Silver Surfer/Beta Ray Bill/ Quasar vs. Hal Jordan/Lightray/Firestorm

Originally posted by darthgoober
Waverider didn't beat DD Supes did. All Waverider contributed to DD's defeat was his timetravel device, which Supes reprogrammed(still a win for Supes). And however you want to try to justify it, Supes was the last one conscious in the DOS saga, which means that he won there also.

As for DS, while SOME of his losses were rectoned to be avatars there are still several which are unaccounted for which means that Supes still has wins over him as well.

So if the standard for Takion's statement being taken at face value holds true for other characters as well, then it must mean that Thor is tougher than ALL the versions of DD that Supes beat at the time of the Avengers/JLA crossover, and DS and his avatars as well.

DS avatars have always been able to be beaten by someone powerful enough. But it comes str8 from DS own mouth that he cannot be beaten on the physical plane. As it isn't just a statement from takion's mouth. It's the ass kicking that light ray was handing out as well. Not many can dish out enough power to make Takion flinch, let alone make a comment about it. Light ray with his speed and physical prowess showed that he could dish it out as good as any top tier. as for your argument about superman and DS and all that, that is just a detour from the real argument, which is that, Lightray can give ANY one in this thread a tuff fight. And I could argue him on his few beats beating any of them at least 4 out of ten.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You obviously don't know light ray.

I know Lightray.

I also know that his showing vs Takion wasn't the norm.

He slammed Takion through a star....

Which is high end, but doesn't match the stuff the rest of the bruisers have brought several times.

You're trying to pass Lightray off as big stuff, but he's the Jimmy to Orions Superman.

Or maybe the Spoiler to Orions Batman?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DS avatars have always been able to be beaten by someone powerful enough. But it comes str8 from DS own mouth that he cannot be beaten on the physical plane.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As it isn't just a statement from takion's mouth. It's the ass kicking that light ray was handing out as well. Not many can dish out enough power to make Takion flinch, let alone make a comment about it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Light ray with his speed and physical prowess showed that he could dish it out as good as any top tier.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
as for your argument about superman and DS and all that, that is just a detour from the real argument, which is that, Lightray can give ANY one in this thread a tuff fight. And I could argue him on his few beats beating any of them at least 4 out of ten.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey don't look at me, there are plenty of things that I see as being wrong with the tier list. But since the things nvr listed are still indications of BEING a high level herald character(rather than being far beyond it), nvr doesn't really have a case for his initial assessment of Lightray's power. And if those are his high end feats(rather than his typical displays of power), then there's not even much of a case for high tier herald either....

Just irks me that FS is so low on the list. 🙁

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, I'm not really debating Lightray...

Just irks me that FS is so low on the list. 🙁

Originally posted by UniOmni
I know Lightray.

I also know that his showing vs Takion wasn't the norm.

He slammed Takion through a star....

Which is high end, but doesn't match the stuff the rest of the bruisers have brought several times.

You're trying to pass Lightray off as big stuff, but he's the Jimmy to Orions Superman.

Or maybe the Spoiler to Orions Batman?

The Norm? the Norm when he's in a his light hearted not really wanting to fight mood is creating stars, beating mongul with EASE, and piercing shields that no one else could. His insane mode is just showing what he would do if he wasn't such a good guy. His lack of feats goes with his character. not becuz he can't, but becuz he's a GOOD guy in the strictest sense of the word.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And it comes strait from Juggs mouth that he's unstoppable, and Hulk's mouth that he's the strongest one there is, and Doom's mouth that he's the most powerful mortal of all(including Molecule Man), and Wolverine's mouth that he's the best at what he does, so what's your point?

Thor's high end feats are damaging the likes of Galactus and the Celestials, so they support Supes statement that Thor's tougher than DD or DS too, and he DID go toe to toe with Supes(who has wins over both DD and DS)...

I never said otherwise. All I did was ask what feats he had to his credit that support your acting like he was far beyond anyone else involved in power.

4 out of 10 isn't what you initially said though is it? You said that he was "considerably greater than any on the field", which means that he should take AT LEAST 8/10 over anyone participating.

