OK here is how i see it
God spawn > Lt in the flowing ways
Lt is supposed to be the hearld of the writers power in the comic world
But God spawn is more like a REAL pencil
No matter how much power you give the comic it is still a comic and as such cannot harm the pencil
But the pencil on the other hand........
Originally posted by Takion
Oh God, Spawn has references to other characters, like Savage Dragon.Oh and for your second point.
Image books frequently had references to other characters, but as time went on the events that occurred within the different studios (top cow, wildstorm, etc) became increasingly separate.
The world shaking events that took place in Stormwatch or the Authority for instance weren't noticed at all in Spawn's continuity. And again, you ignore that per Wildstorm Canon, Spartan became "god" and restarted creation. that CLEARLY conflicts with the events that happened within Spawn. The two are obviously separate and there's never been an established "god" of image.
The "God" of spawn has only ever been referenced or referred to within Spawn's own book, and flat out ignored by the rest of image.
As for the rest of your logic, it's flawed.
none of spawn's feats are anything that hasn't been done by Skyfathers, much less Galactus.
Assuming Spawn has "infinite power" because a war would go on forever is erroneous also. All that means is that the combatants are all equally matched and don't age. If Spawn fought Zeus the exact same thing would happen, as Zeus is truly immortal with "infinite" cosmic power.
Skyfathers also create their own universes all the time. Mephisto has one. Zeus created Olympus. Odin created Asgard. The Vishanti have three separate ones. FRANKLIN RICHARDS made his own pocket universe complete with living sentient beings, and he was just a kid.
Spawn is not that powerful.
Galactus' powers include the nullifier. His power has destroyed and recreated tens of thousands of universes simultaneously. He's been shown to be able to flat out absorb entire dimensions if he chooses to- He successfully used this thread to bend mephisto to his will. Mephisto, who is supposedly supreme and unkillable within his own hell/realm. Spawn is nowhere NEAR this level.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Image books frequently had references to other characters, but as time went on the events that occurred within the different studios (top cow, wildstorm, etc) became increasingly separate.The world shaking events that took place in Stormwatch or the Authority for instance weren't noticed at all in Spawn's continuity. And again, you ignore that per Wildstorm Canon, Spartan became "god" and restarted creation. that CLEARLY conflicts with the events that happened within Spawn. The two are obviously separate and there's never been an established "god" of image.
The "God" of spawn has only ever been referenced or referred to within Spawn's own book, and flat out ignored by the rest of image.
As for the rest of your logic, it's flawed.
none of spawn's feats are anything that hasn't been done by Skyfathers, much less Galactus.
Assuming Spawn has "infinite power" because a war would go on forever is erroneous also. All that means is that the combatants are all equally matched and don't age. If Spawn fought Zeus the exact same thing would happen, as Zeus is truly immortal with "infinite" cosmic power.
Skyfathers also create their own universes all the time. Mephisto has one. Zeus created Olympus. Odin created Asgard. The Vishanti have three separate ones. FRANKLIN RICHARDS made his own pocket universe complete with living sentient beings, and he was just a kid.
Spawn is not that powerful.Galactus' powers include the nullifier. His power has destroyed and recreated tens of thousands of universes simultaneously. He's been shown to be able to flat out absorb entire dimensions if he chooses to- He successfully used this thread to bend mephisto to his will. Mephisto, who is supposedly supreme and unkillable within his own hell/realm. Spawn is nowhere NEAR this level.
I said it before, God Spawn is Galactus level. Because Spawn is also set to end at 200, you will see him about 190-200 again. In that Wth would McFarlane make his most loved creation sky father level?
Originally posted by Takion
I ask you? Has God Spawn ever been over thrown. The guy defeated beings who were thought to be unkillable.I said it before, God Spawn is Galactus level. Because Spawn is also set to end at 200, you will see him about 190-200 again. In that Wth would McFarlane make his most loved creation sky father level?
God spawn was around for 2 issues. Superman Prime has never been beaten or overthrown either, but that doesn't mean he's on the level of Galactus.
God spawn has no feats that put him anywhere close to Galactus. Galactus has run roughshod over the marvel universe for millions of years in a ship the size of a solar system, devouring entire planets at will.
The combined forces of heaven and hell's army couldn't even SCRATCH Galactus 😆 😆
Again, Galactus has destroyed and recreated ten thousand universes at once. Show me ANY feat by ANY spawn that comes close to this.
