Silver Surfer/Beta Ray Bill/ Quasar vs. Hal Jordan/Lightray/Firestorm

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nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted
Originally posted by darthgoober
I've seen the thread, but there was nothing in there that puts him over guys like Surfer or Hal in my mind 😬 .

Neither Hal nor Surfer would do well against Takion. Takion Completely owned Kyle, Flash, and Captain atom without trying. Lightray did well. Silver surfer would get owned by those three. Takion >>>Hal,Captain atom,flash. And yet Light ray actually made Takion fight for it.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
yeah respect a thread of broken scans 😆 😆 😆 😆

did you read it? trickster fixed it for me. 😆 😆 😆

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You seem to always make these Marvel vs DC threads. HEh.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Neither Hal nor Surfer would do well against Takion. Takion Completely owned Kyle, Flash, and Captain atom without trying. Lightray did well. Silver surfer would get owned by those three. Takion >>>Hal,Captain atom,flash. And yet Light ray actually made Takion fight for it.

Then you're basing it solely off ABC logic then? Because Surfer did a lot better against Korvac than the Avengers and Guardian's of the Galaxy combined, and he's taken down a Watcher and the Unilord(twice)....

Needless to say, high end feats aren't the only that are taken into consideration. So what ELSE has he done to suggest that he's out of Surfer's or Hal's league?

rico777 Senior Member

Isn't Lightray much weaker than Hal and Firestorm? this means a 2v3 match... doesn't look so good for team 2

UniOmni Outrageously Dickish

Beta Ray Bill would maim Lightray, and rape Firestorm.

They wanna take the fight to the sun?

He sleeps in suns.

The enormous pressure/heat contained within don't phase him.

At all.

Lightray is the weakest link by far here, and is gonna get put down, hard.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then you're basing it solely off ABC logic then? Because Surfer did a lot better against Korvac than the Avengers and Guardian's of the Galaxy combined, and he's taken down a Watcher and the Unilord(twice)....

Needless to say, high end feats aren't the only that are taken into consideration. So what ELSE has he done to suggest that he's out of Surfer's or Hal's league?


Light ray isn't always a warrior. As such, he was always powerful but never really displayed it much becuz of his nature. His power was always vast. He can create heat multiple times the sun with ease. Create suns and such, move far faster than light, has molecular altering abilities, super strength, high invulnerability. This is why I said he was in his insane light ray mode. It was a way to show how powerful he truly is without damaging the goodness of the character.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by UniOmni
Beta Ray Bill would maim Lightray, and rape Firestorm.

They wanna take the fight to the sun?

He sleeps in suns.

The enormous pressure/heat contained within don't phase him.

At all.

Lightray is the weakest link by far here, and is gonna get put down, hard.


You obviously don't know light ray.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Light ray isn't always a warrior. As such, he was always powerful but never really displayed it much becuz of his nature. His power was always vast. He can create heat multiple times the sun with ease. Create suns and such, move far faster than light, has molecular altering abilities, super strength, high invulnerability. This is why I said he was in his insane light ray mode. It was a way to show how powerful he truly is without damaging the goodness of the character.

Again, NONE of the things you mentioned are beyond the abilities of guys like Surfer and Hal. Seriously...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Create suns and such

Surfer's created a black hole and Hal's...alright I'm not that big of a GL follower, but I'm pretty sure he has something along those lines.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
, move far faster than light,

Standard for heralds and GL's worth mentioning
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
has molecular altering abilities,

Again standard...
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
super strength,

Standard for Surfer(and can be increased through amping), and completely within Hal's power to simulate.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
high invulnerability.

Still standard...

See the things you listed MIGHT qualify him as a top tier herald level character depending on the circumstances and consistency of the feats, but they damn sure don't put him BEYOND high end herald level characters.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, NONE of the things you mentioned are beyond the abilities of guys like Surfer and Hal. Seriously...

Surfer's created a black hole and Hal's...alright I'm not that big of a GL follower, but I'm pretty sure he has something along those lines.

Standard for heralds and GL's worth mentioning

Again standard...

Standard for Surfer(and can be increased through amping), and completely within Hal's power to simulate.

Still standard...

See the things you listed MIGHT qualify him as a top tier herald level character depending on the circumstances and consistency of the feats, but they damn sure don't put him BEYOND high end herald level characters.


Him being Nearly as powerful as takion sure does. And it's on panel from takion's own mouth. That puts him on equal footing in my book with anyone here. He won't be the weak link. Also when he wasn't in his insane mode, he beat mongul with ease, created a sun after being exhausted trying to stop the death avatar br, and knocked highfather off of his feat. I'd say he is at least a match for anyone on the field. Which is why he's in the match in the first place.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Him being Nearly as powerful as takion sure does. And it's on panel from takion's own mouth. That puts him on equal footing in my book with anyone here. He won't be the weak link. Also when he wasn't in his insane mode, he beat mongul with ease, created a sun after being exhausted trying to stop the death avatar br, and knocked highfather off of his feat. I'd say he is at least a match for anyone on the field. Which is why he's in the match in the first place.

