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Originally posted by NemebroThe glass in that scene falls at 10m/s, the time distortion makes the glass fall 0.01m in 12 seconds. 1/12,000th the speed. During this he was doing 2.5m swings in 0.5 seconds, 5m/s.(10ms/(0.01m/12s))*(2.5m/0.5s)
=60,000m/s
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
In the latter article, 100k is for the downward Leader. They haven't given a speed for the Return Stroke which is magnitudes faster. I've seen varying speeds, but most of them are in the range I mentioned earlier.Average speed for Lightning is not as fast as that of the Return stroke obviously, but when we see traditional Lightning, we are only seeing the Return Stroke(s), and a single one lasts on average, 30 microseconds.
How again did you find out that Alastor Dante was slower than Sparda?
So the k speeds is the downward leader and the mil speeds is from the return stroke?
You'd think some science guys would have posted some official figures by now :/
Mundus wouldnt/couldnt make Nelo above Sparda or himself. As the Sparda line goes, speed and strength increase by around the same amount [eg Dante was weaker and slower than Vergil until he got a power boost to where he matched him] and Sparda is well above Nelo and Dante.
Physics do, but I am wondering if thats hypersonic speed, or supersonic at all, those flying things that can catch up with him dont go at hypersonic speed, when you fight them their fairly slow tbh and on top of that, he slows down at times when he jumps on them iirc as does the sword when it hits them. I think this is one of those weird DMC logic things.Also you still did not counter momentum, things dont usually go from zero to mach speeds, this is important because if he needs a fair amount of momentum to reach even mach 1, nevermind any higher. Theres also durability, Dante is quite soft, so assuming he can go fast, even as fast as "speed of light " (having played the games I could never agree to this, nor the use of gameplay items) he would gib himself, e.g. splatter or burn up.
Physics do except when it comes to DMC friction? Did you even watch the scene? I ask because no Blood-Goyle's were flying around or catching Dante when he began this feat..
Things dont go from 0-Mach without momentum? Sonic verse, Bleach verse, Naruto verse, One Piece verse, Tenchi verse, Kingdom hearts verse, Final Fantasy verse, Megamind verse, Smallville verse/DC verse, Marvel verse, Afro Samurai verse, Dragon Ball verse, Pokemon verse, Digimon verse.... pretty much every verse that has supesonic characters can near instantly get to their max speed. And who said Dante would splatter or burn up? 80 kg guy at 5000m/s, 4e5 N. Lets compare that to his feats: Beowulf and Vergil w/ Beowulf both fight and strike Dante with 5.459e5 N and as we see Dante can take this like it was nothing. Thats splattering done. Now heat: Science gais say that the temp of visible friction heat in C equals its speed in m/s. So 5000C, less than what Ifrit is which again Dante tanks. You done?
BT did you read what I wrote? Honestly asking. Can you? Because either you didnt, cant remember or are intentionally repeating the same things. Ill say again: Dante is not lightspeed, but due to Quicksilver making Dante appear 1000 times faster he can actually be at max appear at those speeds.
He was moving at more or less the same speed as before, and he himself didnt actually catch up to his blade with ease did he, he closed on it slowly. So thats feats for the specific characters in those verses? also you just turned this into an argument, why dont you post all this in the other thread with Dante in it? along with proof of him going from zero to max speed in an instant. Show me vergil or Beowulf getting a hit on Dante then the math that their somehow at 5e5? Also I was more refering to light speed, which would be 200 million or something, although I dont recall ifrit hitting him either, simply him asborbing its power and moaning in pain while doing so, if you recall the demon souls in those objects bow to his power or will allowing him to use them without harm.
Thats the same thing as saying Dante "seems" to be light speed. Especially if your under the impression quicksilver makes Dante so fast, hence why it slows.
You turned it into an argumet with your very first post here :l take it up in some other thread you find then.
Obviously not as now hes got hypersonic friction.
Nearly all the character in their verses. Nothing to assume Dante is the odd one out.
Check this very respect thread.
300 mil. And hed only be taking the force of 300k, 60x base speed. DT is fare more durably that base, DDT even more so.
One more time, appear.Remember; everythings gotten slower, he hasnt gotten faster.
