Silver Surfer/Beta Ray Bill/ Quasar vs. Hal Jordan/Lightray/Firestorm

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually the feat is creating the star and maintaining it while DRAINED in order to stop the black racer. So um yeah, the star wouldn't collapse while LR was holding it together to stop BR.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As I said, Light ray beat Mongul with EASE. That is enough of a feat in itself to back up Takion's Claim. Also him knocking over highfather. haven't seen too many people do that.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And No, thanos cannot beat a skyfather. he's never beaten one.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Any idiot can see that Lightray fighting takion isn't the norm. he's a passifist. And he hasn't ever had his own series. Duh. The full extent of his abilities were fleshed out. and it's not like the fight with takion was the only thing he did when insane.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Prove that the star would have collapsed and created a black hole if not for Lightray.

Then Surfer beating Durok with EASE must mean the same thing. And I haven't seen to many people beat on the Unilord either.

He's done better. He beat the Maker, who's an evolved cosmic cube 😉 .

Then name some other stuff he did to support it.

I have the unilord saga. And I have to read it again. Not sure it was just a str8 up fight. there was more to it.

Any way, The maker, was an evolved cosmic cube that did what? not all cube beings are created equal. hell it took the goddess with 30 cubes to try and ignite all the suns in the universe. And you surely aren't trying to use thanos beating the maker as some kind of example when you are so adamant about me not using lightray's fight with takion as example now are you? Thanos bowed before Galactus, never hurt odin, and didn't hurt tyrant. He consistantly shows he cannot beat skyfather lvl beings.

As for other stuff that support Takion's claim, i already stated them. Knocking over highfather with a casual blast, beating mongul with ease, creating a super star, and piercing a barrier that NO ONE could get thru. On a planet full of Gods. Since he has so few appearances, his feats are consistant enough that when not holding back, takion's statement hold's true. Unless you can show me lightray trying to light a candle and not being able to do it. Or trying to go faster than light and failing. He's shown on more than one occasion he can make solid light constructs, matter manipulate, generate multiple times the heat of stars without effort, and high lvl durability.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I don't have to prove anything. Everyone knows that when a star collapses, it makes a black hole. You prove that surfer can make a star. See how easy and silly that game is.

But in case you didn't notice, you said yourself that when a star collapses it makes a black hole, that means that Surfer's energy discharge was the equivalent of a star 😄 .

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I have the unilord saga. And I have to read it again. Not sure it was just a str8 up fight. there was more to it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Any way, The maker, was an evolved cosmic cube that did what? not all cube beings are created equal. hell it took the goddess with 30 cubes to try and ignite all the suns in the universe. And you surely aren't trying to use thanos beating the maker as some kind of example when you are so adamant about me not using lightray's fight with takion as example now are you? Thanos bowed before Galactus, never hurt odin, and didn't hurt tyrant. He consistantly shows he cannot beat skyfather lvl beings.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As for other stuff that support Takion's claim, i already stated them. Knocking over highfather with a casual blast, beating mongul with ease, creating a super star, and piercing a barrier that NO ONE could get thru. On a planet full of Gods. Since he has so few appearances, his feats are consistant enough that when not holding back, takion's statement hold's true. Unless you can show me lightray trying to light a candle and not being able to do it. Or trying to go faster than light and failing. He's shown on more than one occasion he can make solid light constructs, matter manipulate, generate multiple times the heat of stars without effort, and high lvl durability.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Sure you do because you're making the UNFOUNDED claim that the star didn't become a black hole because of Lightray. I personally saw no such thing suggested and for the claim to be valid there needs to be actual evidence.

But in case you didn't notice, you said yourself that when a star collapses it makes a black hole, that means that Surfer's energy discharge was the equivalent of a star 😄 .

It wasn't. Surfer got upgraded by a Blackbody which is what allowed him to absorb that much power, but since he never got rid of that upgrade...

The difference between the Thanos/Maker fight and the Takion/Lightray fight is simple...Thanos was upgraded. The upgrade was never fully explored, but there's NOTHING to indicate that the feat was bogus. Pretty much the only showings Thanos had between his upgrade and his death was his beating the Maker, his blasting Galactus, and his utter owning of the Fallen One. Lightray received no actual upgrade(and he's still alive and making appearances), and the battle is beyond what he normally demonstrates.

And everything you just listed has been topped by Surfer(with feats that I've already listed), so NONE of it is an indication of Lightray's being equal to Surfer(let alone his being superior to Surfer).

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I don't have to prove anything. Everyone knows that when a star collapses, it makes a black hole. You prove that surfer can make a star. See how easy and silly that game is.

I have the unilord saga. And I have to read it again. Not sure it was just a str8 up fight. there was more to it.

Any way, The maker, was an evolved cosmic cube that did what? not all cube beings are created equal. hell it took the goddess with 30 cubes to try and ignite all the suns in the universe. And you surely aren't trying to use thanos beating the maker as some kind of example when you are so adamant about me not using lightray's fight with takion as example now are you? Thanos bowed before Galactus, never hurt odin, and didn't hurt tyrant. He consistantly shows he cannot beat skyfather lvl beings.

