Originally posted by quanchi112
Against Thor? 😆 😆 😆 😆
Thanos did better against power gem Thor than the Surfer did with the watch and dr Strange. 🙂
I was talking about Tyrant you noob. ALso, THe watch and surfer jobbed to Thor so that thanos could look cooler. Haven't you noticed how that works? Get a clue.
IMO... even Thanos jobbed to Thor...
Originally posted by AvlonLoki? Loki got punked.
Loki, Drac, Dr. Strange, and Meph have all punked SS as well. Especially using magic.
Magic knife went through Surfer like butter.Galactus can kill Thanos or Surfer due to the fact that he's simply that much more powerful than either one. Thanos also used shields in his encounter..something I doubt SS did.
Thanos is versed somewhat in the mystic arts while SS isn't. Odin like you said, is a divine being. He's based in magic. Bad for SS...but easier for Thanos to deal with.
Drac? Let me ask you a question about that... did you read the comic, or did you see the scan where he slaps Surfer?
'Cause in that comic... Dracula does nothing to Surfer, and Surfer was being manipulated (when he was KO'ed, someone shot him with something so he could guide Surfer's movements)... his actions slowed, etc. He (Drac) was also running away the whole fight, and then attacked with a cheapshot, and asked for peace/no fighting.
Until I get an issue number on the Dr. Strange one... I can't comment. As I don't believe anything out of the Strange respect thread, after finding first hand many out of context scans.
Mephisto? Ya... that's a bad feat. 🙄
Hell, let's say that the Power Cosmic is Surfer's weakness as well, since Morg, Firelord, Galactus, have all KO'ed him. And Korvac has toyed with him... 🙄
How would that be any different?
And while Odin may not be on Galactus's level... he is still much more powerful than Surfer...
Ya, well, Galactus broke through the shields, and hit Thanos far harder than I've ever seen him hit Surfer...
Uh... huh...
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Anyway, like I said before... Odin's power blasts don't work as plotty as Strange, Meph, Loki, or even Drac's do. While Odin might be a magic based being... the other guys are sorcerers.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
IMO... even Thanos jobbed to Thor...Loki? Loki got punked.
Drac? Let me ask you a question about that... did you read the comic, or did you see the scan where he slaps Surfer?
'Cause in that comic... Dracula does nothing to Surfer, and Surfer was being manipulated (when he was KO'ed, someone shot him with something so he could guide Surfer's movements)... his actions slowed, etc. He (Drac) was also running away the whole fight, and then attacked with a cheapshot, and asked for peace/no fighting.Until I get an issue number on the Dr. Strange one... I can't comment. As I don't believe anything out of the Strange respect thread, after finding first hand many out of context scans.
Mephisto? Ya... that's a bad feat. 🙄
Hell, let's say that the Power Cosmic is Surfer's weakness as well, since Morg, Firelord, Galactus, have all KO'ed him. And Korvac has toyed with him... 🙄
How would that be any different?And while Odin may not be on Galactus's level... he is still much more powerful than Surfer...
Ya, well, Galactus broke through the shields, and hit Thanos far harder than I've ever seen him hit Surfer...
Uh... huh...
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Anyway, like I said before... Odin's power blasts don't work as plotty as Strange, Meph, Loki, or even Drac's do. While Odin might be a magic based being... the other guys are sorcerers.
Yes, that old Marvel two in one annual may have been awful, but, seeing Korvac bury the Surfer and Hyperion own Wonderman made it worth reading.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That was the Avengers Annual #16... wasn't it?I thought it was pretty good though. Meh.
Was it, it's years since I read it. The one with the Grandmaster and the Legion of the Dead. It suddenly amped Wonderman to DC levels. He survives being driven through a planet at superspeed.
Then Hyperion puts him in a star to kill him.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
IMO... even Thanos jobbed to Thor...Loki? Loki got punked.
Drac? Let me ask you a question about that... did you read the comic, or did you see the scan where he slaps Surfer?
'Cause in that comic... Dracula does nothing to Surfer, and Surfer was being manipulated (when he was KO'ed, someone shot him with something so he could guide Surfer's movements)... his actions slowed, etc. He (Drac) was also running away the whole fight, and then attacked with a cheapshot, and asked for peace/no fighting.Until I get an issue number on the Dr. Strange one... I can't comment. As I don't believe anything out of the Strange respect thread, after finding first hand many out of context scans.