Going to have to disagree on the assertion of lightning speed BR.
Notice when the lightning destroys the glass and connects with Dante and his sword.
While the lightning display is going on, the glass is falling in slow motion.
The lightning bolts are demonstrably much faster than Dante is in slow motion, that alone disproves it.
Beyond that, every time Dante swings Alastor, a gust of wind accompanies it, and the glass seems to shift and stay in the air.
So... Yeah.
Originally posted by BloodRainSo the k speeds is the downward leader and the mil speeds is from the return stroke?
You'd think some science guys would have posted some official figures by now :/
Mundus wouldnt/couldnt make Nelo above Sparda or himself. As the Sparda line goes, speed and strength increase by around the same amount [eg Dante was weaker and slower than Vergil until he got a power boost to where he matched him] and Sparda is well above Nelo and Dante.
Correctamundo. With our naked eyes, we're only capable of seeing the Return stroke, and due to its speed, we perceive it coming down from the cloud, when in reality, it is going up from the ground to the cloud.
I noe eh?
Eh, but certain weapon DTs alter his stats differently. Cerberus' DT makes him faster than his other DTs, Beowulf's DT makes him harder to knock back than other DTs, and Nevan's DT gives him a superior regeneration rate.
Alastor Dante specifically makes him 'Lightning fast', but does not increase his strength by a similar factor afaik. Ergo, I think that Alastor was just a special case where his speed was amped beyond the norm, and that Nelo/Sparda weren't necessarily going to be equal when it came to just speed.
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"The lightning bolts are demonstrably much faster than Dante is in slow motion, that alone disproves it."
Perhaps, but thing is there are two slow-down parts of the scene. When the lightnings there the glass is falling much faster [.5m/s] than it is when he starts swinging.
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"Eh, but certain weapon DTs alter his stats differently. Cerberus' DT makes him faster than his other DTs, Beowulf's DT makes him harder to knock back than other DTs, and Nevan's DT gives him a superior regeneration rate.
Alastor Dante specifically makes him 'Lightning fast', but does not increase his strength by a similar factor afaik. Ergo, I think that Alastor was just a special case where his speed was amped beyond the norm, and that Nelo/Sparda weren't necessarily going to be equal when it came to just speed."
I didnt mean Alastor amps his strength by the same amount, meant how the the Sparda bloodline does. Like how Pre3Dante's strength and speed both increased when his Sparda blood 'leveled up'. Same with Arkham/Sanctus/Dante with the Sparda blade, Nelo's corrupt lvl up and non-weapon DT's in general. Nelo was for the most part equal to AlastorDante, even outmaneuvering him at their first bout. Theres even how he travels around to consider.
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This is what happens when you try to absorb Dante's blood and soul.
Originally posted by BloodRain
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"The lightning bolts are demonstrably much faster than Dante is in slow motion, that alone disproves it."Perhaps, but thing is there are two slow-down parts of the scene. When the lightnings there the glass is falling much faster [.5m/s] than it is when he starts swinging.
I'm not seeing much of a difference at all.
Also, you did notice that some glass, during Dante swinging Alastor, actually made it to the floor, right?
Plus, like I said, every time Dante swings his sword, the glass moves.
THIS IS NO COINCIDENCE.
"Using the Quicksilver ability he got from Geryon gives him a great skill and appeared speed image. Rocks fall at least 1000cm/s, in Dante's perspective they were moving at most 1cm/s. Time was slowed down to 1/1000th normal speed. Eg after QS E&I's bullet speed would seem to be over 10 times faster than a [60000m/s] lightning bolt, normal walking speed would seem to be at Mach 4 and a garden snail with QS will look like its moving at 30 mph..."
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Not to be an ass or anything but where did you get your numbers cause I wanna use em in this debate on factpile with Dante vs Negi Springfield and it looks as if quicksilver is his saving grace. If you want feel free to stop by http://www.factpile.com/6583-negi-springfield-vs-dante/
"I'm not seeing much of a difference at all."
Before swinging; glass falls from the 3m high ceiling to a foot off the the ground.
While swinging; Barely moving.
"Also, you did notice that some glass, during Dante swinging Alastor, actually made it to the floor, right?
