I think Superman is more powerful than the Silver Surfer

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah...he channeled a bunch of energy through Surfer when Surfer wasn't ready, what the Hell does that prove? When Surfer recovered, the battle resumed and evidently Armaggedon couldn't do it again because their battle was inconclusive.

He told the Surfer he was lying about being made of the power cosmic then proved it by showing he only channelled it. Surfer recovered and was able to take control of how fast the power cosmic flowed through him

Originally posted by darthgoober

And the Power Cosmic is actually one of the basic building blocks of the Universe. NO ONE possess it in it's entirety, not even Galactus. But a significant portion is stored within the Silver Surfer. Taking that away for the purpose of this thread is no different than taking away the solar energy that's already stored in Supes system(effectively rendering him powerless) 😬 .

This leads on to one of the strangest things in comics. Why Galactus actually has his hunger. It's been shown numerous times other beings can feed Galactus. The Keeper could, That guy eon recruited recently as guardian of the Universe etc, etc. Now I know all about his cosmic role, but why does he get hungry when he can just tap the power cosmic?

Michael Korvac showed it was just a case of wielding the power cosmic. After reading Galactuses computers he was able to control vast amounts of PC on a far greater scale than the Surfer. He "wielded" the power cosmic. You wield a weapon or tool that is not part of you. The PC is as you say an energy source.

Superman himself doesn't so much wield Sunlight as store it's energy in the same way we store food energy as Glycogen. I don't wield a ham sandwich.

I think surfer is more powerfull

As I understand it:

Superman is powered by solar energy. Whether he channels it, stores it, whatever, without it he is superpowerless. No superstrength, no flight, no invulnerability, etc. He becomes more/less like an ordinary human.

The Surfer channels (not stores, though he can) cosmic energy. However, without it, he is still near invulnerable due to the inherent nature of the galactic glaze which covers him. He also has a base strength of 100 tons (ie, without amping via power cosmic, this is his strength level).

Thus it would appear that without their signature energies, Surfer is more powerful than Superman. The only thing I'm not sure of is, is Surfer's base strength due to a certain level of cosmic energy always within him (please don't just assume this is the case; I would appreciate evidence to this fact). Regardless, this would not affect the molecular binding energy of his silver coating (as evidenced by the fact that when Surfer is weakened or drain, he's still quite durable).

What Superman has going for him, IMO, more than anything else, is that he has the "uncanny" ability to always rise to the challenge, regardless of what power level this requires. I do realize that to some extent this is because he's DC's flagship character (closely related to the reason, "Because he's Superman. Period"😉, and for me, I can't think of any other character I would tolerate this from.

Originally posted by Mindship
As I understand it:

Superman is powered by solar energy. Whether he channels it, stores it, whatever, without it he is superpowerless. No superstrength, no flight, no invulnerability, etc. He becomes more/less like an ordinary human.

The Surfer channels (not stores, though he can) cosmic energy. However, without it, he is still near invulnerable due to the inherent nature of the galactic glaze which covers him. He also has a base strength of 100 tons (ie, without amping via power cosmic, this is his strength level).

Thus it would appear that without their signature energies, Surfer is more powerful than Superman. The only thing I'm not sure of is, is Surfer's base strength due to a certain level of cosmic energy always within him (please don't just assume this is the case; I would appreciate evidence to this fact). Regardless, this would not affect the molecular binding energy of his silver coating (as evidenced by the fact that when Surfer is weakened or drain, he's still quite durable).

What Superman has going for him, IMO, more than anything else, is that he has the "uncanny" ability to always rise to the challenge, regardless of what power level this requires. I do realize that to some extent this is because he's DC's flagship character (closely related to the reason, "Because he's Superman. Period"😉, and for me, I can't think of any other character I would tolerate this from.

On what do you base the Surfer is strong without replemishment with cosmic energy. Planet Hulk seems to indicate this is not completely true. He was growing weaker and his power would have run out.

