Thanos Vs. Superboy prime

Originally posted by darthgoober
OMG Karnilla IS magic and I'm pretty sure she referenced her magical power SOMEWHERE in the book where she blasted Surfer. Next...

This isnt even that hard to figure out. Surfer was just overwhelmed by Odin and magic had nothing to do with it. Thor should be able to beat the Surfer all day then if Avlons theory were true. But most give it to the Surfer becuz Surfer isnt weak to magic and its never been explianed as that. Sure he can lose to a more powerful being that is magical but hes losing becuz Its a More Powerful Being and thats all.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
She used elemental powers on surfer. Period. Thor's lightning is magic based. Storm's is natural. when they hit, they do the same thing. Unless the scan says the attack is magical, as is the case with CM's magical fist hitting superman, then I fail to see how one can just say, she attacked him with a magical attack and it didn't phase him.

I think its been pretty much confirmed somewhere that SS is vulnerable to magic, and like I said the only reason Thanos didnt die is cause Odin was taking it easy on him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And the exact same argument can be made for Odin one shotting Surfer. So where's the scan that it's specifically mentioned that Odin's blast against Surfer was a magical attack?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I think its been pretty much confirmed somewhere that SS is vulnerable to magic

If anyone finds this, I will gladly concede the case about Surfer being weak to magic. I'll give the props to Galen though, as he's the one who said that Surfer has been confirmed to be weak to magic, and everyone else speculated to prove it.
🙂

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I think its been pretty much confirmed somewhere that SS is vulnerable to magic, and like I said the only reason Thanos didnt die is cause Odin was taking it easy on him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Youve destroyed another of nvers weak theories.

Not really. Odin is a being of magic. It's not a far cry to say that his blast was made of magic energies. It's actually quite logical.

SS being weak to magic? Ehhhhh, I dunno. I would say that it hurts him more than other stuff, because PC doesn't protect against it that well, much like everything else magic is used against. But outright weak? Haven't seen it.

Thanos certainly has more resistance to magic though. He does dabble in the dark arts.

But it's not enough to take out SMP.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Not really. Odin is a being of magic. It's not a far cry to say that his blast was made of magic energies. It's actually quite logical.

SS being weak to magic? Ehhhhh, I dunno. I would say that it hurts him more than other stuff, because PC doesn't protect against it that well, much like everything else magic is used against. But outright weak? Haven't seen it.

Thanos certainly has more resistance to magic though. He does dabble in the dark arts.

But it's not enough to take out SMP.

Pc can hurt another pc user. There goes your they are weak to magic theory when pc can hurt someone who has pc. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Point is Odin is far more powerful than the Surfer. His blast was powerful and its a whacko theory to say Surfer is weak to magic becuz Odin oneshotted him.

Pc can hurt another pc user. There goes your they are weak to magic theory when pc can hurt someone who has pc. 🙂

I was NOT saying that Surfer is weak to magic. I'm saying that magic gets around his defenses in a way that other types of attacks do not. And that it's a common ability to magic based attacks.

And your 2nd paragraph makes no sense and is out of context of what I said. 👇

I honestly don't understand how people can use Dr. Strange, the magic knife, and Odin as proof of Surfer's "weakness" to magic. Think about it...

1. Dr. Strange has taken out ALL kinds of beings with Magic before. Does that mean that guys like Dormannu, Baron Mordo, and Mephisto are actually WEAK against Magic or just that they CAN be hurt/beaten by Magic?

2. Yes the magic knife cut Surfer, but that particular knife belonged to Nightmare(you know, the Dr. Strange villain) AND the encounter took ace in Nightmare's own realm(were he's damn near omnipotent) unless I'm not mistaken. What's more, just because you get hurt by a magical weapon, it doesn't mean that you have a weakness to magic. Otherwise it means that guys like Loki(who's been knocked out by Thor's hammer) have a "weakness" to magic also.

