Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DC characters dont' go around destroying planets. For what? Not when they can just move them. As kilowog did. Anyway, Surfer doesn't destroy Insane light ray. unless you think Surfer is superior to takion. Who had a time of lightray himself.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Stop trying to base his power off of a single feat for crying out loud. Do you consider Lightray the equal of a Watcher or the Unilord? Because Surfer actually BEAT them...
Get the **** outta here. The runner didn't have many appearaces either and yet we base him off of his fight with the surfer. now what. As I thought. be quiet. this is INSANE lightray. and there is only that feat. But his other feats while sane do back up that he is insanely powerful and never bothers to fight. Do you not understand peace loving is his nature? i guess you don't. It's the same argument I use for surfer as to why He jobbers to thanos when he should put up a much better fight.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Get the **** outta here. The runner didn't have many appearaces either and yet we base him off of his fight with the surfer. now what. As I thought. be quiet. this is INSANE lightray. and there is only that feat. But his other feats while sane do back up that he is insanely powerful and never bothers to fight. Do you not understand peace loving is his nature? i guess you don't. It's the same argument I use for surfer as to why He jobbers to thanos when he should put up a much better fight.
And stop comparing Lightray to the Runner. Lightray has quite a few more appearances than the Runner does, so when has he EVER demonstrated power on par with Takion outside of that fight?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DC characters dont' go around destroying planets. For what? Not when they can just move them. As kilowog did. Anyway, Surfer doesn't destroy Insane light ray. unless you think Surfer is superior to takion. Who had a time of lightray himself.
ABC logic huh. Well since your doing that then i can say this then. Thor used the god blast on galactus and made him flee and scream in pain and then turned around and used it on juggernaut who didnt even feel it, didnt get a scratch and basically walked through it. So juggernaut>>>>galactus.
Just like I thought, dc characters dont have planet destroying strength. Dont have any on panel feats to prove other wise.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And Surfer's a pacifist, but the times he beat a Watcher or the Unilord he was pretty pissed so by your logic that must be how powerful a bloodlusted Surfer really is.And stop comparing Lightray to the Runner. Lightray has quite a few more appearances than the Runner does, so when has he EVER demonstrated power on par with Takion outside of that fight?
When he created a super sun after being exhausted fighting the death avatar the black racer. who is invincible. when there was a shield around new genenisis that no one could break, and yet he casually heated up to a few times a suns heat and pierced it like a bullet. when he beat mongel with ease. Something Superman hasn't ever done. And Takion said he was nearly as powerful. As i said, While sane, he has shown that he has the power. But his peaceful nature doesn't allow him many combat feats. at any rate, the new gods are all uber. A lowly NEw god threw the gravity of a couple thousand galaxies at superman. And he was beneath lightray. And yes surfer is uber powerful. He shouldn't be getting his ass waxed to thanos like he does. but, he's a pacifist. There is nothing in Lightray's power sets that suggest he is any lessor than anyone on the field. But Popularity seems to determine who people think is "herald" lvl and who isn't.
Originally posted by carver9
ABC logic huh. Well since your doing that then i can say this then. Thor used the god blast on galactus and made him flee and scream in pain and then turned around and used it on juggernaut who didnt even feel it, didnt get a scratch and basically walked through it. So juggernaut>>>>galactus.Just like I thought, dc characters dont have planet destroying strength. Dont have any on panel feats to prove other wise.
Superman and Wonder Woman held up the wieght of Eternity. 😉 P.S. I haven't seen many marvel guys destroy a planet with pure strength. It's almost always a hammer, or some cosmic energy around thier fist, or an ax.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When he created a super sun after being exhausted fighting the death avatar the black racer. who is invincible.
Blackhole>Sun
And if we're thinking of the same instance, Lightray didn't really fight BR so much as run from him until Metron saved him by teleporting BR away. And if Lightray was really on par with Takion, then why was he running from BR anyway?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
when there was a shield around new genenisis that no one could break, and yet he casually heated up to a few times a suns heat and pierced it like a bullet.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
when he beat mongel with ease. Something Superman hasn't ever done.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And Takion said he was nearly as powerful.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As i said, While sane, he has shown that he has the power. But his peaceful nature doesn't allow him many combat feats.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
at any rate, the new gods are all uber. A lowly NEw god threw the gravity of a couple thousand galaxies at superman. And he was beneath lightray.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yes surfer is uber powerful. He shouldn't be getting his ass waxed to thanos like he does. but, he's a pacifist.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
There is nothing in Lightray's power sets that suggest he is any lessor than anyone on the field.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But Popularity seems to determine who people think is "herald" lvl and who isn't.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer created a black hole and...Blackhole>Sun
And if we're thinking of the same instance, Lightray didn't really fight BR so much as run from him until Metron saved him by teleporting BR away. And if Lightray was really on par with Takion, then why was he running from BR anyway?
