RJ, even though we went through this for 4-5 pages last night/early morning. Let re-statement a question. There are two absolute facts, that we can see from the video, before they tasered him:
1) He was on his belly and was surrounded by 4 officers, with at least 1 other standing by.
2) His hands were pinned behind his back.
So, considering those two facts, what justification can you give for the officers using tasers?
Originally posted by Robtardwhat justification can you give for him acting like a complete imbecile, resisting, trying to run? one thing led to another, it should never have gotten that far in the first place.
RJ, even though we went through this for 4-5 pages last night/early morning. Let re-statement a question. There are two absolute facts, that we can see from the video, before they tasered him:1) He was on his belly and was surrounded by 4 officers, with at least 1 other standing by.
2) His hands were pinned behind his back.
So, considering those two facts, what justification can you give for the officers using tasers?
honestly, if I were one of the cops, I'd have subdued him then and there, on stage. trying to escort him out only added fuel to the fire, enraged him even further. THAT was their biggest mistake.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
what justification can you give for him acting like a complete imbecile, resisting, trying to run? one thing led to another, it should never have gotten that far in the first place.honestly, if I were one of the cops, I'd have subdued him then and there, on stage. trying to escort him out only added fuel to the fire, enraged him even further. THAT was their biggest mistake.
No, tasering was their biggest mistake.
Now, do not dodge and actually answer the question
"RJ, even though we went through this for 4-5 pages last night/early morning. Let re-statement a question. There are two absolute facts, that we can see from the video, before they tasered him:
1) He was on his belly and was surrounded by 4 officers, with at least 1 other standing by.
2) His hands were pinned behind his back.
So, considering those two facts, what justification can you give for the officers using tasers?"
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
what justification can you give for him acting like a complete imbecile, resisting, trying to run? one thing led to another, it should never have gotten that far in the first place.honestly, if I were one of the cops, I'd have subdued him then and there, on stage. trying to escort him out only added fuel to the fire, enraged him even further. THAT was their biggest mistake.
At least have the decency to answer my question, before you ask me one.
My answer to the above: It's his right to act like an idiot, that is completely irrelevant though, to him being tasered AFTER he was subdued.
So, care to answer now?
Originally posted by Bardock42the cops not subduing him earlier LED to him on the ground, and the tazing. nip the problem in the bud early, no more problems, no tazing. one thing leads to another.
No, tasering was their biggest mistake.Now, do not dodge and actually answer the question
"RJ, even though we went through this for 4-5 pages last night/early morning. Let re-statement a question. There are two absolute facts, that we can see from the video, before they tasered him:
1) He was on his belly and was surrounded by 4 officers, with at least 1 other standing by.
2) His hands were pinned behind his back.
So, considering those two facts, what justification can you give for the officers using tasers?"
I am in no position to justify anything, just like you are not in any position to question it. the video is not that great. now, had you and I been there, right there watching it, things would be different.
honestly, he is lucky he got out of this with only a tazing. the moment he resisted and tried to run, he was moving towards Kerry. he is lucky he didnt get an ASP upside his head.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
the cops not subduing him earlier LED to him on the ground, and the tazing. nip the problem in the bud early, no more problems, no tazing. one thing leads to another.I am in no position to justify anything, just like you are not in any position to question it. the video is not that great. now, had you and I been there, right there watching it, things would be different.
honestly, he is lucky he got out of this with only a tazing. the moment he resisted and tried to run, he was moving towards Kerry. he is lucky he didnt get an ASP upside his head.
Dodge...
There are two facts we know for certain; I wrote them out for you. You can also verify them for yourself, from the video.
1) He was on his belly and was surrounded by 4 officers, with at least 1 other standing by.
2) His hands were pinned behind his back.
So, considering those two facts, what justification can you give? What he did prior to being subdued is irrelevant, according to the law.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
the cops not subduing him earlier LED to him on the ground, and the tazing. nip the problem in the bud early, no more problems, no tazing. one thing leads to another.I am in no position to justify anything, just like you are not in any position to question it. the video is not that great. now, had you and I been there, right there watching it, things would be different.
honestly, he is lucky he got out of this with only a tazing. the moment he resisted and tried to run, he was moving towards Kerry. he is lucky he didnt get an ASP upside his head.
One thing always leads to another, but still killing 5 million Jews was the bigger mistake not Hitler's Mom not breast feeding him when he was 2 and a half.
And he LAY ON THE GROUND.
No running. He got tasered on the ground.
Lying there.
Begging not to be tasered.
And I am in every position to question their decision. You are trying to make excuses, cause you like Cops. Forget that. Look at it objectively. Realize they used excessive and unnecessary force.
Re: Student gets arrested and tasered at John Kerry Forum
Originally posted by InnerRise
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered.ap/While asking his question the police just up and grabs him, he struggles, and they taser him and take him away.
Anata Wa Wakarimasu Ka.....
I hate arrogant, know-it-all, look-at-me brats. The only time I don't have a problem with some wacko yelling in a crowd is in Queensryche's Speak.
Originally posted by Robtardre read the post you quoted very carefully, your answer is there.
Dodge...There are two facts we know for certain; I wrote them out for you. You can also verify them for yourself, from the video.
1) He was on his belly and was surrounded by 4 officers, with at least 1 other standing by.
2) His hands were pinned behind his back.
So, considering those two facts, what justification can you give? What he did prior to being subdued is irrelevant, according to the law.
Re: Re: Student gets arrested and tasered at John Kerry Forum
Originally posted by botankus
I hate arrogant, know-it-all, look-at-me brats. The only time I'll accept some wacko yelling in a crowd is when I fire up Queensryche's Speak.
A few pages later, Innerrise changed his stance and felt the tasering was justified, because this "jerk" had ruined the Harry Potter ending for some people in a book-signing line in a previous hijinx.