At BEST his feats are on Odin or Zeus' levels. The feats of Abstracts, cube beings, and galactus are far, far beyond him. Keep in mind that celestials created Eternals, Inhumans, and Deviants of earth, and they aren't abstracts either.
all you have is baseless speculation, with no facts to back it up. If Galactus came to spawn's earth to devour it, what exactly would spawn do to stop him? Galactus reduced IMMORTAL hercules to protoplasm just by saying so. Olympians, in case you didn't know, are also "truly immortal."
Originally posted by Space M ummy
God spawn was around for 2 issues. Superman Prime has never been beaten or overthrown either, but that doesn't mean he's on the level of Galactus.God spawn has no feats that put him anywhere close to Galactus. Galactus has run roughshod over the marvel universe for millions of years in a ship the size of a solar system, devouring entire planets at will.
The combined forces of heaven and hell's army couldn't even SCRATCH Galactus 😆 😆
Again, Galactus has destroyed and recreated ten thousand universes at once. Show me ANY feat by ANY spawn that comes close to this.
At BEST his feats are on Odin or Zeus' levels. The feats of Abstracts, cube beings, and galactus are far, far beyond him.
all you have is baseless speculation, with no facts to back it up. If Galactus came to spawn's earth to devour it, what exactly would spawn do to stop him?
Originally posted by Takion
Have you read Spawn 162-164?
Can't say I have. I got bored with Spawn around #100. Have you read anything OTHER than spawn? it doesn't sound like you have. If you have any scans of Spawn pulling off galactus level feats like moving galaxies, turning mortals into superhumans, devouring entire dimensions, eliminating the concept of death entirely from the universe, or recreating ten thousand universes from scratch though, I'd love to see them and freely admit I was wrong.
edit: I just went and did some checking- the marvel universe apparently now includes worlds up to and including Earth #105,709 so you might as well make that "destroyed and recreated a hundred thousand universes from scratch." thanks. 🙂
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Can't say I have. I got bored with Spawn around #100. Have you read anything OTHER than spawn? it doesn't sound like you have. If you have any scans of Spawn pulling off galactus level feats like moving galaxies, turning mortals into superhumans, devouring entire dimensions, eliminating the concept of death entirely from the universe, or recreating ten thousand universes from scratch though, I'd love to see them and freely admit I was wrong.
Originally posted by Takion
It got really interesting after 150
I've seen the thread before. There's really nothing there that's on galactus or abstract level.
Skyfather? possibly. Abstract/Cube Being/Celestial/Galactus? Hell no.
Originally posted by Takion
So your debating despite the fact you haven't read them?
I wasn't aware that debating required having read every comic ever made. Have you read every galactus story ever printed? Somehow I doubt it.
yet you continue to debate. hmm.
Simply put, if there's a feat there that puts spawn on an abstract tier, feel free to post it and stop stalling. If not, concede the point.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
I wasn't aware that debating required having read every comic ever made. Have you read every galactus story ever printed? Somehow I doubt it.yet you continue to debate. hmm.
Simply put, if there's a feat there that puts spawn on an abstract tier, feel free to post it and stop stalling. If not, concede the point.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
I wasn't aware that debating required having read every comic ever made. Have you read every galactus story ever printed? Somehow I doubt it.yet you continue to debate. hmm.
Simply put, if there's a feat there that puts spawn on an abstract tier, feel free to post it and stop stalling. If not, concede the point.
Originally posted by Takion
I do read the respect threads. I never said you had to read all the comics. I only told you to read 162-164, and what you do. You said:ID369 provided a link in that thread to download those comics. I don't want to I have the comic books.
Hm. well unfortunately I'm not a fan of downloading comics either (I'm old school, what can I say. I also don't pirate CDs) so tell you what.