Surfer shattered a mystic forcefield that was keeping Dr. Strange and the rest of the Defenders captive.
Surfer defeated Durok with ease, which is something that Thor's never done.
Do you have any IDEA how many times Surfer's gotten praise from his opponents(including the Unilord, who's power Surfer matched)?
In that case, I guess we have to consider a bloodlusted Spiderman to be herald level since he can take down Firelord when he's REALLY pissed.
Proof?
But should he be considered on par with the Unilord or a Watcher?
There's nothing to suggest that the random people walking around Marvel aren't actually TOAA other than a lack of feats...
No, CONSISTENT feats determine who's herald level. EVERYONE has one or two high showings.
first of all. I forgot that you are a surfer fanboy. so now that I know where you are coming from i'll address you accordingly.
Super Sun AFTER being exausted. SUPER SUN. not a regular sun.
Also, BR is more powerful than ANy new gods. EvEN TAKION. so yeah. light ray had to run.
Spiderman Firelord is a dumb example of you to use. Becuz spiderman is not a god. he does not have 8 times light speed, hard light constructs, Herald lvl durability, matter manipulation, Multiple times the sun's destructive heat capacity, and godly origins to back him up as having anything to suggest that he was ever in firelord's ball park.
As I said, lightray has lack of feats only in battle. But the displays of power that he does have, show that he is totally with in reason when not holdign back to be as powerful as Takion suggested. Even Superman says that anything that can kill Lightray is a SERIOUS threat.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
first of all. I forgot that you are a surfer fanboy. so now that I know where you are coming from i'll address you accordingly.Super Sun AFTER being exausted. SUPER SUN. not a regular sun.
Also, BR is more powerful than ANy new gods. EvEN TAKION. so yeah. light ray had to run.
Spiderman Firelord is a dumb example of you to use. Becuz spiderman is not a god. he does not have 8 times light speed, hard light constructs, Herald lvl durability, matter manipulation, Multiple times the sun's destructive heat capacity, and godly origins to back him up as having anything to suggest that he was ever in firelord's ball park.
As I said, lightray has lack of feats only in battle. But the displays of power that he does have, show that he is totally with in reason when not holdign back to be as powerful as Takion suggested. Even Superman says that anything that can kill Lightray is a SERIOUS threat.
But back to the point(and ignoring your sidestepping), does Lightray have a SINGLE feat(other than the fight with Takion itself) to indicate he's beyond a top tier herald or GL(meaning a feat that they haven't matched or beaten)?
Oh yeah, and reported for bashing...
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm a fanboy 😂 ? I'm not the one that's trying to base a character off of a single high end feat.But back to the point, does Lightray have a SINGLE feat(other than the fight itself) to indicate he's beyond a top tier herald or GL(meaning a feat that they haven't matched or beaten)?
Oh yeah, and reported for bashing...
Please report. HAH. cuz i called you a fanboy. See how well that goes over. 😆 😆 😆 Fanboy is used all of the time and is not bashing.
It's a single high end feat in BATTLE. But it's not the only one. Remember him pwning Mongul with Ease. Superman is High end herald for sure. And has NEVER done that so easily. I dont' know too many herald lvl beigns who have created Super Suns. Surfer went mad just from the power of ONE sun. And it's not about a single feat anyone hasn't matched or beaten. It's about a collection of feats that put him on level with everyone here. And one high end showing while mad, against highfather, and one high end showing against Takion, that shows, he can be beyond the others when pushed. And I just waiting to see how you rebuff the fact that your Spiderman Firelord example was trashed by my reasoning.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Please report. HAH. cuz i called you a fanboy. See how well that goes over. 😆 😆 😆 Fanboy is used all of the time and is not bashing.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's a single high end feat in BATTLE.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But it's not the only one. Remember him pwning Mongul with Ease. Superman is High end herald for sure. And has NEVER done that so easily.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' know too many herald lvl beigns who have created Super Suns. Surfer went mad just from the power of ONE sun.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And it's not about a single feat anyone hasn't matched or beaten. It's about a collection of feats that put him on level with everyone here. And one high end showing while mad, against highfather, and one high end showing against Takion, that shows, he can be beyond the others when pushed.