Mephisto? Ya... that's a bad feat. 🙄
Hell, let's say that the Power Cosmic is Surfer's weakness as well, since Morg, Firelord, Galactus, have all KO'ed him. And Korvac has toyed with him... 🙄
How would that be any different?And while Odin may not be on Galactus's level... he is still much more powerful than Surfer...
Ya, well, Galactus broke through the shields, and hit Thanos far harder than I've ever seen him hit Surfer...
Uh... huh...
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Anyway, like I said before... Odin's power blasts don't work as plotty as Strange, Meph, Loki, or even Drac's do. While Odin might be a magic based being... the other guys are sorcerers.
You brought up these characters who are magic based.
Magic knife cut through SS like butter.
Odin is a magic based character...
Thanos is versed in magic arts to an extent...SS is not. SS has no special defense vs Magic.
Black hole still had more of an effect on Thanos than SS, regardless of how you want to word it.
Originally posted by Dick GraysonYa... last I checked.
Was it, it's years since I read it. The one with the Grandmaster and the Legion of the Dead. He suddenly amped Wonderman to DC levels. He survives being driven through a planet at superspeed.
The whole '5 bombs, your universe goes kaboom' issue.
It looked more like Hyperion got amped...
Originally posted by AvlonI only brought up Loki, and Meph.
You brought up these characters who are magic based.
Magic knife cut through SS like butter.Odin is a magic based character...
Thanos is versed in magic arts to an extent...SS is not. SS has no special defense vs Magic.
Black hole still had more of an effect on Thanos than SS, regardless of how you want to word it.
Magic defies the laws of nature, but that doesn't mean it's a weakness. Plus, did this magic knife happen to be able to cut through anything?
Odin is a magic based being... and magic isn't Surfer's weakness... and where did Thanos have a magic weakness? Because he studied it? Eh? When did that give someone a magic resistance? Hell, in most of the magic battles I've seen, it affects based on durability... but that's just me...
Plus, Odin's blasts might as well be cosmic blasts...
Sure... if you ignore context. I've already stated the context, so...
Tyrant has less of an effect on Thanos than Surfer. Galactus had less of an effect on Thanos than Surfer. Jack of Hearts had less of an effect on Thanos than on Surfer.
As I said before... Surfer being a Power Cosmic being should give him some sort of an immunity, using your logic... Thanos isn't Power Cosmic powered.
It's just weird... isn't it?
Originally posted by Dick GraysonThat's only because of his speed. Plus, Hype only delivered like two punches.
Remember when he first fought Thor and until Thor shrunk him, he took him apart. He was always supposed to be Superman as you well know.
Meh.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I only brought up Loki, and Meph.
You said Loki punked him, and that's simply not true. You brought up an out of context Drac fight. You brought up Strange... who by the way, has demolished high level magic beings.
So? Morg's [b]cosmic ax cut through his board like butter. Unilord's cosmic power turned Surfer into bubbles.Magic defies the laws of nature, but that doesn't mean it's a weakness. Plus, did this magic knife happen to be able to cut through anything?
Odin is a magic based being... and magic isn't Surfer's weakness... and where did Thanos have a magic weakness? Because he studied it? Eh? When did that give someone a magic resistance? Hell, in most of the magic battles I've seen, it affects based on durability... but that's just me...
Plus, Odin's blasts might as well be cosmic blasts...Sure... if you ignore context. I've already stated the context, so...
Tyrant has less of an effect on Thanos than Surfer. Galactus had less of an effect on Thanos than Surfer. Jack of Hearts had less of an effect on Thanos than on Surfer.
As I said before... Surfer being a Power Cosmic being should give him some sort of an immunity, using your logic... Thanos isn't Power Cosmic powered.
It's just weird... isn't it? [/B]
Wrong. For one, I never said that Thanos was weak to magic. Second..Strange did take out SS with magic, third..the magic knife cut through SS like butter.
What exactly is so out of context with Drac...Surfer won, but a magic being still gave him a hard time.
Where did it say that Odin used cosmic energy? While Thanos doesn't use PC, he's still a cosmic being...Galactus is simply far higher in the heiharchy than SS and Thanos.
Morg's ax has affected SS and Thanos wasn't exactly immune to it either. It's a funny that you are trying to find a counterpoint where there is none.
Nothing was ever said about durability to anything BUT magic.
Odin is a magic being. SS is less durable to magic than Thanos.
Play around with words all you like Bran. It's that simple.
