The Concept of No Afterlife

The evidence points to the torment (not torture as the word does not appear in any form in the Bible) being within ones own control.

It's not unorthodox at all. 90% of theologians that I've ever seen have come to the same conclusion. It's the official position of many Protestant groups, the Orthodox, the Mormons and the Catholics. Ever heard of hell being called separation from God?

but i eloborated on the torment/torturse aspect of it didnt it. with god being omnipotent and omniscient, it means the same thing either way.

it is rather unorthodoxed. perhaps the theologians "you" meet are not representativbe of the wolrd because you are not meating them at random. perhaps they are giving you a more flowery interpretation of their actual beleifs{which often changes when in more extreme company- sumthing i have witnessed} .

most protestant groups have a very different official stance and an even more practical one as far as indoctrination of the following masses go.
im certain the catholics have conflicting views and more than one theoligian, not to mention that the threat of hell and punishment of unbeleivers is always a trademaerk teaching in mostly all catholic organisations/churches under its jurisdiction. mormons, i can not speak of, on this matter , because i havent come across much material dealing specifically with the mormon hell. reguardless, theyr a pretty ignorant and conservative bunch{as far as teachings go} .

i have heard about hell being seperation from god. but that is contradicted by god's omnipotent/omniscient nature , not to mention many other views/interpretations of the bible and the beleifs of the christian masses.

{really, rent you twisting facts a little too much by saying that all those groups' OFFICIAL stance is that hell is torment and NOT torture in any interpretation??

The problem is that Calvinism fails. So, ignore Calvinists.

It's a win-win situation.

I notice people tend to look at a soul as a obscure concept.

Either as a hazey mist like in the really old movies.

Or an obscure trascendant thing.

If the soul is some sortof "invisible energy field", then you'd be correct. It doesn't "die", only changes.

However, if we recognize the soul as an energy field, we recognize that we have less control over our lives then we'd like to think. We are suspetable to quantamn actions that occur all around us.

Even energy cannot survive anti-matter. And I'd believe any sortof intelligent energy field would invest in anti-matter as soon as possible. (If they could without destroying themselves anyway..)

I myself am not very "religious" in the traditional sense. I am a theistic Satanist. I believe in a God, I believe in good and evil, I believe in a heaven and a hell. After that though things are completely differant. I have no need to worry about your immortal soul, if all goes as planned, you will be suffering in hell, as either my or some arch-demon's servant.

The problem with most religions isn't that they believe in something that trascends human expectations or understanding. But that they believe humans deserve it. What entitles humans to salvation? What entitles humans to God's love? Such socialist banters have no place in my mind.

Humans are as worthless or valuable (depending on if you're a pessemist or optimist) as anything else on this planet. They might be more intelligent, they might think more highly of themself, but what posesses man to think they're important unto God/The Devil? If they have any relevance to such beings, it's clearly for thier own special interests or amusement.

you are assuming that both god and the devil are competely selfish beings then. however, if they posess the abilityt to even remotely "love" some one the way humans can, then your reasoning breaks down.

human beings have the ability to love others selflessly{how much they utilise it is another thing}. not only that, they have a need/desire to do so and it fullfils them when infact they are doing nothing selfish. if higher beings/our creators{beings like god and satan}, have that ability too, then they would love us without getting special interests or amusement out of the contract.

i personally am not a beleiver. but just pointing out that your reasoning seems flawed to me.

i wish there were physical proof of the afterlife. otherwise all claims to it are basically immaterial

Originally posted by leonheartmm
but i eloborated on the torment/torturse aspect of it didnt it. with god being omnipotent and omniscient, it means the same thing either way.

it is rather unorthodoxed. perhaps the theologians "you" meet are not representativbe of the wolrd because you are not meating them at random. perhaps they are giving you a more flowery interpretation of their actual beleifs{which often changes when in more extreme company- sumthing i have witnessed} .

most protestant groups have a very different official stance and an even more practical one as far as indoctrination of the following masses go.
im certain the catholics have conflicting views and more than one theoligian, not to mention that the threat of hell and punishment of unbeleivers is always a trademaerk teaching in mostly all catholic organisations/churches under its jurisdiction. mormons, i can not speak of, on this matter , because i havent come across much material dealing specifically with the mormon hell. reguardless, theyr a pretty ignorant and conservative bunch{as far as teachings go} .

i have heard about hell being seperation from god. but that is contradicted by god's omnipotent/omniscient nature , not to mention many other views/interpretations of the bible and the beleifs of the christian masses.

{really, rent you twisting facts a little too much by saying that all those groups' OFFICIAL stance is that hell is torment and NOT torture in any interpretation??

Good grief.

the POINT i was making was that the official written position is an overt projection. in reality many things are hidden and not shown to the world. and no they are not minor either. you put too much trust in them.

You are suggesting that they hide their doctrine?

Also, who says I trust them?

No one can say that there is or isn't an afterlife. Only when we die will we know for sure.

no they hide part of their doctrine to seems more acceptable to the people of this world.

That makes little sense really. And what doctrine do you think they hide?

that makes a lot of sense. specially in islam/christianity. first order of the day, apeal to the likeness of the masses. give them sumthing they lack. dont give a threatening impression and leave the things that are in conflict with their points of view and exxagerate those which can be interpreted to be in their interest. if you wanna gain followers, you have to apeal to them.

really nelli, dont be ignorant, why do you think islam is the fastest spreading relegion in the U.S? its because it exxagerates solutions for the major problems facing american society which they are tired of , to the extent that they wont consider the implications{opression and supression of women etc} of the path they are taking as long as it gets rid of their immidiete problems {rape etc}.

ive seen this countles times. it isnt silly at all. when provacation doesnt work due to lack of power, use tactics and stealth.

Why do you waste my time? Answer the question please.

What doctrine do you think they hide?

Unpublished scriptures?

Originally posted by Nellinator
Why do you waste my time? Answer the question please.

They hide the writings of Jesus... 😛

But, he never wrote anything. He should have.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
But, he never wrote anything. He should have.

But he was well educated and the son of god. He would have written everything down. 😕

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But he was well educated and the son of god. He would have written everything down. 😕