The official respect thread of Dante

I have yet to see an explanation for the straight-falling ones.
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I don’t know, and frankly, don’t care whether these reliable debators accepted them. They could be just too lazy to check (happened to me sometime). If there is a discrepancy, and the discrepancy can affect the cal result, and no acceptable reasoning was given, the cal is toasted
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The cal hasn’t proved it, and ingame description called much slower character lightning speed all the time.
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It’s about when you start counting and stop counting. The effect did not kick in even when Dante first started swinging (the visible shards still can be seen falling at the ‘lesser’ slow mo speed). It took till the angle switch (over half a second since 1:19) for the shards to stop moving.
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Err what? Did you even notice all the inflated assumption (longer than half-height arm length)?
An acceptable cal must use not only non-inflated numbers but also the lowest end among possible numbers.
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I prefer calculation to you measuring on yourself, which is pretty much eye balling because I doubt you can use a ruler to measure it (I cant even confirm whether you are 1.875m).
Then there’s the problem of his arms being bowed (for a 3m semi circle, he need a 0.9554 m arm, with a ramrod straight hand swing, going from full stretched arm over his head to well below his waist and behind his back), he made a downward slash without twisting his body much beside the necessary movement to swing a sword, from over his head (not even full stretched arm) but end a bit above his waist and definitely at the front of his torse, not behind.That’s only a semi circle if you use only the length of his forearm for calculation, not his entire arm length.
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0.9554 m arm is impossible for Dante’s height btw, unless he look like a monkey with very long arms. His is most likely below 0.9375m mark (half his body height, and that’s still longer than normal proportion, as said, a character taller than Dante only has arm length in the 0.8x m).
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And make sure the sword sound stop before you stop counting time, the sword/hand moving offscreen does not mean he stopped moving
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Just gonna say now that in no way can it be 1.5m/s. For reference; 1.5m/s is the speed of a person walking while 10m/s is the speed of an average punch. Did that scene really look like it was moving at a walking pace to you? No, even by eye you can tell that it was faster than walking speed and below average punch speed. Aka between 1.5m/s and 10m/s.. which oddly enough comes to about 6m/s as well.
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We don’t eye ball or play guess. 3m for full semi-circle (slash 3 with body turn) was already a generous calculation assuming outrageous untrue factors (monkey arm Dante with extremely straight and wild swing), wherein valid calculation must use conservative numbers. I can get as low as 2.66-2.67m for semi-circle swing and still say I’m being generous with number.
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If Dante don’t have the muscle memory/impulse to act at that speed, his muscles cannot contract correctly to make a swing, while assuming he has conscious control over the process is much more high end.
The fact that he can swing his sword at that speed mean either of the two, and assuming high end is simply the wrong way to go while examining feats.

The guy swinging a sword around explains any movement. Angle it hits, collision with other shards, overall force from him slashing.. a few reasons.

So no calc can be taken if someone can find even the smallest area of doubt, even if on an area not in direct relation to the calc? OK, that rules out nearly every calcable feat.

Though again, as I said, the calc either proves the statement or shows the creators intent of the statement. And assuming your cacl was right it would still show the devs intent to show lightning speed.

The moment youre talking about has him moving for 0.2 seconds, so taking that off 12 and we got 11.8 seconds.. basically the same as 12 in the long run.

Yes, I noticed your numbers. The 'well behind his other side’s waist' ignores the body's twisting motion and in the end you use the 3m distance meaning yo either think its close or you don't know what the distance you want it. I'd rather be able to measure from real-life movements than guess. Next is the time which you're far off with. First slash- 0.8 seconds. Second slash- 0.5 seconds. Third slash- 0.6 seconds. Forth slash- 0.5 seconds. In 2 seconds Dante goes from the starting point, through the first slash, moving to the second slash and then that slash. 3 seconds goes from the start, through all that and adds the set up to the third slash... you dont even need to pause to know how wrong 2 or 3 seconds is.

I'm sorry but you didn't use a calculation to measure the distance nor the speed. After all the un-calculated all you said is that its 'less than 3m hand movement', then used a time-frame that I'm not even sure you can justify.
6'2" and got someone to measure with string my hands travel path then brought out the tape measure. That with a frame-by-frame on the speed of the clip and I have a method thats far more accurate than how you got your results. Try not to assume next time.

Relevant to your figured, irrelevant to a real-life scale.

I don't time any movement that goes out of sight, only the four slashes above where the whole movement is visible.

We don't? Because without any formulas or precision, thats all your previous post was.. being resultless and all. Look at a pic of the Empire state building. I'm telling you its 50m high by this calc I did. Now without knowing any real numbers about it, will you believe my height? No. Because you can obviously tell just by looking at it that the height I gave is wrong. As i said, were his movements at the speed of you walking?

Ok so your figure comes to 2.665m? Alright lets use that for a moment, what time frame? No I'm not using 2 or 3 seconds as theres no way that can be justified. All four slashes are give or take the same distances with different times so lets use that 0.5 seconds and a whole second just for the hell of it:
2.665m/1s= 2.665m/s
2.665m/0.5s= 5.33m/s

Now put into the full calc:
(10/ (0.005/ 12))*2.665 = 63,960m/s
(10/ (0.005/ 12))*5.33 = 127,920m/s

With your distance and a the real time we get 128km/s. With a whole second as the time (aka the time it takes from the start, through the first slash and up to setting up the second ie longer than any slash he does) we get 64km/s, which is still above the 60km/s low-end lightning speed.