why don't you DESCRIBE the events that occur in 162-164, rather than have me running around looking for something that most likely does not exist.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Hm. well unfortunately I'm not a fan of downloading comics either (I'm old school, what can I say. I also don't pirate CDs) so tell you what.why don't you DESCRIBE the events that occur in 162-164, rather than have me running around looking for something that most likely does not exist.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
The range of [b]God Spawn's abilities are kind of ambigous. Remember his feats:-created a New Earth
-closed the portals of Heaven and Hell
-wrecked Zera of the Seraphim
-punched off Thamuz' face
-destroyed and resurrected the human race
-killed the armies of heaven and hell
-opened the earth to swallow all rebel hellspawnsNow, remember that he is also the EQUAL of GOD and SATAN- Therefore he can also:
-created life: people, animals, angels, demons, his own creatures
-give power to others the way God and Satan would
-grant one immortality the way God granted Zera (remember, she cannot die, she was still alive despite being decapitated)
-created worlds/dimensions (heaven and hell are "world-dimensions" created by God and Satan)Also remember that God Spawn is:
-invulnerable
-immortal
-has infinite energy, he even stated that a war between himself and God and Satan would be pointless because they would simply battle forever with no victory.So YES, God Spawn is way above Galactus. Galactus can die, he can be destroyed through various means. The only way God Spawn can die or be destroyed is is the Mother of Creation- M.O.M. takes away the power she granted him. [/B]
And more. ID369 described each happening.
Originally posted by Takion
And more. ID369 described each happening.
That's the thing: none of those feats are on galactus level. At best they're high end skyfather feats.
Odin/Zeus/Seth have done all of that and more.
Edit: ok, to put things in perspective- here are Odin's feats from the respect thread. Odin is <<<<<<<<< Galactus, by the way.
For the record, Odin has-
*Brought an entire race back to life (thor #157)
*Shattered galaxies during his fight with seth (journey into mystery #517)
*Defeated his "dark side", which was tapped into the power of Infinity (yes, the abstract infinity) at the time (Thor #185-188)
*Killed Hela (norse god of the dead) and then revived her
*Transported the entire population of earth into another dimension after loaning some of his power to loki (journey into mystery #104)
*Defeated and ABSORBED Surtur
*Engaged in a galaxy wide battle with Forsung the Enchanter that created new suns in the process (Thor 145-146)
*Owns a Loki Powered Destroyer effortlessly ( Thor annual #2)
*Moves the dimension of asgard from it's time and place in reality (Thor #196)
*Turns a mortal into a God at will (Thor #136)
*Creates Stars and Planets from nothing (scan in the respect thread, but not the issue)
There's no end to this kind of stuff. And that's just Odin. Odin's power is less than nothing to abstracts and celestials.
Again, Galactus can destroy and recreate EVERYTHING THAT IS in the blink of an eye. The nullifier has even eliminated death entirely as a concept in Earth X. Spawn is not on that level.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
DAMN for anyone who didn't get the new issue:1) Spawn slaughtered and beheaded Zera
2) Spawn punched Thamuz' face off
3) Spawn opened up Earth to swallow all other Hell Spawn
4) Spawn claimed the Earth for his own and banished the armies of Heaven and Hell5) Spawn destroyed armies of Heaven AND Hell, but also accidently destroyed the Human Race
6) Mammon was talking to a superior being, a demonic lookn fella who claimed he needed "to feed"
Originally posted by id369
Spawn #160
MoM allows Spawn to use his powers in the Dead Zone (which also happens to be the passage to Eden)http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54041
Spawn Engages disciple # 12 (or 1)
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54042
Spawn takes down one of Heavnes Greatest Worriers no problem
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54043
1 down 11 to go. You find out that Spawn took down the weakest Disciple, So he know summons 2 legions of his 6000 legions no problem.
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54044
But because Spawn is no longer the King Of Hell making his infinite power “Finite”. So Summoining Legions will only make his power drain quicker.
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54045
Spawn reabsorbs the legions back into himself, and decides to take on the rest (9) solo.
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54046
And so he begins
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54047http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54048
Spawn engages Judas the final Disciple.
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54049
Spawn is about to finish of Judas.
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54053
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54054Spawn lets Judas finish him off instead.
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54056
Originally posted by id369
Spawn #161Reciveing a major wound, and having no energy left…..It looks as if Spawn is about to die FOR GOOD.
But MoM deems Spawn worth of gaining powers from the Immortal Fruit. (Or Fruit of Immortality)
Spawn #161Reciveing a major wound, and having no energy left…..It looks as if Spawn is about to die FOR GOOD.
But MoM deems Spawn worth of gaining powers from the Immortal Fruit. (Or Fruit of Immortality)
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54957MoM also explains that with this power Spawn should be able to match Satan and God.
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54958http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54959
MoM explains the reasons the purpose of implanting 6,000 souls in him. MoM also reveals that all of the 6,000 souls are know one with him their for all their knowledge and experience is know Spawns!!!