Light is considerably greater. When looking at the fact that he actually knocked highfather over and was able to dish it to takion. No one else on the field could. And it's not like takion was talking about himself. As your examples about Juggs and hulk are thrown out. Takion was talking about SOMEONE else as HE FOUGHT him. nuff said.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Norm? the Norm when he's in a his light hearted not really wanting to fight mood is creating stars, beating mongul with EASE, and piercing shields that no one else could. His insane mode is just showing what he would do if he wasn't such a good guy. His lack of feats goes with his character. not becuz he can't, but becuz he's a GOOD guy in the strictest sense of the word.

Decent stuff, but again, already aware of it.

Still not up to the par of Surfer OR Bill.

Quasar vs Lightray would probably be a decent match, with the edge to Wendell.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Decent stuff, but again, already aware of it.

Still not up to the par of Surfer OR Bill.

Quasar vs Lightray would probably be a decent match, with the edge to Wendell.

Quasar would do well if Lightray only had Energy powers at his disposal. But He's got Far greater combat Speed than Quasar. He's also far tuffer and stronger. I actually thought Ligh ray would be a better fight for BRB and Quasar for HAL. As Firestorm was a good match for Silver surfer. But in my opinion, any of the three could pick another opponent and not have an easy time of it.

Beta Ray Bill vs Lightray is basically a less skilled, but more brutal and durable Orion putting a huge foot in his ass.

Quasar vs Hal is Hals fight to lose, since Quantam energy is clearly trumphed by Oan energy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Light is considerably greater. When looking at the fact that he actually knocked highfather over and was able to dish it to takion. No one else on the field could. And it's not like takion was talking about himself. As your examples about Juggs and hulk are thrown out. Takion was talking about SOMEONE else as HE FOUGHT him. nuff said.

And since SOMEONE ELSE(who had just fought him) was the one to say that Thor was tougher than DS or DD again I ask....

Do we take statements like that at face value?

Originally posted by darthgoober
And Surfer beat down a Watcher and beat the Unilord(both of which are easily as impressive as knocking over Highfather or fighting Takion for a bit) so how is Lightray "considerably greater"?

And since SOMEONE ELSE(who had just fought him) was the one to say that Thor was tougher than DS or DD, so again I ask....

Do we take statements like that at face value?

As I said, Thor should be the tuffest opponent superman has ever beaten. I stand behind the fact that Superman has never beaten DD or DS. And it's not just Takion talking about Lightray from his ass. he's got cosmic awareness that is superceded by few, and he's actually taking the lumps to prove it. Also, since when was the watcher as powerful as highfather?

Originally posted by UniOmni
Beta Ray Bill vs Lightray is basically a less skilled, but more brutal and durable Orion putting a huge foot in his ass.

Quasar vs Hal is Hals fight to lose, since Quantam energy is clearly trumphed by Oan energy.

Beta Ray isn't as fast as Orion. And He also doesn't have the luxury of being constantly being healed during the fight. also, BRB isn't more durable than Orion. NOT.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As I said, Thor should be the tuffest opponent superman has ever beaten. I stand behind the fact that Superman has never beaten DD or DS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And it's not just Takion talking about Lightray from his ass. he's got cosmic awareness that is superceded by few, and he's actually taking the lumps to prove it. Also, since when was the watcher as powerful as highfather?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well go raise Hell and get him bumped up. If you post a couple of his major feats, I'm sure he get bumped up to the appropriate level...

I'd rather not look like more of a FS fanboy. 😂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
becuz that ranking thread is shit. that is why. it's about popularity.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Beta Ray isn't as fast as Orion. And He also doesn't have the luxury of being constantly being healed during the fight. also, BRB isn't more durable than Orion. NOT.

Beta Ray Bill likely is a shade more durable than Orion.

He sleeps in suns, and takes planet busting and shakes it off.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Beta Ray Bill likely is a shade more durable than Orion.

He sleeps in suns, and takes planet busting and shakes it off.

check how Orion walks thru the nuclear reactors of a planet. Each some rediculous mega tons per second. How he fights DS for Weaks on end without ceasing. I'd say BRB is NOT a shade more durable.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
check how Orion walks thru the nuclear reactors of a planet. Each some rediculous mega tons per second. How he fights DS for Weaks on end without ceasing. I'd say BRB is NOT a shade more durable.

ps hows galans list of cosmic beings coming there nver?

Originally posted by quanchi112
dont forget orion breaks out of titanium boxes.

ps hows galans list of cosmic beings coming there nver?

Has everyone on the forum stopped calling you idiot and retard yet? i sure hope so. 🙄