Here I have an idea, you post a high end feat of Lightray's and I'll respond with a high end feat from Surfer that equals or exceeds it, and we'll see who's really better. You game?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman and Wonder Woman held up the wieght of Eternity. 😉 P.S. I haven't seen many marvel guys destroy a planet with pure strength. It's almost always a hammer, or some cosmic energy around thier fist, or an ax.
But again struggled to move a moon by himself.
I have seen plenty of marvel people destroy planets. So Im guessing that youre saying that if I had thor hammer I could destroy a planet. I dont agree, thor and beta ray bill strength alone destroyed the planet, the hammer was just there with them during this time.
So gladiator used cosmic energy to destroy a planet. I could have sworn it was his fist. Never, can you just show me a scan of a dc top tier destroying a planet.
I also disagree that superman is a top tier herald being. He is powerful but not even close to the power that any herald has. When he is able to bring back the dead, heal people, matter manipulate, go back in time, reverse time, fast foward time, give other beings powers, create suns, create star, create black holes, take your powers away from you, etc... then I would consider him a herald but he aint even close.
Originally posted by darthgoober
You obviously haven't read up on the new rules(you should probably get around to that). See, Rex DOES consider the word "fanboy" to be bashing 😉 .And guys like Surfer have SEVERAL high end feats "in BATTLE" which put him at skyfather or even abstract level.
And Surfer beat Durok with far greater ease than Thor(who's also high end herald). But just for clarification, are you talking about Pre Crisis or Post Crisis Mongul?
Yeah about 10 years ago Surfer couldn't handle the power of a Sun, big deal. Since then he's gone on to create a black hole, and I don't know of any New Gods that have done that...
Surfer has FAR more numerous high end feats than you just listed and Surfer's high end exceeds Lightray's by quite a bit, so I'm still not getting why you see Lightray as being superior.
Here I have an idea, you post a high end feat of Lightray's and I'll respond with a high end feat from Surfer, and we'll see who's really better. You game?
First of all, a black hole comes from a collapsed star. it takes more power to create one than to collapse one. The black hole itself is superior to light and stars. but not the creation of. Just thought you would like to know that.
As far as surfer having more feats, of course. he's had his own series and been in more books. So I won't play the game.Surfer jobbers to thanos but beats others more powerful. Surfer's consistand handling by thanos shows that his battle's with others is PIS. his battle feats are shit becuz he still can't beat thanos. now if you excuse me, I have more research to do on the new gods. 😄
Originally posted by carver9
But again struggled to move a moon by himself.I have seen plenty of marvel people destroy planets. So Im guessing that youre saying that if I had thor hammer I could destroy a planet. I dont agree, thor and beta ray bill strength alone destroyed the planet, the hammer was just there with them during this time.
So gladiator used cosmic energy to destroy a planet. I could have sworn it was his fist. Never, can you just show me a scan of a dc top tier destroying a planet.
I also disagree that superman is a top tier herald being. He is powerful but not even close to the power that any herald has. When he is able to bring back the dead, heal people, matter manipulate, go back in time, reverse time, fast foward time, give other beings powers, create suns, create star, create black holes, take your powers away from you, etc... then I would consider him a herald but he aint even close.
Not all heralds can do what you are saying. Top tier herald lvl in power output. As far as the hammers go, anyone knows that the hammers are enchanted and are indestructible. Any act permitted with them in hand is not a pure strength feat as the hammer itself contributes to the destruction of what ever they are hitting.
As for top tier herald lvl, There are GL"s who shit on heralds for feats. Should then GL's be skyfathers? 🙄
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First of all, a black hole comes from a collapsed star. it takes more power to create one than to collapse one. The black hole itself is superior to light and stars. but not the creation of. Just thought you would like to know that.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As far as surfer having more feats, of course. he's had his own series and been in more books. So I won't play the game.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Surfer jobbers to thanos but beats others more powerful. Surfer's consistand handling by thanos shows that his battle's with others is PIS. his battle feats are shit becuz he still can't beat thanos.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
now if you excuse me, I have more research to do on the new gods. 😄
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Not all heralds can do what you are saying. Top tier herald lvl in power output. As far as the hammers go, anyone knows that the hammers are enchanted and are indestructible. Any act permitted with them in hand is not a pure strength feat as the hammer itself contributes to the destruction of what ever they are hitting.As for top tier herald lvl, There are GL"s who shit on heralds for feats. Should then GL's be skyfathers? 🙄
Did i say anything about feats, nope, Im talking about power out put and also abilities. GL's, i consider them herald level beings because most of the things that i named, they can do. Do you consider mimic mid level herald since he can fly at enourmous speed, has super strength, near invulnerability, optic blast, healing factor, super hearing and seeing, etc... Do you think that he is mid level herald. I dont think so. High level heralds has all of superman powers plus interest, a lot of interest. Like I said superman is very powerful but no where close to the power that a herald has.