You didn't clarify anything. You're saying that Alastor targets Dante's muscles and nerves /only/. So when in combat he would be slashing, blocking and doing all of his combat without Dante ever realizing what happened as his brain was too slow to register what was happening? Muscle memory would still need to have a stimulus triggered to be able to move, and seeing as every stimulus goes through the brain to act, the brain would need the reactions. Hold on.. thinking a character can control their own movements is high end? No, a characters reactions must be on the level of their speed.
Assuming it targets his muscles only, that his reactions cant keep up with his own movements, that he has no conscious control when using it = Occam's razor in need as you have literally no way to even begin giving evidence to support it.
My assumptions? That Dante can fight at that speed.. the simple evidence being me pointing at the cutscene or even gameplay.

"Strength increases by 400,000x in the same 10 years, "
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Wait, so does that mean Dante is a 400,000 tonner?

DMC3: 1e5 N = 1e5 kg = ~110 tons.

DMC4: 4e10 N = 4e10 Kg = ~44,000,000 tons.

Originally posted by BloodRain
DMC3: 1e5 N = 1e5 kg = ~110 tons.

DMC4: 4e10 N = 4e10 Kg = ~44,000,000 tons.

Daaaamn, how'd you get that number

The 4e10N came from the compression strength of crushing the marble mass of the Savior's head.

Theres that and being stronger than the Savior, which is hypersonic and weighs 200,000 tons.

Originally posted by BloodRain
The 4e10N came from the compression strength of crushing the marble mass of the Savior's head.

Theres that and being stronger than the Savior, which is hypersonic and weighs 200,000 tons.

But wasn't that nero's feat

Dante and Nero have the same strength level. Shown in their combat and also in the Novel where, as Nero is crushing the Savior, Dante says to himself that in terms of brute power, Nero might just be stronger than him. So Nero's DB arm may be a bit stronger than base Dante, but for all intents and purpose their strength is equal.

http://www.factpile.com/4672-bayonetta-vs-dante/comment-page-4/#comment-359677 when you get a chance check out that thread

Done that here a few times. First, Bay has sub-sonic speed with at most hypersonic reactions (3secs to catch a hypersonic satellite). At best she could block Dante's attack, difficult to tag him. Second, base Bay is weaker than Dante. Its only when she charges a hit, which takes around 10 seconds, that their strength is near equal.

Dante has both physical advantages, can boost both stats further, great regen, QS to match her WT or BoT to beat it, much more powerful weapons (her 4 guns and a featless sword vs his Alastor, Yamato, Ifrit etc) and other things like clones, teleporting or BFR/sealing shots.
The only thing she has that he doesnt is her summons. Which, besides the final one who she cant call on solo, will be easily killed.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Done that here a few times. First, Bay has sub-sonic speed with at most hypersonic reactions (3secs to catch a hypersonic satellite). At best she could block Dante's attack, difficult to tag him.

To be honest, I would count her satellite catching and building busting headbutt as a game mechanic since you can fail the QTE and still complete the mission my example is this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvz0STNcptc where this dude fails miserably. Both the building (2:51 in the video) and satellite(5:30) smack him and he still completes the mission. So those feats should'nt be counted nor used in debates.

The thing were debating about over there is who activates there time powers first. I say Dante would first because of his superior reaction time

Count it or not, her base (satellite and Temperance) and charged (skyscraper) strength is below base Dante. With them she's weaker

Yep. He has the faster reactions, faster if its EoS Dante.

How fast was that satellite coming down? I still don't count those feats since thier game mechanics

Its speed is around 4,000m/s. Bay reacts to it when its 34m away, giving her a reaction time of 0.0085s | 85ms.

Dante can react to attacks at his own speed (E.g. Vergil) in a melee range, giving him a reaction time of 0.0002s | 2ms. His RT is a fair bit faster.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Dante and Nero have the same strength level.

How'd you come to this conclusion?

Originally posted by Kuja9001
How'd you come to this conclusion?

Or in the game in D&N's last fight. They're physically colliding and are around equals, and thats with a bloodlust Nero using DT when possible against Dante who was toying with him.

Nero's DB = base Dante.

@BloodRain
You owned the dude that tried to argue against you about alastor's speed lol he never even replied to your last post. So in conclusion whats alastor's speed high end lightning or low end lighting (numbers to be exact so I can use it in the future debates)

Seeing as his own calc near equal to mine, he hay not see the point in standing against it anymore.

Alastor is at right on the average lightning speed line at 144km/s.
The same speed as Nelo Angelo. Mundas, Argosax and Sparda(sword DT) are faster than this by powerscaling, and EoS/DMC2 base Dante is even faster as he can blitz Argosax.

Hmm. So alastor puts Dante at Mach 420 and QS gives Dante a speed of 4116km/s in other words Mach 12,000. Yep Dante is unstoppable

Well QS makes him appear like he's a thousand times faster than he is, so with QS he'd appear at 1,000*144km/s.