Originally posted by AvlonOdin is simply more powerful than the Surfer and magic has nothing to do with it.
Wrong. For one, I never said that Thanos was weak to magic. Second..Strange did take out SS with magic, third..the magic knife cut through SS like butter.What exactly is so out of context with Drac...Surfer won, but a magic being still gave him a hard time.
Where did it say that Odin used cosmic energy? While Thanos doesn't use PC, he's still a cosmic being...Galactus is simply far higher in the heiharchy than SS and Thanos.
Morg's ax has affected SS and Thanos wasn't exactly immune to it either. It's a funny that you are trying to find a counterpoint where there is none.
Nothing was ever said about durability to anything BUT magic.
Odin is a magic being. SS is less durable to magic than Thanos.
Play around with words all you like Bran. It's that simple.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Surfer is weak to magic.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Tell that to Karnilla(Queen of the Norn's and a powerful Magic User)...
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/628/thor19304qj1.jpg
So now Her elemental powers are magical? Even if they were magic based, that isn't MAGIC. Next.
Originally posted by AvlonI meant magic resistance.. 🙄
Wrong. For one, I never said that Thanos was weak to magic.
Originally posted by AvlonLike I said about the Strange fight... until I get the issues, I can't comment. So, I might as well let it slide. However, not without giving context on how Strange's magic has beaten universal magic reality warpers/magicians. 🙂
Second..Strange did take out SS with magic, third..the magic knife cut through SS like butter.What exactly is so out of context with Drac...Surfer won, but a magic being still gave him a hard time.
Magic knife... spooky. You know what I find funny... Valkyrie knife is magical.
http://www.immortalthor.net/item-dragonfang.html
Now, what we're going to do here, is take this sword, add it to V's hands. Next, we are going to have her swing at Surfer. Now, of course, we see what happens:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/TheOrder1-22.jpg
To me, it looks like it bounced off. Of course, it's debatable, and I know you're the one to be on the apposing side.
However, it shows in the 'air swing' if you will, a sort of contact mark right in front of Surfer. Meh.
Of course... it doesn't really matter either way.
Umm, again you ignore. Surfer was slowed down in the Drac fight, and was being manipulated by another being. Drac was turning into mists, and throwing rats at Surfer... 😐
Hell, even Drac comment on how bad Surfer was doing.
Originally posted by AvlonHe doesn't, but he might as well. His attacks aren't 'sorceries' if you will.
Where did it say that Odin used cosmic energy? While Thanos doesn't use PC, he's still a cosmic being...Galactus is simply far higher in the heiharchy than SS and Thanos.Morg's ax has affected SS and Thanos wasn't exactly immune to it either. It's a funny that you are trying to find a counterpoint where there is none.
Nothing was ever said about durability to anything BUT magic.
Odin is a magic being. SS is less durable to magic than Thanos.
Play around with words all you like Bran. It's that simple.
Galactus is... but what about Jack of Hearts, or Tyrant?
However, Morg's ax is the Power Cosmic. Surfer's power is the power Cosmic... anything Surfer does should be immune to the Power Cosmic following your logic... built up resistance. 🙄
Can you point out where Thanos was cut by the ax? I mean, I know he blocked it, but that's hardly enough to say it's a viable way to beat him.
What?
Based on? What exactly do you base SS being less durable to magic than Thanos? Because Thanos practiced in the dark occults? Hell something I thought was cute, Surfer has a bigger magic resistance than Strange. Allow me to explain:
Strange gets beat by Loki. Loki gets beat by Surfer... ZOMG!
Strange is one of the greatest magic users that just sit around. And using this 'magic resistance' approach again... anything that affects Surfer barely... should bounce off of Strange.
Apparently Surfer has been dabbling in the dark arts as well. 🙄
Hell, Surfer was able to synthesize something he's weak against (Odin power)...
I know the only explantion for these sort of continuity benders is if Surfer built up an immunity... dropped it... built it up again over the years. ermm
Come on. You're saying Surfer is weak to magic based on less than a finger count of occurrences where he went down to someone who happened to be magic based (and ignoring all the times he resisted or stood up to magic beings)? I've already explained the problem in this logic... as Surfer has went down to more 'cosmic' beings than he has to magic based attacks.
And trying to downplay Thanos's Odin feat compared to Surfer, by trying to make up some sort of magic weakness?
Well... I guess that's your opinion...
OK. 🙂
