Originally posted by Air Legend
Ah you're smarter than the people on the comic book forum. Ok lets just substitute God with omnipotent being 🙂
Given that there are a least 3 different ways to define omnipotence (one where the answer must be yes and two where it must be know) that doesn't really help.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Given that there are a least 3 different ways to define omnipotence (one where the answer must be yes and two where it must be know) that doesn't really help.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Well the most popular definitions are unlimited power or being able to do all things, so that's what we'll go by... but the question has already been answered correctly lol.
There's the ability to do anything and there's the ability to transcend logic. Not all definitions of omnipotence include the second 😬
Originally posted by Air LegendIf you're able to do all things, you'd lift the rock... so it wouldn't be omnipotence. 😬
Well the most popular definitions are unlimited power or being able to do all things, so that's what we'll go by... but the question has already been answered correctly lol.
That's the whole idea...
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
If you're able to do all things, you'd lift the rock... so it wouldn't be omnipotence. 😬That's the whole idea...
Originally posted by Air Legend
Yes there are many ways God can create this rock. One way is he can create a duplicate of himself, one of them not capable of lifting the rock, and therefore be able to satisfy both states simultaneously. The definition of omnipotence people are going by is being able to do anything right? So if God can do anything he can take away his omnipotence can he not? Therefore he can create that rock.
However this is all inconsequential because the word omnipotent is not found in the Bible. God has been reffered to as the Almighty but not as "omnipotent". God cannot do everything; for example he cannot sin or lie, it is against His nature.Also, nonsense is nonsense even when talking about God. Just because you put the word "God" in front of the question doesn't make it logical, it will still be nonsense. Can God exist and not exist at the same time? Stupid question huh, but it makes the point that nonsense is still nonsense even when talking about God.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
If you're able to do all things, you'd lift the rock... so it wouldn't be omnipotence. 😬That's the whole idea...
the thing is God's intent is to create something he can't lift...so as long as he has that intention, he won't lift it. It doesn't go against him being omnipotent because its actually his will that the rock not be liftable.
Originally posted by masterbruceBut if his intent was then to lift it? Then he can do so, and therefore fail at failure...
the thing is God's intent is to create something he can't lift...so as long as he has that intention, he won't lift it. It doesn't go against him being omnipotent because its actually his will that the rock not be liftable.
Anyways, you're all wrong.
Why? Because it's Ineffable, which is the only correct response here.
Originally posted by Air LegendI'd point out the contradictions and unlogical arguments (or those that become so when applied to this thread, anyhow), but I really don't care anymore.
You asked if God could create that rock. Here is what I said:God can create that rock.
God, omnipotence, etc?
It's ineffable.
I win.
Leaving now.