i never claimed to understand buddhism. in fact i didnt know SOD was a buddhist. however it seems sensible for the karmic cycle to be in play rather than a christian/jewish god. my idea of karma may be wrong, but in the general sense that actions reflect your next life seem...right to me. well more so than ne other religion i havge heard to date. however, no religion explains science in anyway that seems reasonable. ill be fine if i stop existing. nothing used to be such a hard concept for me. not ne more
Originally posted by chickenlover98
i never claimed to understand buddhism.
It was quite evident you did not understand Buddhism in the first place.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
in fact i didnt know SOD was a buddhist.
I am, although I do wrestle with some Buddhist teachings (Anatta for example, concept of no self- check out the debate:- http://hinduwebsite.com/buddhism/essays/notself.asp )
I also beleive in the Law of Attaction, which may coincide well with the Buddhist concept of Law of Causation, however, it also clashes with the Buddhist Noble Truth of Samudaya- that Desire and Attachment lead to suffering.
However, these contradictions do not cause me any personal stress.
At the same time, Buddhism and the The Law of Attraction (New Thought Movement) seem to agree on one thing: The mind is the most powerful thing, and if you can master your own mind, you can master your own life. No matter what.
That's a beautiful beleif, something I hold strong too.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
however it seems sensible for the karmic cycle to be in play rather than a christian/jewish god. my idea of karma may be wrong, but in the general sense that actions reflect your next life seem...right to me.
To me, Karma in terms of the Buddhist Law of Causation (cause and effect) makes absolute sense. It does not necessarily include "good and evil". The Hindu concept of Karma does, and it relates very much to Christian beleif about morality and justice/punishment, but Buddhist concept of Karma does not.
Karma is not black or white, according to Buddhism. It's not about being punished or rewarded. It's about cause and effect. The Nature of your mentality, words, and actions (your choices) will create your life experience- the series of cause and effect you will endure in your lifetime.
The good thing is, you can change your karma any time you wish. Any day, any time, you can change your life path. The trick is to stay on that path, but that requires mental discipline, which can be achieved through meditation and personal practice.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
well more so than ne other religion i havge heard to date. however, no religion explains science in anyway that seems reasonable. ill be fine if i stop existing. nothing used to be such a hard concept for me. not ne more
That's good for you. Some people cannot fathom not existing, in fact the thought of such a thing cheapens thier appreciation for life in the first place.
No one really knows. Atleast I don't think so.
But that's not the point. The point is we exist now in this life. We must make the best of it for ourselves and each other.
well summarized SOD. buddhism or hinduism seem more more likely to me, for some reason. the judeo religions are so stupid. their stories of fear and awe, with no real substance. but i would hate to think u get punished for your choices. you get punished enough in this life. no matter who you are(except maybe bill gates). it just seems cruel to punish peopl even more
Originally posted by chickenlover98
well summarized SOD. buddhism or hinduism seem more more likely to me, for some reason. the judeo religions are so stupid. their stories of fear and awe, with no real substance. but i would hate to think u get punished for your choices. you get punished enough in this life. no matter who you are(except maybe bill gates). it just seems cruel to punish peopl even more
Punishment is an artificial construct, and I don't think it exists in Nature. Innocent animals get hunted and killed every day in the wild, I don't think they were being "punished".
Punishment only comes from external forces; it is other people who punish us through words or actions, as they see fit. That isn't natural, but artificial.
Karma doesn't necessarily involve that. When we do something to hurt another person, we enact in negativity. The more you enact that kind of energy, the more you are involved in such negativity. If you don't change your behavior, you are going to recieve distrust, disloyalty, and disrespect from others.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
well summarized SOD. buddhism or hinduism seem more more likely to me, for some reason. the judeo religions are so stupid. their stories of fear and awe, with no real substance. but i would hate to think u get punished for your choices. you get punished enough in this life. no matter who you are(except maybe bill gates). it just seems cruel to punish peopl even more
You base your probability ratings for religions according to how they say you get punished? I'd be an atheist too if I thought that way.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
w/e. just sayin the eastern religions are way more believable
I used to think so too. From a scientific viewpoint though, they are all just as unbelievably impossible. Karma isn't any more likely then judgment day. Ask any physicist to prove either one of them and he'll just refer you to a psychiatrist.
