I think Superman is more powerful than the Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Zebedee
I do not need to, we know that giant stars actually can make black holes, objects of infinite density orbit them as they have greater mass. At the same time said black hole will constantly be pulling the very star stuff from the star. We also know that heat can and does move against the gravity gradiant of a black hole down a thermal gradient back into cold space. We do know larger objects than the than the Solar system exist. However these are gaseous and have a far lower density than a solid like Mageddon.

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Some of the things you're asserting aren't known, however.

You're claiming that an object of unknown density, unknown mass, and unknown (but comparable to Solar System) volume will certainly, and absolutely warp space time to an infinite degree.

There is no evidence provided in any comic or scientific paper that I have read to support this conclusion, hence I appeal to the one that made the claim to begin with; prove it.

Originally posted by Soljer
Some of the things you're asserting aren't known, however.

You're claiming that an object of unknown density, unknown mass, and unknown (but comparable to Solar System) volume will certainly, and absolutely warp space time to an infinite degree.

There is no evidence provided in any comic or scientific paper that I have read to support this conclusion, hence I appeal to the one that made the claim to begin with; prove it.

I'm claiming any solid object the size of a solar system would yes. Unless you claim Mageddon was not a solid object. It seemed solid when anyone touched it. No scientific paper has been written on this? I would doubt they have as the only objects Solar system size are gaseous. It was certainly a solid object when Superman was trapped inside it.

I never said that it didn't appear solid.

I said of unknown density, unknown mass, and unknown volume. All of which are true, unless your comic had a page that mine did not.

So, I beseech you one last time, and sincerely hope to see an actual response this time, rather than an evasive one; prove your original conclusion, based on the premises we know to be true.

Originally posted by Soljer
I never said that it didn't appear solid.

I said of unknown density, unknown mass, and unknown volume. All of which are true, unless your comic had a page that mine did not.

So, I beseech you one last time, and sincerely hope to see an actual response this time, rather than an evasive one; prove your original conclusion, based on the premises we know to be true.

It's Volume is not unknown it's that of the Solar system. Superman was able to push against it so it's density as not to break under the power of superman must be extremely high. Objects with a high density have a high mass. Therefore giant volume + high density +high mass = warped space through giant gravity well.

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Originally posted by Zebedee
It's Volume is not unknown it's that of the Solar system. Superman was able to push against it so it's density as not to break under the power of superman must be extremely high. Objects with a high density have a high mass. Therefore giant colume + high density +high mass = warped space through giant gravity well.

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It's volume IS unknown. It is simply known to be large - 'that of a solar system' is not an absolute definition, but a range. There are larger and smaller solar systems.

Also; the fact that someone was able to push against it is not indicative of it's density. If density were required for durability in comics, Superman would have to weigh several billion tons.

Again, I ask you, prove your original conclusion with the premises we know to be true. This will be the last time I make this request. If it remains unfulfilled, well, you'll simply be arguing an unsubstantiated claim.

In which case, the giant purple bunny rabbit in the sky will see unfavorably upon you, and upon Superman, assuring that Superman's power output will never be greater than that of the Silver Surfer's. Prove it? I need not - it seems unsubstantiated claims are the special of the day.

Originally posted by Soljer
It's volume IS unknown. It is simply known to be large - 'that of a solar system' is not an absolute definition, but a range. There are larger and smaller solar systems.

The size of "the" Solar System silly 🙂

Originally posted by Soljer
Also; the fact that someone was able to push against it is not indicative of it's density. If density were required for durability in comics, Superman would have to weigh several billion tons.

No because Supermans power durability comes from a forcefield. The fact the chains were broken with effort indicates that they were normal solids albeit very strong and therefore dense and therefore massive.

Originally posted by Soljer

Again, I ask you, prove your original conclusion with the premises we know to be true. This will be the last time I make this request. If it remains unfulfilled, well, you'll simply be arguing an unsubstantiated claim.

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Originally posted by Zebedee
It's Volume is not unknown it's that of the Solar system. Superman was able to push against it so it's density as not to break under the power of superman must be extremely high. Objects with a high density have a high mass. Therefore giant volume + high density +high mass = warped space through giant gravity well.

