Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
I'd point out the contradictions and unlogical arguments (or those that become so when applied to this thread, anyhow), but I really don't care anymore.God, omnipotence, etc?
It's ineffable.
I win.
Leaving now.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
How can a being with no limits not be able to limit himself. 😬
EUREKA, I'VE GOT IT!
1. God is omnipotent.
2. By asking him to create a rock he can't lift, basically all he has to do is give up his omnipotence.
3. He creates a rock and then removes his omnipotence.
4. Now, he can no longer lift the rock and is no longer omnipotent.
5. He has become man.
Conclusion: God CAN create a rock he can't lift, at the cost of losing his godhood.
Originally posted by masterbruce
EUREKA, I'VE GOT IT!1. God is omnipotent.
2. By asking him to create a rock he can't lift, basically all he has to do is give up his omnipotence.
3. He creates a rock and then removes his omnipotence.
4. Now, he can no longer lift the rock and is no longer omnipotent.
5. He has become man.
Originally posted by Air Legend
I already made that point earlier in this thread.
My apologies for repeating you - I'm not about to read multiple pages of one of the oldest religious debates ever, however, as the thread has continued, you obviously didn't get your point across.
Not that I really expect people to get it at this point, either. 😬.
Originally posted by masterbruceNo. You haven't. People have proposed the very same thing before - and the problem is that it requires an exchange. Something a truly omnipotent being would not need to make.
Can anyone tell me what's wrong with my solution? I think I've just solved the age old enigma...I'm a genius.
The only actual 'answer' to this question is what I (and apparently, Soujaboy) posted earlier.
Fizzlebim fang pop.
Originally posted by masterbruce
no, that's a contradiction. he can't create something he can't lift if he can do anything.my solution is perfect, with no contradiction or illogicity.
Of course he can, he's omnipotent and can do anything. That includes defying logic, what's so hard about that to get.
Originally posted by Soljer
No. You haven't. People have proposed the very same thing before - and the problem is that it requires an exchange. Something a truly omnipotent being would not need to make.The only actual 'answer' to this question is what I (and apparently, Soujaboy) posted earlier.
Fizzlebim fang pop.
I disagree.
When you ask God to create something he can't lift, what you're really asking is for him to become NOT OMNIPOTENT.
Therefore, he has the power to remove his omnipotence, as he is God.
However, once he removes it, he no longer is omnipotent, and therefore can no longer lift the rock.
Originally posted by SoljerHypocriticaly returning to this thread... temporarily.
No. You haven't. People have proposed the very same thing before - and the problem is that it requires an exchange. Something a truly omnipotent being would not need to make.The only actual 'answer' to this question is what I (and apparently, Soujaboy) posted earlier.
Fizzlebim fang pop.
That's not Souja. Similar names, but that's Toaa/presence.
Anyways, you're all wrong... it's ineffable.