The molecular binding of his silver coating is not really much without the power cosmic. When the Black Panter stripped him of the ability to channel the power cosmic he was beaten up in a fist fight with a barely enhanced human. Despite still having his glaze. The glaze isn't much without the power cosmic. He felt all the punches from the Panthers very human fists.

Originally posted by Zebedee
On what do you base the Surfer is strong without replemishment with cosmic energy. Planet Hulk seems to indicate this is not completely true. He was growing weaker and his power would have run out.

The molecular binding of his silver coating is not really much without the power cosmic. When the Black Panter stripped him of the ability to channel the power cosmic he was beaten up in a fist fight with a barely enhanced human. Despite still having his glaze. The glaze isn't much without the power cosmic. He felt all the punches from the Panthers very human fists.

I'm not that familiar with either story, but it seems to me there is an inherent contradiction here.

On Planet Hulk, you say Surfer was growing weaker, yet I remember seeing scans where he was very much holding his own until Hulk and another double-teamed him. Regardless, if he was growing weaker, his silver glaze was still holding up well, much better than what you're implying about his encounter with Black Panther. And regarding that, there are many here (myself included) who feel Panther manhandling Surfer was about as legit as Bruce Batkicking Captain Marvel or the Hulk.

Again, I don't profess to be well-informed on either combat scenario, but others on KMC are, and it might be worthwhile to hear what they have to say about either incident.

Originally posted by Mindship
I'm not that familiar with either story, but it seems to me there is an inherent contradiction here.

On Planet Hulk, you say Surfer was growing weaker, yet I remember seeing scans where he was very much holding his own until Hulk and another double-teamed him. Regardless, if he was growing weaker, his silver glaze was still holding up well, much better than what you're implying about his encounter with Black Panther. And regarding that, there are many here (myself included) who feel Panther manhandling Surfer was about as legit as Bruce Batkicking Captain Marvel or the Hulk.

Again, I don't profess to be well-informed on either combat scenario, but others on KMC are, and it might be worthwhile to hear what they have to say about either incident.

It might indeed the first incidence he was not getting as much PC to channel and was highly weakened. The second BP used a version Dooms device to strip him of the PC. The glaze remained but his resilience did not and BP beat him up.

Originally posted by Zebedee
I'm not saying he'd win in battle as he has some weaknesses the Surfer could exploit. I just think he has greater overall power.

Silver Surfer is faster
Silver Surfer could manipulate matter to sorrund Supes in kryptonite

Even if Surfer doesn't no about kryptonite, Supes couldn't even touch him if Surfer was trying.

Evidently Surfer has the power to put Supes into deep space where there isn't a sun within light years.

Supes will die a slow painful death.

Supes would putup an awesome fight, but he couldn't beat Surfer.

Then again maybe he could. Surfer's potential has never been expriemented with. In every comic Silver Surfer is in he's been jobbed because the power cosmic is too good.

I mean comeon, friend or not, Surfer should be able to takeout the human torch without even thinking about it.

Originally posted by Mindship
I'm not that familiar with either story, but it seems to me there is an inherent contradiction here.

On Planet Hulk, you say Surfer was growing weaker, yet I remember seeing scans where he was very much holding his own until Hulk and another double-teamed him. Regardless, if he was growing weaker, his silver glaze was still holding up well, much better than what you're implying about his encounter with Black Panther. And regarding that, there are many here (myself included) who feel Panther manhandling Surfer was about as legit as Bruce Batkicking Captain Marvel or the Hulk.

Again, I don't profess to be well-informed on either combat scenario, but others on KMC are, and it might be worthwhile to hear what they have to say about either incident.

Without the pc, surfer was nearly taken out by a poisoned cup of coffee.

He, like Superman depends on cosmic energy for his powerset to work correctly both offensively and defensively.

T-vo should work without solar energy considering it's nature.

