Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
How do you know that the demiurgic power within Michael can create an omniverse? Is this speculation or can you prove it? Just curious.
Michael's power is the very power of God. God used this power to create an omniverse. lucifer used the same power to create a multiverse. he didn't know about the omniverse.
Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Here's anouther question for you all to think about:Since Lucifer took all of Michael's power at point blank range, then how in the hell did Michael kick Lucy out of heaven in the first place? Was Mike backed by the Presence or what?
Michael's power was a blast of creation. When he kicked lucy out of heaven, it was a fight. directed energy versus non directed energy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
k. thought so. but lucy beats him right becuz mike is a dumbass. beyonder has more power than lucy and wins outright.
Lucy hasn't beaten micheal. And lucy on his own is might powerful. The limits are unknown. But we know that his will is Omnipotent. Thus PR beyonder will lose.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Michael's power is the very power of God. God used this power to create an omniverse. lucifer used the same power to create a multiverse. he didn't know about the omniverse.
Pray tell, why wouldn't Lucifer know about the omniverse. Shouldn't it be obvious to someone as smart as him? Was it a secret to the Presence only?
I think Michael's power is mulitversal level unless stated otherwise.
Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Pray tell, why wouldn't Lucifer know about the omniverse. Shouldn't it be obvious to someone as smart as him? Was it a secret to the Presence only?I think Michael's power is mulitversal level unless stated otherwise.
That would be dumb of michael's power to be multiversal only when, the entire dc omniverse dies if he dies and no one absorbs it. It would also be dumb for his power to only be multiversal when he's god's power. And this power was used to create the omniverse Lucifer saw once they stepped outside of creation.
Lucifer is smart. But no one said he was omnicient. Thanks. that will be all.
Originally posted by rico777
I didn't know that you took Comic Book writing 101 =/ But all joking aside a comic book is hardly a poem, and they dont write them that way either.
Originally posted by Air Legend
But this is just comic books and when a comic book writer wants to make a point across, the way he ends it is more important. He ended with the word omnipotence, making the phrase "millions of times more powerful" inconsequential and used just as a literary techinique to excite the reader.
Originally posted by rico777
So now you mean to tell me that Marvel has 3 supreme beings? TOAA, Thanos /w HOTI and Pre-Beyonder? Please correct me if i'm wrong in my assumption.
Originally posted by rico777
I'm my opinion as i mentioned earlier, he was hardly supreme. But he definitely did seem that way after the LT and every other cosmic being couldn't do shit to him.
Originally posted by rico777
Thanos /w HOTI can take him on and beat him, of course this is what i believe and i'm sure that others do too.
Originally posted by rico777
Anyways its obvious that we're not going to agree on this. It's just going to keep going in circles and honestly i think we're both getting tired of it. YOu believe that Pre-Beyonder will win, fine! I believe that Lucifer will win.
Originally posted by rico777
I'm going to let the others debate here. Galan and Juntai who do you believe would win? i'm interested in your opinion.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Lucy hasn't beaten micheal. And lucy on his own is might powerful. The limits are unknown. But we know that his will is Omnipotent. Thus PR beyonder will lose.
Lucy winning😆 You are so DC biased.
Originally posted by Air Legend
I agree and that's why I said this:They didn't all exist at the same time. They were/are all supreme during their time.
That and the various mentions of him being supreme which you apparently missed.
One supreme beat another? That's just like quanchi saying Thanos would beat the Presence, and you mock him for saying that so I guess you're a hypocrite.
Go ahead and believe Lucifer would win. You're bascially saying Lucifer is greater than a supreme being which is really like saying Lucifer is greater than the Presence, which is just laughable.
Ha ha. Yea ask others- as in the ones that tend to side with DC- why didn't you ask Mr Master also? Clearly because you are biased.
Thanos /w HOTI did exist at the same time as TOAA. Did he have TOAA's full power, sure! but could the TOAA take it away from him if he wanted to? i believe that he could, since he is truly omnipotent. But Thanos came closer to being god than the Beyonder ever did. So i guess i'm not a hypocrite after all =/
Like i said earlier, I dont believe that the Beyonder was ever supreme.. how is the beyonder going to kill him? Shooting him with a blast that could take out the entire multiverse? the same blast that MM sheilded the other heros? news flash, Lucifer has already survived a multiversal creation destroying blast and came out unscathed. So what else can the Beyonder do to him? But you're right, Lucy is not greater than the presence, he's below him, such as the Beyonder is below Thanos w/HOTI and TOAA.
I ask them because they know a little more about the Lucifer series than me, i have just begun to read it. I wanted their input on Lucifer. But I agree, I'd like to know what Mr.Master has to say. Mr.Master my question to you is, who do you think would win between the Pre-Beyonder and Thanos /w HOTI, were they both supreme in your opinion?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlwho cares how strong ur will is. a will doesnt win the fight alone. if a being is twice as powerful it wont ocme down to will.
Lucy hasn't beaten micheal. And lucy on his own is might powerful. The limits are unknown. But we know that his will is Omnipotent. Thus PR beyonder will lose.
beyonder>michael>lucy
Originally posted by Air Legendnver is dc biased.
hysterical2
Lucy's will winning the match? More like Beyonder's will winning the match.
If the Beyonder for some reason decided not to wipe Lucifer from existence, he would control Lucifer and make him wash his dishes and kiss his shoe 😆Lucy winning😆 You are so DC biased.
he will even tell u and act like some one will take him seriously.
😆 😆
Originally posted by rico777u shouldnt post ur opinion and then at the end ask someone else if they agree with u.
Thanos /w HOTI did exist at the same time as TOAA. Did he have TOAA's full power, sure! but could the TOAA take it away from him if he wanted to? i believe that he could, since he is truly omnipotent. But Thanos came closer to being god than the Beyonder ever did. So i guess i'm not a hypocrite after all =/Like i said earlier, I dont believe that the Beyonder was ever supreme.. how is the beyonder going to kill him? Shooting him with a blast that could take out the entire multiverse? the same blast that MM sheilded the other heros? news flash, Lucifer has already survived a multiversal creation destroying blast and came out unscathed. So what else can the Beyonder do to him? But you're right, Lucy is not greater than the presence, he's below him, such as the Beyonder is below Thanos w/HOTI and TOAA.
I ask them because they know a little more about the Lucifer series than me, i have just begun to read it. I wanted their input on Lucifer. But I agree, I'd like to know what Mr.Master has to say. Mr.Master my question to you is, who do you think would win between the Pre-Beyonder and Thanos /w HOTI, were they both supreme in your opinion?
it looks bad.
Originally posted by rico777
Thanos /w HOTI did exist at the same time as TOAA. Did he have TOAA's full power, sure! but could the TOAA take it away from him if he wanted to? i believe that he could, since he is truly omnipotent. But Thanos came closer to being god than the Beyonder ever did. So i guess i'm not a hypocrite after all =/
Originally posted by rico777
Like i said earlier, I dont believe that the Beyonder was ever supreme.. [/B]
Originally posted by rico777
how is the beyonder going to kill him? Shooting him with a blast that could take out the entire multiverse? the same blast that MM sheilded the other heros? news flash, Lucifer has already survived a multiversal creation destroying blast and came out unscathed. So what else can the Beyonder do to him? But you're right, Lucy is not greater than the presence, he's below him, such as the Beyonder is below Thanos w/HOTI and TOAA. [/B]