Plus, like I said, every time Dante swings his sword, the glass moves."
Looking through the scene again, focusing on the floor, no glass save for post-swinging reaches the floor.
The glass in the area where Dante is swinging his sword moves? The only shards that are moving are the smaller parts, explained by Dante swinging around. Its unlikely that he would miss every shard around him.
"Not to be an ass or anything but where did you get your numbers cause I wanna use em in this debate on factpile with Dante vs Negi Springfield and it looks as if quicksilver is his saving grace. If you want feel free to stop by http://www.factpile.com/6583-negi-springfield-vs-dante/"
The rocks in that scene were initially moving at 10m/s minimum based on gravity. A newer terminal velocity calc makes this speed slightly higher, about 12m/s+, but a lowball 10m/s is easier to work with. Post-QS makes the rocks fall at 1cm/s, or 0.01m/s.
-Edit: The 1cm/s was measured from its distance/speed with distance measurements from comparing to Dante-
10 / 0.01 = 1,000.
Meaning QS slows time down to 1/1,000th of its normal speed.
Negi's fastest stated speed of 150,000m/s [Mahou Sensei Negima! Chapter 242 Page 8] will appear to move at 150m/s, or Mach 0.441, with QS activated.
In combination with his Chrono Heart Amulet from DMC2, which lags time by 1/5th, the whole time dilation would be 1/5,000th normal speed. Making a 150,000m/s character appear to only move at 30m/s, 3 times faster than peak human.
heres another speed feat for Dante www.youtube.com/watch?v=uncgxyP4l3o (8:57) nero loses track of dante while reloading.. let me remind you the scene is in slow motion but when in real time with out slow motion nero reloads so fast it looks as if he’s just flicking his wrist
nero reloading in real time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBaWYXfQIC4 (1:57)
not to be an ass but guys from other sites said that dante can only reach hyperspeeds by running down a vertically and not horizontal. he said."Dante was using his own speed to run that fast, but the point I was making is that the speed Dante could reach in the vertical drop run, compared to a horizontal run, is higher due to the more favorable conditions. As I have said before the favorable conditions are due to the more aerodynamic stance he could take, not having to waste force to keep himself off the ground, and gravity giving him a small boost in the force of his downward acceleration. The largest factors in the superior conditions isn’t even the gravity accerating him downward, but less air resistance and not having to counteract gravity."
and another guy said “Gravity does, however, act as an impediment in most cases. Moving straight down, that impediment isn’t present. It’s as I’ve said elsewhere: Dante CAN move fast enough to do that, just not outside of those circumstances.”
ignore my last question
here's another speed feat for dante and nero http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QWJs-kyIQ4 (1:08) they both percieve the stone sword falling in slow motion while nero moves in at his reg speed
Dante was using his own speed to run that fast, but the point I was making is that the speed Dante could reach in the vertical drop run, compared to a horizontal run, is higher due to the more favorable conditions. As I have said before the favorable conditions are due to the more aerodynamic stance he could take, not having to waste force to keep himself off the ground, and gravity giving him a small boost in the force of his downward acceleration. The largest factors in the superior conditions isn’t even the gravity accerating him downward, but less air resistance and not having to counteract gravity.
Not sure about the air resistance as his body is going to be in the same running position either way...
Gravity does, however, act as an impediment in most cases. Moving straight down, that impediment isn’t present. It’s as I’ve said elsewhere: Dante CAN move fast enough to do that, just not outside of those circumstances.
Maybe this all would effect someone in the organic speed limits [up to 200 m/s], not so much on hypersonic movements.
And besides, are they really saying that Dante can't get to Mach 10-20 like this feat suggests? When Dante plays around at Mach 5-10? Or when Vergil was casually moving at Mach 11? Or how Vergil and a slightly weaker Dante were fighting at Mach 15? Or when Nelo Angelo was fighting an Alastor speed Dante? Or how Dante's higher forms are even faster than that?
"Dante CAN move fast..", and that's that.
here's another speed feat for dante and nero http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QWJs-kyIQ4 (1:08) they both percieve the stone sword falling in slow motion while nero moves in at his reg speed