The Concept of No Afterlife

Originally posted by Bardock42
Afterlife is not defined by Religion. I find it okay, when atheists believe themselves opposed to the definitions of God we have (through Religion, mostly). That they can't define themselves by some odd definition that we don't know but that could exist in one way or another, is what I find rather trivial. So, I found her post odd.

Ah if you put it that way, I see what you mean but to put it another way all she is saying is be open-minded and dont restrict yourself. I would have thought that was very good advice.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well yeah....but what I thought she was saying is that sometimes athiests have limited defintions of "it" because they define "it" in relation to religon. So for example god doesnt or the afterlife doesnt exist because it cant exist they way it has been described in the bible. Thats what I thiought she was saying and I dont see why thats nonsense.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, that is fact. Though, I don't see nothing wrong with that.

I'm glad Alfheim could simply for you what you found difficult to comprehend.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I'm glad Alfheim could simply for you what you found difficult to comprehend.

I am glad you didn't understand a word I said, nor how you spoke nonsense.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ah if you put it that way, I see what you mean but to put it another way all she is saying is be open-minded and dont restrict yourself. I would have thought that was very good advice.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
It is no secret, that many [b]Atheists beleive that when we die nothing happens. We simply no longer exist. There is no afterlife, what-so-ever. We just cease to be, and new things are born and they too will die with nothing happening afterwards.

I am not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. I do not consider myself "religious", even though I adhere to Buddhism and Theories on the Law of Attraction.

However, I beleive the Idea that Nothing happens after we Die to be JUST AS FALSE as the beleif in Heaven and Hell after death.

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I like this part.

besides the concept of an "afterlife" cannot be considered true when there is no evidence of souls, spirit or god. if there are no mass seeings of said god, then he is an idea. unless you believe in the karmic cycle, which was explained greatly in a deepak chopra book. the way he explains things they make sense. IMO

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
This in turns does not bring us close to any kind of truth whatsoever.

Originally posted by Alliance
Actually, eliminating one posibilty does bring us closer, even if the ultimate goal is unattainable. One step does not win the race, but you're shure as hell beating the guys at the starting line.

Why does it matter whose right or whose wrong ?

To me, Quality of Life matters more than the Truth.

BTW, I answered your statements before, you never got back to me on that.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Why does it matter whose right or whose wrong ?

because being correct matters. I can go around screaming that Bill Clinton killed Abraham Lincoln, that Islam is a hateful religion, or that all gays should be executed. False ideas can be dangerous. Ideas can become reality very quickly and end up hurting people.

Simply focusing on quality of life is a myopic self-indulgence that leads to dangerous mutations of individualism to the detrement of all others. We can't truely understand ourselves without the context of others.

besides, no one is interested in finding Truth, only truth.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
BTW, I answered your statements before, you never got back to me on that.

I know and I have read them, I'm simply too busy tonight to right out a full response. I'm sure you'll understand and be patient enough to give me time to adequately adress the post that you yourself took time to write.

Originally posted by Alliance
Actually, eliminating one posibilty does bring us closer, even if the ultimate goal is unattainable. One step does not win the race, but you're shure as hell beating the guys at the starting line.

why do you believe in the after life? ill tell you why. because the concept is too scary to believe you could just end. of course its scary, but with no proof, and i do mean proof, not what you think, i cant accept the afterlife. i need a materialization. why can you just believe something that ppl say? if someone said godzilla is terroring downtown la would you believe them? no of course not. same type of thing

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am glad you didn't understand a word I said, nor how you spoke nonsense.

How did she not understand what you said? How was she talking nonsense?

Originally posted by Bardock42

I chose to read what she actually said, instead of projecting my own believes into the crap.

How did I project my own beliefs into the crap?

Originally posted by chickenlover98
why do you believe in the after life? ill tell you why. because the concept is too scary to believe you could just end. of course its scary, but with no proof, and i do mean proof, not what you think, i cant accept the afterlife. i need a materialization. why can you just believe something that ppl say? if someone said godzilla is terroring downtown la would you believe them? no of course not. same type of thing

You are over simplifying it. I don't beleive in Heaven or Hell, it's too conventional an idea for me.