So now you're basing your assessment off a statement?

What about Supes statement that Thor was the toughest opponent he'd ever fought(and that was AFTER Supes fought DD and DS)? Or Genis's(the guy who recreated the universe) statement that Surfer was more powerful than he? Or all the people that run around comics saying that Juggs is "unstoppable", Hulk is "the strongest one there is", and that Ironman is "invincible"?

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
So now you're basing your assessment off a statement?

What about Supes statement that Thor was the toughest opponent he'd ever fought(and that was AFTER Supes fought DD and DS)? Or Genis's(the guy who recreated the universe) statement that Surfer was more powerful than he? Or all the people that run around comics saying that Juggs is "unstoppable", Hulk is "the strongest one there is", and that Ironman is "invincible"?

No. I'm basing it off of a statement while in the midst of a battle. Statement plus feats. It's not like you can look at light ray and go, hmm, most beings can do what he can do. Beating mongul EASILY is no small feat. Creating a sun after being nearly depowered and a giant one at that, is no small feat. easily heating up times a few suns isn't something a lot of beings do. And His strength and durability were shown when he fought takion. And yes, I agree with Superman, Thor should be the tuffest opponent he's ever beaten. the fight should have lasted an entire series if you ask me.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. I'm basing it off of a statement while in the midst of a battle. Statement plus feats. It's not like you can look at light ray and go, hmm, most beings can do what he can do. Beating mongul EASILY is no small feat. Creating a sun after being nearly depowered and a giant one at that, is no small feat. easily heating up times a few suns isn't something a lot of beings do. And His strength and durability were shown when he fought takion. And yes, I agree with Superman, Thor should be the tuffest opponent he's ever beaten. the fight should have lasted an entire series if you ask me.

So if you agree with Supes's statement, then you accept Thor being tougher than DS or HP DD?

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted
Originally posted by darthgoober
So if you agree with Supes's statement, then you accept Thor being tougher than DS or HP DD?

Superman didn't beat Doomsday. He died at his hands. And He didn't beat Bp DD either.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman didn't beat Doomsday. He died at his hands. And He didn't beat Bp DD either.

Yes Supes DID beat DD. The first fight Supes won due to his being alive/conscious while DD wasn't, and against Hunter/Prey he won via BFR. And you never answered for DS...

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes Supes DID beat DD. The first fight Supes won due to his being alive/conscious while DD wasn't, and against Hunter/Prey he won via BFR. And you never answered for DS...

I say he didn't beat DD becuz he died. I call that author's discretion becuz it was the death of superman. So of course he would die last. And he didn't BEAT DD/HP. He had help from Waverider. As for DS. Well those were avatars. As I'm sure will be explained in DS unleashed. a massive retcon is coming if you didn't know. 🙂

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, NONE of the things you mentioned are beyond the abilities of guys like Surfer and Hal. Seriously...

Surfer's created a black hole and Hal's...alright I'm not that big of a GL follower, but I'm pretty sure he has something along those lines.

Standard for heralds and GL's worth mentioning

Again standard...

Standard for Surfer(and can be increased through amping), and completely within Hal's power to simulate.

Still standard...

See the things you listed MIGHT qualify him as a top tier herald level character depending on the circumstances and consistency of the feats, but they damn sure don't put him BEYOND high end herald level characters.

If the things nvr listed are what it takes to be a high-end Herald, then why is Firestorm listed as low-Herald in that "ranking" thread?

He's done all that, and more. ermm

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I say he didn't beat DD becuz he died. I call that author's discretion becuz it was the death of superman. So of course he would die last. And he didn't BEAT DD/HP. He had help from Waverider. As for DS. Well those were avatars. As I'm sure will be explained in DS unleashed. a massive retcon is coming if you didn't know. 🙂

Waverider didn't beat DD Supes did. All Waverider contributed to DD's defeat was his timetravel device, which Supes reprogrammed(still a win for Supes). And however you want to try to justify it, Supes was the last one conscious in the DOS saga, which means that he won there also.

As for DS, while SOME of his losses were rectoned to be avatars there are still several which are unaccounted for which means that Supes still has wins over him as well.

So if the standard for Takion's statement being taken at face value holds true for other characters as well, then it must mean that Thor is tougher than ALL the versions of DD that Supes beat at the time of the Avengers/JLA crossover, and DS and his avatars as well.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Galan007
If that's what it takes to be a high-end Herald, then why is Firestorm listed as low-Herald in that "ranking" thread?

He's done all that, and more.

becuz that ranking thread is shit. that is why. it's about popularity. Firestorm beats most herald lvl beings classic or current FS at that.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
If the things nvr listed are what it takes to be a high-end Herald, then why is Firestorm listed as low-Herald in that "ranking" thread?

He's done all that, and more. ermm


Hey don't look at me, there are plenty of things that I see as being wrong with the tier list. But since the things nvr listed are still indications of BEING a high level herald character(rather than being far beyond it), nvr doesn't really have a case for his initial assessment of Lightray's power. And if those are his high end feats(rather than his typical displays of power), then there's not even much of a case for high tier herald either....