The hammer, yes that is a true statement if the user didnt have the strength backing up the power. Beta ray bill used nothing but pure raw strength. Gladiator used nothing but pure raw strength. No dc earth (i said earth, not cosmic) level being has destroyed a planet yet, I have yet to witness them destroy anything the size of a moutain yet, with there fist. Dc will be here forever so they have plenty of time to write a character doing that but until then they dont have planet busting strength, until proven other wise.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Tell you what, you ask any of the respected posters around here which is more impressive, the creation of a star or the creation of a black hole and see which they find more impressive.Cop out. Surfer not only has more feats, he also has BETTER feats than any I've heard for Lightray, which is why only the most biased individual can make the claim that Lightray's more powerful unless they know of a feat that hasn't been mentioned.
Tell you what, when Thanos showings start lacking consistency THEN Surfer losing might be considered PIS. But seeing as how he's dominated pretty much every fight he's been in involving herald level characters, you're probably SOL on that claim.
You should. And you should also devote some time to gathering actual evidence outside of ABC logic and speculation 😉 .
I don't have to ask any posters which is more impressive. I know scientifically it takes more energy to create a star. And he created a Super STAR after being exhausted. So creating a black hole is well with in his full powered status of abilities.
As for me being biased, not exactly, i'm just using logic. One doesn't fight Takion, and have him say out of his mouth that he is nearly as powerful as He, and then when looking at Lightray's powers, and his origin, and his other feats, and think, that that is a once only thing. It's pretty much saying this is his true power lvl when he's not such a lame.
Thanos beating herald lvl characters has nothing to do with the fact that thanos cannot beat a sky father. So Surfer beating skyfathers and abstracts goes out of the window becuz those are inconsistant showings while Thanos beating his ass is consistant.
You should devote some time to learning that I dont use abc logic. I use a combination of things. If I used abc logic, I would think Thanos beats galactus just becuz Surfer has beaten abstract lvl beings.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I don't have to ask any posters which is more impressive. I know scientifically it takes more energy to create a star. And he created a Super STAR after being exhausted. So creating a black hole is well with in his full powered status of abilities.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As for me being biased, exactly, i'm just using logic. One doesn't fight Takion, and have him say out of his mouth that he is nearly as powerful as He, and then when looking at Lightray's powers, and his origin, and his other feats, and think, that that is a once only thing. It's pretty much saying this is his true power lvl when he's not such a lame.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos beating herald lvl characters has nothing to do with the fact that thanos cannot beat a sky father. So Surfer beating skyfathers and abstracts goes out of the window becuz those are inconsistant showings while Thanos beating his ass is consistant.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You should devote some time to learning that I dont use abc logic. I use a combination of things. If I used abc logic, I would think Thanos beats galactus just becuz Surfer has beaten abstract lvl beings.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Except that if Lightray's star contained more energy than Surfer's black hole, it would have collapsed under the weight of its own gravity which ALSO would have created a black hole. That means there's no way his star was more impressive. What's more Surfer didn't just create a black hole, the black hole was actually a SIDE EFFECT of Surfer's energy output, which means that the initial blast was roughly equivalent to a Super Nova(and as we know Supernova's are backed by the entirety of the star's energy). The creation of the black hole also happened after a fight between Surfer and Annihilus's guys(so he wasn't in peak condition either) and he still had plenty of energy left over after the black hole was created.If it wasn't a one time demonstration of power, then you shouldn't have ANY trouble finding a feat that backs up Takion's statement.
Why can't Thanos beat a skyfather? After all, he stood up to the top skyfather in Marvel for a while, and he's been upgraded(and has far more impressive feats) since then.
Bullshit. You're basing your entire assessment of Lightray off of his battle with Takion(which as Uni pointed out, isn't the norm for Lightray). If you weren't, you'd have some feat in mind that hasn't been equaled or surpassed by the likes of Surfer or a GL.
Actually the feat is creating the star and maintaining it while DRAINED in order to stop the black racer. So um yeah, the star wouldn't collapse while LR was holding it together to stop BR.
As I said, Light ray beat Mongul with EASE. That is enough of a feat in itself to back up Takion's Claim. Also him knocking over highfather. haven't seen too many people do that.
And No, thanos cannot beat a skyfather. he's never beaten one.
Any idiot can see that Lightray fighting takion isn't the norm. he's a passifist. And he hasn't ever had his own series. Duh. The full extent of his abilities were fleshed out. and it's not like the fight with takion was the only thing he did when insane.