsed of a steel high rise. . .oops, none because fire has never brought a building down. So, how can one say a building is in danger of collapse due to fire alone?

Also, regardless of the design, fires have never compromised the buildings structural intergrity.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
There are so many things wong with this argument. (Yes, I edited parts about pulls. I don't care about the pull claim)

First of all, how is it possible for debris hundreds of feet away to hit WTC 7 in the first place? Gravational collapses do not send debris flying wayward in every direction. The Height of the tower is irrelevant, because the distance between each tower is the same. Now unless steel girders can glide on the wind, I don't see how this is fire is even possible.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
This goes back to my earlier point about debris being sent flying in the first place. The Bankers Trust building was hit by a [B]22-ton piece of the outer wall and it was farther from the Twin Towers. Even if fire is the culprit behind that colapse, it does not explain all those wayward ejections of debris.

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Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I'm curious as to what refrence one would use for a fire based collapsed of a steel high rise. . .oops, none because fire has never brought a building down. So, how can one say a building is in danger of collapse due to fire alone?

Also, regardless of the design, fires have never compromised the buildings structural intergrity.

Originally posted by lord xyz
All that shit's got to go somewhere.

Down, it goes down. It can't go up or across city, that defies the laws of physics.

Originally posted by lord xyz

Yeah, it didn't catch fire.

Fire brought WTC7 down. Did you see how intense and big it was? Enough fire can bring a building down easily. Especially since steel can't fight a fire well.

If steel can't fight fire well, why has no steel building fallen pre 911. And, the fire was nothing compared to the meridian plaza building which burnt for 19 hours straight and did not fall.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Down, it goes down. It can't go up or across city, that defies the laws of physics.

If steel can't fight fire well, why has no steel building fallen pre 911. And, the fire was nothing compared to the meridian plaza building which burnt for 19 hours straight and did not fall.

Different situations altogether.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Dude, when you push down on something, it goes out. Can't go down, the ground's in the way.

Different situations altogether.

Xyz, when you let go of an item, it gets pulled down by what is known as gravity. Gravity does not throw things all over the place. Where did the energy that tossed: steel Girders, a 22-ton piece of the outerwall, and 330 ton piece of the outer wall come from?

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Xyz, when you let go of an item, it gets pulled down by what is known as gravity. Gravity does not throw things all over the place. Where did the energy that tossed: steel Girders, a 22-ton piece of the outerwall, and 330 ton piece of the outer wall come from?

Take an orange from your ktichen. Press down on it, you should see it pushed out in all directions.

XYZ not wanting to start another thing going on here but there was no giant hand pushing down on WTC, however, on the inside of the towers, the floors fell on top of one another when the tower collapsed, anyone think its possible to compare all that weight to that of the "Giant hand on an orange" ?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Oh god.

Take an orange from your ktichen. Press down on it, you should see it pushed out in all directions.

That's because your putting your energy onto the orange. Where's the energy required to do that to the towers coming from, Allah?

Are you comparing the floors of the towers to a gaint hand? 😬
Why did the debris flow outward over the top sending pieces of the floors as well and why was the outer wall pulerised?

Wow, the energy is coming from the collapse of the towers, whats so hard to understand? The pressure would have been constantly building as each floor fell so I imagine there would be lots of pressure as it was reaching the ground, walls and metal are pushed apart and easily sent 100s of metres due to force + height. Its not hard to grasp when you let go of the bias. Of course you are probably trying to argue there wasnt enough force to send these things so far which im sorry but you just don't know that regardless of what you read on the internet.

Originally posted by Magee
Wow, the energy is coming from the collapse of the towers, whats so hard to understand? The pressure would have been constantly building as each floor fell so I imagine there would be lots of pressure as it was reaching the ground, walls and metal are pushed apart and easily sent 100s of metres due to force + height. Its not hard to grasp when you let go of the bias. Of course you are probably trying to argue there wasnt enough force to send these things so far which im sorry but you just don't know that regardless of what you read on the internet.

Exactly my point about the towers. Not going to comment about the part about bias and stuffs.

Originally posted by Korosan
XYZ not wanting to start another thing going on here but there was no giant hand pushing down on WTC, however, on the inside of the towers, the floors fell on top of one another when the tower collapsed, anyone think its possible to compare all that weight to that of the "Giant hand on an orange" ?

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
That's because your putting your energy onto the orange. Where's the energy required to do that to the towers coming from, Allah?

Are you comparing the floors of the towers to a gaint hand? 😬
Why did the debris flow outward over the top sending pieces of the floors as well and why was the outer wall pulerised?

You're arguing that there wasn't enough force for it to happen. You cannot know that. There are things to suggest there was though.

Originally posted by Magee
Wow, the energy is coming from the collapse of the towers, whats so hard to understand? The pressure would have been constantly building as each floor fell so I imagine there would be lots of pressure as it was reaching the ground, walls and metal are pushed apart and easily sent 100s of metres due to force + height. Its not hard to grasp when you let go of the bias. Of course you are probably trying to argue there wasnt enough force to send these things so far which im sorry but you just don't know that regardless of what you read on the internet.

Pressure, what pressure from floors can send steel girders flying 600 hundred feet into the air?! Can send a 22 ton piece of the outer wall across town to hit the Bankerstrust building?! The towers were not pressurized in the first place, so, where are you getting this magical pressure from?

And, walls are pushed apart eaasily, right. Because we all know air pressure can send pieces of the outer wall weighing tons across town.