Originally posted by Soljer
And you're welcome to have that opinion.The majority of fans that regularly post, here, or on several other boards will disagree with you.
But that makes you no less welcome to have that opinion.
Said opinion doesn't really deserve it's own thread, however....
Let's think about this, what is the Surfers top feat?
What is Supermans. Power has a specific scientific meaning. I would ask you has the Surfer ever displayed the physical ability to move something the size of the Solar system like Maggeddon?
Originally posted by super pr*xy
what i don't like about superman's powers is that they're inconsistent. on moment he's flying in space in a space suit, next thing you know he's throwinf somebody into the sun with a battle torn costume...
Mongul taught him how to survive in space. He has increased in power a great deal since then.
Originally posted by super pr*xy
what i don't like about superman's powers is that they're inconsistent. on moment he's flying in space in a space suit, next thing you know he's throwinf somebody into the sun with a battle torn costume...
Only if you're reading a comic published in 2005 right after reading a comic published in 1992.
Superman hasn't used a spacesuit in years. 😬
Originally posted by Zebedee
Let's think about this, what is the Surfers top feat?What is Supermans. Power has a specific scientific meaning. I would ask you has the Surfer ever displayed the physical ability to move something the size of the Solar system like Maggeddon?
Superman didn't lift or push maggeddon. He turned the milliwheels. There is no indication of how hard such a feat would be besides "HARD."
Has Superman ever demonstrated enough power to 'accidently' create a blackhole?
Originally posted by Soljer
Superman didn't lift or push maggeddon. He turned the milliwheels. There is no indication of how hard such a feat would be besides "HARD."Has Superman ever demonstrated enough power to 'accidently' create a blackhole?
Yes he turned the Millwheels of something the size of the solar system. That didn't look a very big blackhole. Which a know sounds silly when talking about infinite mass but..... It's comics and size is everything. Size of the Solar System>small black hole.
Originally posted by Zebedee
Yes he turned the Millwheels of something the size of the solar system. That didn't look a very big blackhole. Which a know sounds silly when talking about infinite mass but..... It's comics and size is everything. Size of the Solar System>small black hole.
But there is no indication of how hard it is to turn the milliwheels.
😐. You're totally ignoring that point, and just GUESSING at it.
I can hit the accelerator in my car, but that doesn't mean I could lift the car over my head, now does it? 😬.
Originally posted by Soljernot really we know it was a geared system and given the size of the object this geared system was moving we must assume the friction alone was infinite and incalculable. This is before we get past the concept that Superman was overcoming Friction and Inertia to move said Mill wheels.
But there is no indication of how hard it is to turn the milliwheels.😐. You're totally ignoring that point, and just GUESSING at it.
I can hit the accelerator in my car, but that doesn't mean I could lift the car over my head, now does it? 😬.
Originally posted by Soljer
No, obviously the friction was not infinite.😐.
Actually in the same way that all calculations become infinite when dealing with a singularity like a black hole. So would the calculations for friction of a geared system large enough to move something the size of a solar system.
Originally posted by Zebedee
Actually in the same way that all calculations become infinite when dealing with a singularity like a black hole. So would the calculations for friction of a geared system large enough to move something the size of a solar system.
No....they...really wouldn't.
I'm unsure of how to explain this. The calculations with a black hole HAVE a singularity, a 'limit,' an asymptote.
The calculations for friction are not similarly inclined.
Originally posted by Soljer
No....they...really wouldn't.I'm unsure of how to explain this. The calculations with a black hole HAVE a singularity, a 'limit,' an asymptote.
The calculations for friction are not similarly inclined.
Actually no, the calculations for a Singualarity are infinite in terms of it's density you can have a single atom in mass but infinite density. That's the principle of a singularity. It means calculations on black holes power usage is next to impossible. As for Friction the Mass of a solid object the size of the Solar System would to all intensive purposes be infinite. It would actually bow space time around it. Whilst not infinitely dense itself it's mass would actually be pulling against the Universes very fabric. This would mean that it would be pulling against the infinite and warping space. To move such an object with a geared system would require an equal level of force. The friction like every other calculation would be infinite.
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...No, in fact, it wouldn't.
I fail to see what's so hard to understand here.
A solar system has a measurable mass. There are measurable constants in the problem. Everything CAN be worked through.
As far as human principles are concerned, the things may be 'effectively' infinite, but that does NOT make them absolutely so.
A singularity, on the other hand, IS absolutely infinite, rather than simply effectively so. 😬.
Originally posted by Soljer
...No, in fact, it wouldn't.I fail to see what's so hard to understand here.
A solar system has a measurable mass. There are measurable constants in the problem. Everything CAN be worked through.
As far as human principles are concerned, the things may be 'effectively' infinite, but that does NOT make them absolutely so.
A singularity, on the other hand, IS absolutely infinite, rather than simply effectively so. 😬.
A singularity is only infinite in terms of density and not mass.
The planets in a solar system have measurable mass, however a solid object the size of a solar sytem whilst also having measurable mass would be so massive that like a black hole it would warp space. Now where a blackhole has infinite density the Mageddon device would not, however it would be so massive that it would Warp Space/time itself to an infinite degree. The gravity well it would be pulling against would indeed be infinite. Therefore to move it would require infinite power. Because you would be pulling against the Mass of the Universe itself.
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Originally posted by Zebedee
Yes he turned the Millwheels of something the size of the solar system. That didn't look a very big blackhole. Which a know sounds silly when talking about infinite mass but..... It's comics and size is everything. Size of the Solar System>small black hole.
Originally posted by Soljer
You're making this supposition.Prove it. 😐.
I do not need to, we know that giant stars actually can make black holes, objects of infinite density orbit them as they have greater mass. At the same time said black hole will constantly be pulling the very star stuff from the star. We also know that heat can and does move against the gravity gradiant of a black hole down a thermal gradient back into cold space. We do know larger objects than the than the Solar system exist. However these are gaseous and have a far lower density than a solid like Mageddon.
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