Originally posted by Quark_666
You base your probability ratings for religions according to how they say you get punished? I'd be an atheist too if I thought that way.I used to think so too. From a scientific viewpoint though, they are all just as unbelievably impossible. Karma isn't any more likely then judgment day. Ask any physicist to prove either one of them and he'll just refer you to a psychiatrist.
well considering most of the bible is avoiding pain and suffering, of course my mind finds the simplest way to avoid it. not believing in that bullshit.and no. i base my religions believablility on what they say. i think it more likely that theres a cycle rather than the bullshit theory of a god who has just always existed, punishs ppl for not listenin to his BULLSHIT rules, and has the balls to torture you for eternity for disobeying a rule or 2? personally he can go **** himself especially if he is real. suffering solves NOTHING. how you can blindly believe in something so foolish and unbelievable is hilarious. he sounds like a drunk in a way. obey me or ill beat you. take your god. keep him. i dont want ne part
Originally posted by chickenlover98God doesn't torture you. You are the victim of common misconceptions.
well considering most of the bible is avoiding pain and suffering, of course my mind finds the simplest way to avoid it. not believing in that bullshit.and no. i base my religions believablility on what they say. i think it more likely that theres a cycle rather than the bullshit theory of a god who has just always existed, punishs ppl for not listenin to his BULLSHIT rules, and has the balls to torture you for eternity for disobeying a rule or 2? personally he can go **** himself especially if he is real. suffering solves NOTHING. how you can blindly believe in something so foolish and unbelievable is hilarious. he sounds like a drunk in a way. obey me or ill beat you. take your god. keep him. i dont want ne part
Which rules are "bullshit"?
Originally posted by AllianceI can easily accept other interpretations and can even think of a few that I disagree with but can understand and consider the possibility of. But, the assertion that God tortures us, or that there is any torture is the product of popular myth originating in the writings of Milton and Dante, NOT the Bible.
As you fail to accept valid interpretations that are not your own, contorting religion everywhich way. Microlesions become clearly evident.
Oh, the case for hell makes plenty of sense. I talking specifically about the torture part. It is relatively vague, as it is about heaven, but it odes say that hell is simply full of sad people really. The cause of the anguish is not elaborated on. A lot of people's beliefs on the matter are pulled from non-canonical sources that were popular at one time like the aforementioned. Ultimately, we don't know, so pretending we do is a bad idea imo.
Zeal can't comprehend?
*oh thats normal*
Originally posted by Nellinator
Oh, the case for hell makes plenty of sense. I talking specifically about the torture part. It is relatively vague, as it is about heaven, but it odes say that hell is simply full of sad people really. The cause of the anguish is not elaborated on. A lot of people's beliefs on the matter are pulled from non-canonical sources that were popular at one time like the aforementioned. Ultimately, we don't know, so pretending we do is a bad idea imo.
I agree, but a direct pat of torture is one logical solution. If we don't want to go to hell, there must be a reason why, something uncomfortable. If there is a large degree of discomfort, that could be construed as torture. If the Christian god is actually all powerful, he could stop it. Therefore, he could at least be intirectly responsible for torture, and directly too.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex NihiloNot that I know of. Just many of misconceptions seem to originate with Dante if that is what you are asking.
Someone actually suggested that hell was like Dante's fabrication?*Sighs.*
Originally posted by AllianceI think it is a problem of equating torment with torture. They are different although they are often associated. Obviously there is a reason for the suffering, I would suggest that it the after affect of judgment. Even the saved will suffer loss at judgment.
Zeal can't comprehend?*oh thats normal*
I agree, but a direct pat of torture is one logical solution. If we don't want to go to hell, there must be a reason why, something uncomfortable. If there is a large degree of discomfort, that could be construed as torture. If the Christian god is actually all powerful, he could stop it. Therefore, he could at least be intirectly responsible for torture, and directly too.
its true only so long as the origin of that torture was outside your self or your control.
however, considering god created everything including the hman and you are also omniscient, then infact, any torment suffered in hell is created by god and can not exist, if god does not allow it. therefore, it can be said to be torture imposed by god.
{ofcours, that is assuming that your unorthodxed interpretation is right to begin with}