Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Here is were I disagree Lana.Putting a suspect in handcuffs does not guarantee the indivual is totally subdue. The suspect could still cause harm to a peace officer by kicking, head butts, biting, or using his body to inflict pain. The indivual did NOT respond it in a reasonable manner. An average person in these situations obeys the directions given by the officer. Screaming and trying to struggle only increases the risk of an officer using more force.
Screaming and trying to struggle isn't quite being a threat, not by any means.
And I think someone being held down by four cops isn't going to be able to do anything, no matter how they try. Not unless they had a weapon of some sort, and that would more likely than not been taken away BEFORE they were gotten on the ground.
Originally posted by Lanahow many times do I need to say that I am not trying to justify anything? I have said numerous times that we are in no position to judge since we were not there.
Then why are you trying so hard to justify the actions of the cops?
All I am saying is that we should not be so quick to judge them.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
no, afraid not. the police are there to protect and serve, but more to protect Kerry than anything else. when they see some idiot ranting and raving, then moving towards Kerry as he runs from the cops, what are they supposed to do?
He was no threat to Kerry.
Kerry himself told everyone to chill. Especially the cops.
You are changing the facts to make the Cops look better. They made a mistake.
Now, they weren't really bloodlusting idiots, they just made a mistake...no big deal.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
how many times do I need to say that I am not trying to justify anything? I have said numerous times that we are in no position to judge since we were not there.All I am saying is that we should not be so quick to judge them.
You say that in between saying that there wasn't any problem with the cops tasering the kid because "we don't know what actually happened because we weren't there".
Sounds like justifying it to me, no matter how you try and claim otherwise.
Nor do you seem to have any problem in judging the kid, either.
Originally posted by Rogue JediYou judge the guy without a second thought and disregard everything that makes the cops look bad.
how many times do I need to say that I am not trying to justify anything? I have said numerous times that we are in no position to judge since we were not there.All I am saying is that we should not be so quick to judge them.
Originally posted by Lanaright back at you, Lana. come on, have you ever seen a fight? have you ever witnessed a violent arrest? one or two seconds is all that is needed for the tables to turn.
A few seconds is a very short amount of time so no, not much could actually have happened.And even so, it does not matter. It does absolutely NOTHING to change the fact that he was tasered AFTER he was subdued, on the ground, and surrounded. Even if he WAS a threat at some point, he wasn't one anymore.
Good god, this is like talking to a brick wall.
Originally posted by Lana
Screaming and trying to struggle isn't quite being a threat, not by any means.And I think someone being held down by four cops isn't going to be able to do anything, no matter how they try. Not unless they had a weapon of some sort, and that would more likely than not been taken away BEFORE they were gotten on the ground.
Yes it is a threat, since you do not know the mental status of the suspect. You do say it took four cops. I've seen people getting handcuff by a single officer of the law. They comply with the orders. That's all you have to do. You cannot predict how the suspect will react to an arrest. This is a risk cops face everyday in their line of duty. If it takes four cops...then this indivual is not following orders.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarfWoah, we don't know if it took four cops, we just know they used 4.
Yes it is a threat, since you do not know the mental status of the suspect. You do say it took four cops. I've seen people getting handcuff by a single officer of the law. They comply with the orders. That's all you have to do. You cannot predict how the suspect will react to an arrest. This is a risk cops face everyday in their line of duty. If it takes four cops...then this indivual is not following orders.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarfexactly. All he had to do was cooperate, and he refused with every fiber of his being, KNOWING he would suffer for it.
Yes it is a threat, since you do not know the mental status of the suspect. You do say it took four cops. I've seen people getting handcuff by a single officer of the law. They comply with the orders. That's all you have to do. You cannot predict how the suspect will react to an arrest. This is a risk cops face everyday in their line of duty.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
right back at you, Lana. come on, have you ever seen a fight? have you ever witnessed a violent arrest? one or two seconds is all that is needed for the tables to turn.
Yeah, I have. And that still does not change a single thing.
"Oh, he could possibly become violent, so let's zap him just in case!"
Nope, doesn't work that way. That is illegal.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Yes it is a threat, since you do not know the mental status of the suspect. You do say it took four cops. I've seen people getting handcuff by a single officer of the law. They comply with the orders. That's all you have to do. You cannot predict how the suspect will react to an arrest. This is a risk cops face everyday in their line of duty. If it takes four cops...then this indivual is not following orders.
Read my reply to RJ in this post. Just because someone could possibly become a threat does not justify that sort of action.
And, um, someone shouting "Don't tase me" is threatening? Come on, you have got to be kidding me.
Also, just because there were four cops there does not mean four were needed. It's just as likely that one could have handled it by themselves.
Originally posted by Rogue JediWow, now the guy is Batman? You really think he has a chance..on the floor...on his stomach....his hands hold behind his back...begging for mercy...to overturn 4....yes, FOUR...cops?
right back at you, Lana. come on, have you ever seen a fight? have you ever witnessed a violent arrest? one or two seconds is all that is needed for the tables to turn.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
no, afraid not. the police are there to protect and serve, but more to protect Kerry than anything else. when they see some idiot ranting and raving, then moving towards Kerry as he runs from the cops, what are they supposed to do?
Exactly what they did, move him away from over civilians and subdue him. Not subdue him and then use a taser, which is what they did.
That's the 4th maybe 5th question of yours I answered, care to answer mine?
Originally posted by Bardock42not impossible. improbable, yes, but not impossible. trust me, I have seen two or three cops, big and buff, like you and I, who had to use every ounce of their strength to subdue one person. when someone is enraged like he was, they utilize their strength.
Wow, now the guy is Batman? You really think he has a chance..on the floor...on his stomach....his hands hold behind his back...begging for mercy...to overturn 4....yes, FOUR...cops?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
not impossible. improbable, yes, but not impossible. trust me, I have seen two or three cops, big and buff, like you and I, who had to use every ounce of their strength to subdue one person. when someone is enraged like he was, they utilize their strength.
He wasn't enraged. He was crying...
And lots of things are not impossible, Police Officers should know when it is necessary to use such measurements...and that was really uncalled for.
Originally posted by Robtardyour question being why am I justifying the cops actions?
Exactly what they did, move him away from over civilians and subdue him. Not subdue him [b]and then use a taser, which is what they did.That's the 4th maybe 5th question of yours I answered, care to answer mine? [/B]
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
not impossible. improbable, yes, but not impossible. trust me, I have seen two or three cops, big and buff, like you and I, who had to use every ounce of their strength to subdue one person. when someone is enraged like he was, they utilize their strength.
So now he's the Hulk, besides being Batman, the worlds finest combatant. To me, he looked like an out of shape weeny.