Originally posted by masterbruceAre you seriously making the implication that someone who can do anything would have to make a sacrifice to overcome a simple paradox?
omnipotent = can do anythingtherefore, an omnipotent being can become not omnipotent.
however, once you're not omnipotent, you can no longer become omnipotent.
Supra logical... it's ineffable.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Are you seriously making the implication that someone who can do anything would have to make a sacrifice to overcome a simple paradox?
so what if he has to make a sacrifice...he still succeeds at creating a rock that he can't lift right? that's all the question poses...never said anything about not making any sacrifices, which is the trick part because no one thinks that way.
Originally posted by masterbruceIf you can do ANYTHING, you don't have to make a sacrifice, or trade anything, in order to defeat a simple little paradox.
so what if he has to make a sacrifice...he still succeeds at creating a rock that he can't lift right? that's all the question poses...never said anything about not making any sacrifices, which is the trick part because no one thinks that way.
It's INEFFABLE.
Originally posted by masterbruce1. God is omnipotent.
2. By asking him to create a rock he can't lift, basically all he has to do is give up his omnipotence.
3. He creates a rock and then removes his omnipotence.
4. Now, he can no longer lift the rock and is no longer omnipotent.
Therefore, God, an omnipotent being, has succeeded at creating a rock he can't lift
this is called thinking outside the box for a solution
Originally posted by masterbruce
this is called thinking outside the box for a solution
No, it's called an invalid argument, and repetition of a falsehood does not change it's truth value.
You keep trying to pass it off as a 'solution' when it is not one.
You've solved nothing. You're incorrect. Try to wrap your head around it.
Originally posted by Soljer
No, it's called an invalid argument, and repetition of a falsehood does not change it's truth value.You keep trying to pass it off as a 'solution' when it is not one.
You've solved nothing. You're incorrect. Try to wrap your head around it.
you calling it incorrect doesn't make it incorrect. you have to say WHY it is incorrect.
as far as I know, my solution does not violate any conditions set by the paradoxical question
Originally posted by masterbruce
you calling it incorrect doesn't make it incorrect. you have to say WHY it is incorrect.as far as I know, my solution does not violate any conditions set by the paradoxical question
Sure it does.
You're implying that an omnipotent being could ONLY accomplish something by stripping away his omnipotence.
Hence, he wasn't an omnipotent being to begin with.
Originally posted by Soljer
Sure it does.You're implying that an omnipotent being could ONLY accomplish something by stripping away his omnipotence.
Hence, he wasn't an omnipotent being to begin with.
no, I never said it was the ONLY way to accomplish it.
is there another way to do it without defying logic, perhaps, but I don't know it.
or maybe as you and others have suggested, there is no other LOGICAL way, hence ineffable.
however, I am saying the solution I offered is ONE feasible solution within the bounds of logic for God to accomplish the task, at least that's my opinion.
Originally posted by masterbruce
basically, with this rock thingy, you're asking if a being with no limits can set a limit for himselfthen the answer would be no, so I change my original answer
Then the being wouldn't be unlimited. A being with no limits could limit themself. But an Omnicient being would do such a thing. this was why the beyonder was an idiot.
Argh..
These type of threads are ridiculous. 🙄
Am I the only one who realizes that an omnipotent being can do anything?
Such a being has the power to literally write/change ANY conceptual "laws" he wishes...
Such a being is beyond logic and explination.
Making a thread like this is to belittle said being's power down to "human standards", thus no longer making the being in question, omnipotent. 🙂