I beleive we continue existing, but in different form(s). Afterlife may even be the wrong word, because it implies that you come back either as another person or as yourself but in a different life.

After death, you may not even continue as a human being. Or even a living thing. You may continue as something else, but everything that we know which you consist of still continues to exist.

Nothing just "ends". Things constantly change, and I see Life and Death as no different from everything else that changes.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
You are over simplifying it. I don't beleive in Heaven or Hell, it's too conventional an idea for me.

I beleive we continue existing, but in different form(s). Afterlife may even be the wrong word, because it implies that you come back either as another person or as yourself but in a different life.

After death, you may not even continue as a human being. Or even a living thing. You may continue as something else, but everything that we know which you consist of still continues to exist.

Nothing just "ends". Things constantly change, and I see Life and Death as no different from everything else that changes.

the way i see it, life after death would be perhaps having a part of your soul and personality split into new children giving them similar qualities. thats as far as i can ever see it going

Originally posted by chickenlover98
why do you believe in the after life? ill tell you why. because the concept is too scary to believe you could just end. of course its scary, but with no proof, and i do mean proof, not what you think, i cant accept the afterlife. i need a materialization. why can you just believe something that ppl say? if someone said godzilla is terroring downtown la would you believe them? no of course not. same type of thing

Cause I feel like believing in an afterlife, that's why.

I don't think anything is reliable proof of anything else...physical or spiritual.

"Materialization" is reliable though, isn't it? Just ask Descartes... 😛

Originally posted by Quark_666
Cause I feel like believing in an afterlife, that's why.

I don't think anything is reliable proof of anything else...physical or spiritual.

"Materialization" is reliable though, isn't it? Just ask Descartes... 😛

what i meant, which i dont see why u couldnt discern this, is that a materilization of god or something otherworldly beheld by the masses, would go a long way to converting me. i want proof damn it. not "faith" this is a ploy. religion was used in the dark ages to forward the churchs will through "donations". how can u even trust the clergy after the sex scandal with the priests.

all i want is a reason a small one to believe. if there is none, then stfu. thats all

Originally posted by chickenlover98
the way i see it, life after death would be perhaps having a part of your soul and personality split into new children giving them similar qualities. thats as far as i can ever see it going

That is entirely possible, but remember, some people don't beleive in a "soul". Buddhists don't for example.

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Wiccans, and Native American pagans Do in fact beleive in the soul or spirit.

However, I think your intepretation is valid. Your children do compose of your DNA, and are genetic extensions of yourself. Ofcourse, they are too thier own person, but they cannot separate themselves from you genetically. No amount of plastic surgery will erase you from thier origin.

I'm hearing a lot of stories about people seeing and feeling spirits. Ofcourse I am a skeptic, but people who aren't even religious also swear they have seen, heard, or felt ghosts of some sort.

In fact, my neighbor has a son. He is very young, his name is Christopher.

When his family went to another house to search for a new home, Christopher was in the backyard. The parents weren't to interested in the new house, so they decided to get him and leave.

The little boy said he couldn't leave because he was sitting on "Micheal's" lap.

They were like "whose Micheal ?"

And Christopher told them that Micheal was the boy who died in a car accident. When the owners of the house heard that, they began crying. Michael is thier son who died long ago. They never told Christopher about him, and Chris' parents didn't even know Michael existed.

So how did Christopher see Michael ?

How did he know how Michael looked, how he died, or much less his name ?

Little Christopher, whose a little over two years old, also claims that he sees his grandmother in his room sometimes. His grandmother is dead. He tells us what she says to him with detail, and it's pretty freaky.

I don't think the little boy is lying about what he sees. He's kind of too young to make stuff up that is so detailed, dark, and violent.

And I highly doubt his parents are just trying to scare or impress us by "playing" along with his stories. I know them very well.