3. IT'S FREAKIN ODIN! Odin's powerful enough that you don't HAVE to be weak against magic for him to take you out with ease. That's like saying that Wonder Woman has a weakness to physical attacks, just because she's been knocked out by stronger guys like Superman...

Originally posted by darthgoober
I honestly don't understand how people can use Dr. Strange, the magic knife, and Odin as proof of Surfer's "weakness" to magic. Think about it...

1. Dr. Strange has taken out ALL kinds of beings with Magic before. Does that mean that guys like Dormannu, Baron Mordo, and Mephisto are actually WEAK against Magic or just that they CAN be hurt/beaten by Magic?

2. Yes the magic knife cut Surfer, but that particular knife belonged to Nightmare(you know, the Dr. Strange villain) AND the encounter took ace in Nightmare's own realm(were he's damn near omnipotent) unless I'm not mistaken. What's more, just because you get hurt by a magical weapon, it doesn't mean that you have a weakness to magic. Otherwise it means that guys like Loki(who's been knocked out by Thor's hammer) have a "weakness" to magic also.

3. IT'S FREAKIN ODIN! Odin's powerful enough that you don't HAVE to be weak against magic for him to take you out with ease. That's like saying that Wonder Woman has a weakness to physical attacks, just because she's been knocked out by stronger guys like Superman...

Cept you know, WW hasn't been knocked out by Stronger Guys Like superman in an actual Fight. That example doesn't work.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Cept you know, WW hasn't been knocked out by Stronger Guys Like superman in an actual Fight. That example doesn't work.

Originally posted by darthgoober
WW's never been knocked out by someone stronger?

Not someone like superman. Not in one punch like Odin knocked out Surfer in one blast. 😉

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I meant magic resistance.. 🙄

Like I said about the Strange fight... until I get the issues, I can't comment. So, I might as well let it slide. However, not without giving context on how Strange's magic has beaten universal magic reality warpers/magicians. 🙂
Dormammu is a very powerful magician. Strange has beaten him.
Shuma Gorath created a planet in his fight with Strange... Strange beat him.
Baron Mordo, Dracula, Lucifer, etc, have lost to him as well.
How is it bad to lose to Strange, and how does it prove his 'magic resistance' is low to lose to him?
All of the guys I mentioned, following your logic [b]will have greater magic resistance than Surfer. They've all fallen to him at one point or another. So, how would this prove that Surfer is weak to magic?

Magic knife... spooky. You know what I find funny... Valkyrie knife is magical.
http://www.immortalthor.net/item-dragonfang.html
Now, what we're going to do here, is take this sword, add it to V's hands. Next, we are going to have her swing at Surfer. Now, of course, we see what happens:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/TheOrder1-22.jpg

To me, it looks like it bounced off. Of course, it's debatable, and I know you're the one to be on the apposing side.
However, it shows in the 'air swing' if you will, a sort of contact mark right in front of Surfer. Meh.
Of course... it doesn't really matter either way.

Umm, again you ignore. Surfer was slowed down in the Drac fight, and was being manipulated by another being. Drac was turning into mists, and throwing rats at Surfer... 😐
Hell, even Drac comment on how bad Surfer was doing.

He doesn't, but he might as well. His attacks aren't 'sorceries' if you will.

Galactus is... but what about Jack of Hearts, or Tyrant?

However, Morg's ax is the Power Cosmic. Surfer's power is the power Cosmic... anything Surfer does should be immune to the Power Cosmic following your logic... built up resistance. 🙄

Can you point out where Thanos was cut by the ax? I mean, I know he blocked it, but that's hardly enough to say it's a viable way to beat him.

What?

Based on? What exactly do you base SS being less durable to magic than Thanos? Because Thanos practiced in the dark occults? Hell something I thought was cute, Surfer has a bigger magic resistance than Strange. Allow me to explain:
Strange gets beat by Loki. Loki gets beat by Surfer... ZOMG!
Strange is one of the greatest magic users that just sit around. And using this 'magic resistance' approach again... anything that affects Surfer barely... should bounce off of Strange.