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Originally posted by Soljer

In which case, the giant purple bunny rabbit in the sky will see unfavorably upon you, and upon Superman, assuring that Superman's power output will never be greater than that of the Silver Surfer's. Prove it? I need not - it seems unsubstantiated claims are the special of the day.

Not unsubstantiated, merely ones you choose not to admit have a great deal of evidence to support.

Concession accepted.

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Originally posted by Zebedee

Concession submitted.

As they say;

Kthxbai.

You've still proven absolutely nothing, and have not offered up a shred of evidence as to Superman exhibiting an 'infinite' level of strength.

Keep using it if you like, but you're using a conclusion created via an invalid, illogical, and completely incorrect argument.

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Originally posted by Soljer
As they say;

Kthxbai.

You've still proven absolutely nothing, and have not offered up a shred of evidence as to Superman exhibiting an 'infinite' level of strength.

Keep using it if you like, but you're using a conclusion created via an invalid, illogical, and completely incorrect argument.

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Yup you have yet to show where it is illogical that a solid the size of our solar system with a density great enough to withstand Superman pushing against it would not have a mass large enough to create a gravity well that would warp space.

Thanks for the input.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Zebedee

Concession submitted.

Burden of proof.

You claim it, you prove it. Adios.

Originally posted by Soljer
Burden of proof.

You claim it, you prove it. Adios.

Which I backed up.

I'll take that as no you can't.

Auvoir.

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Dude, the Silver Surfer has the power cosmic, he could probably just take away Superman's powers or KO him with one hit. To date, I don't think the Silver Surfer has ever truly been hurt. Hell, the Hulk punched him at full power in one of the earlier comics & it didn't do shit to him.

Originally posted by Zebedee
Which I backed up.

I'll take that as no you can't.

Auvoir.

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No, you may take that as "I need not."

You still haven't shown a shred of evidence in your favor. I await.

Originally posted by Zebedee
I'm not saying he'd win in battle as he has some weaknesses the Surfer could exploit. I just think he has greater overall power.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
Dude, the Silver Surfer has the power cosmic, he could probably just take away Superman's powers

Given the initial post I can see comprehension skills might require work.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
I don't think the Silver Surfer has ever truly been hurt

Really, well i've seen numerous people hurt him from Truamas dad to Ganymede and of course the Black Panther.

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The Black Panther? What kind of crack are you smoking?

Everything with mass has a gravity well that warps space (at least to some degree). This is what Einstein was saying with the theory of relativity.

Oh and BTW there is only one solar system, because the word "solar" refers to the sun's official name, Sol. The rest are properly called star systems.

Silver Surfer will destroy Supes. he would knock of his head with a flick of his finger. SS would never get tagged by the likes of Doomsday. The only reason SS got beat by Black Panther is beacause he had his Power Cosmic stripped from him, and he has the fighting skills of Supes, so obviously BP would beat him up

Superman is overall more powerful than Surfer physically, while Surfer has the edge in versatility.

Two every different types of characters with their own approach to solving their problems.

I agree with the thread maker, supes is certainly more powerful then SS. If we where to combine all fo supes feats (PC supes, Supes 1m, Supes all-stars) and apply these powers to supes as a single character(or IMO the way he should be written) then he stomps over SS incredibly easily. SS would go down no matter what.

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
Silver Surfer will destroy Supes. he would knock of his head with a flick of his finger. SS would never get tagged by the likes of Doomsday. The only reason SS got beat by Black Panther is beacause he had his Power Cosmic stripped from him, and he has the fighting skills of Supes, so obviously BP would beat him up

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Everything with mass has a gravity well that warps space (at least to some degree). This is what Einstein was saying with the theory of relativity.

Oh and BTW there is only one solar system, because the word "solar" refers to the sun's official name, Sol. The rest are properly called star systems.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Avlon
Superman is overall more powerful than Surfer physically, while Surfer has the edge in versatility.

Two every different types of characters with their own approach to solving their problems.

Thank you

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I agree with the thread maker, supes is certainly more powerful then SS. If we where to combine all fo supes feats (PC supes, Supes 1m, Supes all-stars) and apply these powers to supes as a single character(or IMO the way he should be written) then he stomps over SS incredibly easily. SS would go down no matter what.

Thank you