It just gave me something to think about. I have never seen a ghost or spirit myself, but that doesn't mean I am not open to the possibility of life after death.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
That is entirely possible, but remember, some people don't beleive in a "soul". Buddhists don't for example.

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Wiccans, and Native American pagans Do in fact beleive in the soul or spirit.

However, I think your intepretation is valid. Your children do compose of your DNA, and are genetic extensions of yourself. Ofcourse, they are too thier own person, but they cannot separate themselves from you genetically. No amount of plastic surgery will erase you from thier origin.

I'm hearing a lot of stories about people seeing and feeling spirits. Ofcourse I am a skeptic, but people who aren't even religious also swear they have seen, heard, or felt ghosts of some sort.

In fact, my neighbor has a son. He is very young, his name is Christopher.

When his family went to another house to search for a new home, Christopher was in the backyard. The parents weren't to interested in the new house, so they decided to get him and leave.

The little boy said he couldn't leave because he was sitting on "Micheal's" lap.

They were like "whose Micheal ?"

And Christopher told them that Micheal was the boy who died in a car accident. When the owners of the house heard that, they began crying. Michael is thier son who died long ago. They never told Christopher about him, and Chris' parents didn't even know Michael existed.

So how did Christopher see Michael ?

How did he know how Michael looked, how he died, or much less his name ?

Little Christopher, whose a little over two years old, also claims that he sees his grandmother in his room sometimes. His grandmother is dead. He tells us what she says to him with detail, and it's pretty freaky.

I don't think the little boy is lying about what he sees. He's kind of too young to make stuff up that is so detailed, dark, and violent.

And I highly doubt his parents are just trying to scare or impress us by "playing" along with his stories. I know them very well.

It just gave me something to think about. I have never seen a ghost or spirit myself, but that doesn't mean I am not open to the possibility of life after death.

although digi apparently hates him, deepak chopra has some experiences written about that are like that. read some of his books if you like that kinda thing. i dont deny the possibility that there could be something more its just its so ****in unlikely that i dont believe it. hell if i knew for sure there was a heaven id be a "better" person but no assurances= no better person. ghosts seem rediculus to me though

Originally posted by chickenlover98
although digi apparently hates him...

😂

I actually can't remember exactly what I said about Deepak. But no, I wouldn't want to go fishing with the man.

It's not always his ideas that I disagree with (usually though) but his methods for justifying them, which usually try to appear scientific, are mostly just hogwash. He relies on vague unrelated science (usually quantum mechanics, which is just complex enough that the average person can't see through him) that he tries to connect to the spiritual.

Empirical evidence for belief in an afterlife (or other lives in this universe) CAN exist, and he alludes to some of it in his work (Ian Stephenson's work, for example) but it's usually not his own and he takes spirituality way too far in an attempt to justify his own beliefs, very few of which have any rational foundation.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
😂

I actually can't remember exactly what I said about Deepak. But no, I wouldn't want to go fishing with the man.

It's not always his ideas that I disagree with (usually though) but his methods for justifying them, which usually try to appear scientific, are mostly just hogwash. He relies on vague unrelated science (usually quantum mechanics, which is just complex enough that the average person can't see through him) that he tries to connect to the spiritual.

Empirical evidence for belief in an afterlife (or other lives in this universe) CAN exist, and he alludes to some of it in his work (Ian Stephenson's work, for example) but it's usually not his own and he takes spirituality way too far in an attempt to justify his own beliefs, very few of which have any rational foundation.

regardless some the evidence he provides in life after death seems plausible. he justifies some of it, and most cannot be taken completely seriously. i like some of the stuff he uses. karma and the afterlife seem the most plausible to me for no particular reason. rather than a selfish god who is contradictory to everything he stands for

Originally posted by chickenlover98
regardless some the evidence he provides in life after death seems plausible. he justifies some of it, and most cannot be taken completely seriously. i like some of the stuff he uses. karma and the afterlife seem the most plausible to me for no particular reason. rather than a selfish god who is contradictory to everything he stands for

Would you mind giving me a few sources to some of the information he gives that is plausible? 😕