Apparently Surfer has been dabbling in the dark arts as well. 🙄
Hell, Surfer was able to synthesize something he's weak against (Odin power)...
I know the only explantion for these sort of continuity benders is if Surfer built up an immunity... dropped it... built it up again over the years. ermm

Come on. You're saying Surfer is weak to magic based on less than a finger count of occurrences where he went down to someone who happened to be magic based (and ignoring all the times he resisted or stood up to magic beings)? I've already explained the problem in this logic... as Surfer has went down to more 'cosmic' beings than he has to magic based attacks.
And trying to downplay Thanos's Odin feat compared to Surfer, by trying to make up some sort of magic weakness?
Well... I guess that's your opinion...

OK. 🙂 [/B]

Well, someone got all crazy here to type a wall of text. 😆

Blow it out of context all you want.

In the meanwhile, since we're going to play games.... I guess Odin's blast could have been pistachio pudding based....since you know...it's fair game to what it was.

ZMG!! Surfer got 1 shotted by a pistachio pudding blast from teh Odinz!!!

Strangely enough, a drop of Superman's blood cracked WW's magical blade..guess he has no weakness to magic either. 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Not someone like superman. Not in one punch like Odin knocked out Surfer in one blast. 😉

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Cept you know, WW hasn't been knocked out by Stronger Guys Like superman in an actual Fight. That example doesn't work. [/B]

But if you'd like a different example, it's like saying that the Infinity Man can easily be beaten via BFR, since Darkseid was able to do it 😉 .

Originally posted by Avlon
Well, someone got all crazy here to type a wall of text. 😆

Blow it out of context all you want.

In the meanwhile, since we're going to play games.... I guess Odin's blast could have been pistachio pudding based....since you know...it's fair game to what it was.

ZMG!! Surfer got 1 shotted by a pistachio pudding blast from teh Odinz!!!

Strangely enough, a drop of Superman's blood cracked WW's magical blade..guess he has no weakness to magic either. 🙂

As for the Superman comment... Superman didn't come directly in contact with the blade in the scene where he threw his blood.
That's like saying Superman throwing a brick at kryptonite makes him immune to it... or hell, that's like saying Superman throwing his arm (if it detached somehow) at kryptonite and breaking it, makes him immune to it.

I don't even know what brought that blood comment up though...

Originally posted by darthgoober
That's not what either of us said now is it...

And yes she HAS been knocked out by Superman. She was unconscious the entire trip from the Sun back to Earth's atmosphere.

But if you'd like a different example, it's like saying that the Infinity Man can easily be beaten via BFR, since Darkseid was able to do it 😉 .

Oh I'm sorry, You thought that that was an actual fight? Since you know, she was trying to free him from mind control, and she was holding back becuz she knew this. And he wasn't at all sun amped. Yup, your right. She was knocked out. But not in an actual fight.

Originally posted by Avlon
Well, someone got all crazy here to type a wall of text. 😆

Blow it out of context all you want.

In the meanwhile, since we're going to play games.... I guess Odin's blast could have been pistachio pudding based....since you know...it's fair game to what it was.

ZMG!! Surfer got 1 shotted by a pistachio pudding blast from teh Odinz!!!

Strangely enough, a drop of Superman's blood cracked WW's magical blade..guess he has no weakness to magic either. 🙂

Since when was that blade that she had in that fight magic? The only magical sword I know that she carries was designed by Hephestius. And That one is very distinctive in design.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Oh I'm sorry, You thought that that was an actual fight? Since you know, she was trying to free him from mind control, and she was holding back becuz she knew this. And he wasn't at all sun amped. Yup, your right. She was knocked out. But not in an actual fight.

Oh yeah and...

Originally posted by darthgoober
But if you'd like a different example, it's like saying that the Infinity Man can easily be beaten via BFR, since Darkseid was able to do it 😉 .