Originally posted by Captain King
I don't think it's logical, but if it makes you happy sure, go ahead and think that.

Silver Surfer is faster
Silver Surfer could manipulate matter to sorrund Supes in kryptonite

Even if Surfer doesn't no about kryptonite, Supes couldn't even touch him if Surfer was trying.

Evidently Surfer has the power to put Supes into deep space where there isn't a sun within light years.

Supes will die a slow painful death.

Supes would putup an awesome fight, but he couldn't beat Surfer.

Then again maybe he could. Surfer's potential has never been expriemented with. In every comic Silver Surfer is in he's been jobbed because the power cosmic is too good.

I mean comeon, friend or not, Surfer should be able to takeout the human torch without even thinking about it.

Surfer is faster travelling, but both actually bend time/space to travel from place to place once approaching light speed.

However, off his board and not travelling SS is not very fast at all, while Superman is.

And yes..SS does job in most of his comics. His power set belongs more to a skyfather level character than a herald. Marvel needs a serious retcon of the character if they ever want him to be viable and interesting.

off the top of my head, superman has been said to be able to shut off stars by just blowing at them, he can hold black holes, he can move way faster than light, destroy solar systems, etc..

but what superman are u talking about?

well has the silver surfer ever flown at speeds allowing him to escape the gravitaional pull of two black holes? or has silver surfer ever held and controlled its gravitational pull in the palm of his hands? i know superman has

Originally posted by Dexter_Morgan
On what do you base the Surfer is strong without replemishment with cosmic energy. Planet Hulk seems to indicate this is not completely true. He was growing weaker and his power would have run out.

The molecular binding of his silver coating is not really much without the power cosmic. When the Black Panter stripped him of the ability to channel the power cosmic he was beaten up in a fist fight with a barely enhanced human. Despite still having his glaze. The glaze isn't much without the power cosmic. He felt all the punches from the Panthers very human fists.

Surfer was also poisoned by a cup of coffee when low on power.

Originally posted by Avlon
Surfer was also poisoned by a cup of coffee when low on power.

Yeah I say Superman wins a steady 6 or 7 wins out of 10 based on fighting history, power, durability and combat speed. How many do you believe Supes wins over Surfer - Avlon? I know you believe he wins just I forget how many would you give him out of ten? 😛

Originally posted by Avlon
Surfer is faster travelling, but both actually bend time/space to travel from place to place once approaching light speed.

However, off his board and not travelling SS is not very fast at all, while Superman is.

And yes..SS does job in most of his comics. His power set belongs more to a skyfather level character than a herald. Marvel needs a serious retcon of the character if they ever want him to be viable and interesting.

Galactus is above Skyfather level. Surfer rarely jobs. When he's weakened, like Galactus, he's weak, and it's always stated in frame.

Surfer doesn't need a retcon, and he's very viable and interesting, and he's one of the more popular non-flagship characters of the franchise. He just has a whole lot of powers. You want him retconned so that he'd be depowered, so that Superman would logically be able to kick his ass. 😛

Originally posted by shortstickman
well has the silver surfer ever flown at speeds allowing him to escape the gravitaional pull of two black holes? or has silver surfer ever held and controlled its gravitational pull in the palm of his hands? i know superman has

Originally posted by Decimus
Yeah I say Superman wins a steady 6 or 7 wins out of 10 based on fighting history, power, durability and combat speed. How many do you believe Supes wins over Surfer - Avlon? I know you believe he wins just I forget how many would you give him out of ten? 😛

I give Supes maybe 0.5/10 if Surfer is low on power.

I know you guys are Superman lovers, and I know Avvy hates Surfer, but facts are facts. Surfer pwns Superman in most cases.

Silver Surfer is kinda powerless without his silver board.

Originally posted by Faith27
Silver Surfer is kinda powerless without his silver board.

Um, no he's not. That's only the movie version.

Surfer can even recreate his board if it gets destroyed