If you think about it, this could match or Surpass Angels 100,000 years of experience.
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54960Spawn seeks out his opponent
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54969Its time to settle the score with Zera
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=54970
Originally posted by id369
Spawn #162
Time to fight Spawn vs. Zera
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55390http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55391
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55392
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55394
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55395
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55396
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55397
Here is the unknown character cloaked, I wonder who it is?
http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55398/\ Well I think its Urizen (I could be wrong). He is the only character I could think that could
A - Stand Up to Spawn (being indestructible and an Elder God)
B - He needs to feed.
Moving on.Thamuz vs. Granny (as one of the Raptures or some crap)
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55399Spawn is to late
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55400Thamuz mocks Spawn. Spawn reminds him why he was chosen to lead Hell into Heaven.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55401Granny Dies
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55402
Spawn gets really really pissed
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55403Claims ownership over earth. Spawn then proceeds to send back the Hell Spawn from ware they came from.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55404Spawn mocks God, with Zeras decapitated head (badass moment of the day)
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55407God and Satan does not like the idea of how strong Spawn has become, or how he is interring with their war. So they decided to unite their forces.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55408Spawn responds with unleashing all his powers, all at once.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55409As of #162, spawn has succeeded in wiping out all of Heaven and Hells forces along with God and Satan……………the left over humanity on earth as well.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/spawn1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=55410
Originally posted by id369
Just to summon it all up. This respect thread just covered all these abilities and featsSpawn has these powers. 1st - 3rd Age
[B]Abilities
*-Hell Blast. - Can melt the gates of heaven.
*-Super Strength - I cant calculate I think its around Coleuses level or more.
*-Super Speed - Has bien shown to Fly, React, and teleport at vary, extremely high speed.
*-Transmute- Like full metal Alchemist, he can transmute objects to his will - No seals!
*-Reality Warping- He altered his own reality (himself), As king of hell he can alter reality of hell itself!.
*-Super Healing, Has bien shown to heal at Deadpool, Hulk, Lobo rate. That’s not bad at all. He dosnt need to use his powers to heal. As long as there is a form of a living person or creature and has don a “Sin” he can use that as a secondary source of power to heal its self.
*-His suit- It acts like a symbiote like Venoms only stronger. No weakness so far, and has auto protecting features to aid the host.
*-Has Spiderman like senses or Precog thanx to the suit.
*-Can teleport, Himself or others to where ever he wants.
*-High resistance and damn near absolute Immunity to poisons and such.
*-Has to power to make potent poisons.
*-Has Psychic powers. So far he can read minds compared to God Like Cable. (Yup he two once linked his mind to all living things on earth to locate a certain someone more than once.)
*-Can tolerate high levels of mind ****ing.
*-Stop Time.
*-His Chains, are nearly indestructible, and acts at the will of his command (Kinda like Shuns from Saint Seiya, but with way more consistent feats.)
*- He can do some serious mind ****ing ala Ghost Riders Penace Stare.
*- Thanks to his ability to transmutation, hi can make potent poises on the tip of his finger nails.That’s all I can think of right know.
Weaknesses
- Decapitation - Supposed to be the only way to definitively kill some Hellspawn.
- Heavenly Forged Weapons, such as Angelic Lances, Whips, Daggers, etc.
- Celestial Fire - Such as that wielded by The Redeemers and The Disciple
- Wiccan Magic - Such as that used by Nyx but he has to be willing to submit to it.
- Heaven - His presence in Heaven, or in safe-zones of Heaven weaken him and his costume because of his nature as a hellborn warrior.
- Greenworld - He has no power in the ethereal realm of Greenworld4th Age Spawn
Divine PowersFollowing Issue #161, the Man of Miracles had given him fruit from the Tree of Life and propelled his power to nigh-omnipotent levels, enabling him to rival God and Satan. Now with the powers equal to both God and Satan, Spawn is the third power in the battle of Armageddon. Spawn has apparent control over the Earth itself, using it to his will when in battle against both armies. Spawn used the Earth to swallow all other Hell Spawn and imprison them back in Hell.
Many of these weaknesses appear to have been entirely removed, as shown by his conflict with Zera, who was the favorite warrior of God in the Armageddon story arc. Despite being armed with heavenly power and weaponry, and even after almost completely bisecting him, Zera was unable to kill Spawn. Since becoming nigh-omnipotent as of issue #161, Spawn no longer has weaknesses. [/B]