As for other stuff that support Takion's claim, i already stated them. Knocking over highfather with a casual blast, beating mongul with ease, creating a super star, and piercing a barrier that NO ONE could get thru. On a planet full of Gods. Since he has so few appearances, his feats are consistant enough that when not holding back, takion's statement hold's true. Unless you can show me lightray trying to light a candle and not being able to do it. Or trying to go faster than light and failing. He's shown on more than one occasion he can make solid light constructs, matter manipulate, generate multiple times the heat of stars without effort, and high lvl durability.

nver says I DONT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING.

spoken like a true ignoramus.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Sure you do because you're making the UNFOUNDED claim that the star didn't become a black hole because of Lightray. I personally saw no such thing suggested and for the claim to be valid there needs to be actual evidence.

But in case you didn't notice, you said yourself that when a star collapses it makes a black hole, that means that Surfer's energy discharge was the equivalent of a star 😄 .

It wasn't. Surfer got upgraded by a Blackbody which is what allowed him to absorb that much power, but since he never got rid of that upgrade...

The difference between the Thanos/Maker fight and the Takion/Lightray fight is simple...Thanos was upgraded. The upgrade was never fully explored, but there's NOTHING to indicate that the feat was bogus. Pretty much the only showings Thanos had between his upgrade and his death was his beating the Maker, his blasting Galactus, and his utter owning of the Fallen One. Lightray received no actual upgrade(and he's still alive and making appearances), and the battle is beyond what he normally demonstrates.

And everything you just listed has been topped by Surfer(with feats that I've already listed), so NONE of it is an indication of Lightray's being equal to Surfer(let alone his being superior to Surfer).

From your view point, I totally understand. As i said, being a fan of both surfer and the new gods, mine is a bit more centered. 🙂

If thanos could beat this cube being, surely he wouldnt' have bowed in fear of galactus would he?

As fpr the unilord thing, See, there was an upgrade of some sorts that allowed him to win. So then it doesn't count. And since Surfer has had low showings after that saga, i'd say it's safe to say it was a temp upgrade. as comics dont' always take the time to show when an upgrade wears off. Or are we to assume that every time superman sun amps, it sticks with him. Since there is no idication that it is temp as he just stores solar energy until he needs it.

As for lightray not getting an upgrade, where have you been? he is a pacifist!! He doesn't need an upgrade, he is a new god. Connected to the source for one. directly to it. as shown when Yugah cut them all off from it. For two, When he went insane, that wasn't an upgrade, that was just him acting out of character. Acting with in the full extent of his powers. As i said, you act as if him fighting takion was the only thing he'd done while insane. he exibited so many powers and to such a great degree that one can't say, oh yeah, he just had an upgrade. no. He simply was acting out of character.

Surfer gets handled by thanos too much. I seem to remember surfer saying thor was his superior as well. Too much consistancy in Surfer's dealings with other top tiers or in thanos case, a step up, to say Surfer is far and away more powerful than a full extent lightray. Lightray is consistantly shown to be a pacifist, so any argument saying that his showing against takion isn't the norm is dumb. becuz we already know that. We also know that the abilities always were there. And this fight says, Lightray operatin at his insane capacity.

Originally posted by quanchi112
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since when did any of the good posters want you to give them a thumbs up?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
since when did any of the good posters want you to give them a thumbs up?

when i agree with something i give it thumbs up. couldnt u figure that one out?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
From your view point, I totally understand. As i said, being a fan of both surfer and the new gods, main is a bit more centered. 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If thanos could beat this cube being, surely he wouldnt' have bowed in fear of galactus would he?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As fpr the unilord thing, See, there was an upgrade of some sorts that allowed him to win. So then it doesn't count. And since Surfer has had low showings after that saga, i'd say it's safe to say it was a temp upgrade. as comics dont' always take the time to show when an upgrade wears off. Or are we to assume that every time superman sun amps, it sticks with him. Since there is no idication that it is temp as he just stores solar energy until he needs it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As for lightray not getting an upgrade, where have you been? he is a pacifist!! He doesn't need an upgrade, he is a new god. Connected to the source for one. directly to it. as shown when Yugah cut them all off from it. For two, When he went insane, that wasn't an upgrade, that was just him acting out of character. Acting with in the full extent of his powers. As i said, you act as if him fighting takion was the only thing he'd done while insane. he exibited so many powers and to such a great degree that one can't say, oh yeah, he just had an upgrade. no. He simply was acting out of character.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Surfer gets handled by thanos too much. I seem to remember surfer saying thor was his superior as well. Too much consistancy in Surfer's dealings with other top tiers or in thanos case, a step up, to say Surfer is far and away more powerful than a full extent lightray. Lightray is consistantly shown to be a pacifist, so any argument saying that his showing against takion isn't the norm is dumb. becuz we already know that. We also know that the abilities always were there. And this fight says, Lightray operatin at his insane capacity.

Originally posted by quanchi112
since this one joined the fray.

when i agree with something i give it thumbs up. couldnt u figure that one out?

You agree with anyone who disagrees with me sticking up for a DC character. especially a new god or wonder woman. Or any dc cosmics. you aren't hard to figure out. actually you are very plain and simple.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You agree with anyone who disagrees with me sticking up for a DC character. especially a new god or wonder woman. Or any dc cosmics. you aren't hard to figure out. actually you are very plain and simple.